EVE 2021: Much Abloo About Dr. Who

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Xolve: Oct 12, 2012; Well, shoot! We ain't come this far just to dump this thing in the drink. What's the nearest target opportunity?

1001 Arabian dicks posted:

1) delay local by 15-90 seconds scaled to the dbs of the system, lower the dbs the faster local appears.
2) the dbs' range is now from 100% to 250%. the most ratted in system is 100%, and the least is 250%. it's only effected by isk in bounties killed, not number of rats or how many player ships are destroyed weighted by an hourly average, daily average, and weekly average, with the first being weighted by a sixth, the middle being worth a third, and the latter worth a half in weighting.
3) undo mega rorq nerfs, disallow a rorq from dumping drones into a mobile depot, reduce PANIC time by 33.333333333333%
4) reduce skiff/procurer ehp/remove a midslot by ~25-30%, give all barges/exhumers 5% more mining yield per skill level, apply it to mining drones too .
5) revert surgical strike other than the +20% damage to short range ammo
6) fully passive moon mining for 75% of the ore value, deposited once a week after mining has begun, paused at any time a structure is reinforced (optional system)
7) all citadels and pos in pochven explode, none to ever be anchored ever again. remove any security status need for entering any system. alpha clones cannot enter pochven or wormhole space except for thera
8) lock all fwar tiers to tier 4, defending or attacking any plex provides a full payout, defending a system at 0% contested provides no payout. only players engaged in factional warfare can enter medium/small/novice plexes in factional warfare. remove all fwar mission agents and put 3 of each level in one system on the edge of the warzone, then double the payouts. also completing a mission where the destination gives u progress to capping a system. citadels in fwar space can only be anchored by corporations in the war, become low power and unfueled upon leaving the war, and can only be docked in by members of the winning faction. structures can also not be transferred to another corporation while in the warzone. only the amarr-minmatar or caldari-gallente warzone is active at at time, it rotates on a 4 month period. add some cool winning rewards or something depending on how much u contributed, would be cool
9) reduce highsec incursion payouts and lp by 25%, and increase lowsec/nullsec incursion payouts by 30%. remove the abilities for caps to enter incursion sites. reduce orca mining yield by 50% but made mining laser upgrades give 25% each but u gotta waste ur lowslots lmoa
10) the act of opening a wreck removes your warp landing immunity. if you die within 5 seconds of looting a wreck what you took is moved back into the wreck as if you never looted it
11) abyssals are removed from the game. (optional rule, they cannot be activated in highsec and they appear as warpable beacons everywhere else)
12)pi factory layouts, remove the annoyingness related to a setup working on some planets and not on others because the planet size is bigger and the connections just barely make it not work or w.e. linkable pi setups in game. sentry guns on poco that has ai that rivals posses of old,. so they mostly shoot hostiles or once in a blue moon dunk a friendly for no reason, that'd be cool
13)ess now provides (20-5%, scaling down) of whatever is in the bank (up to 1b payout) per week to whoever owns the system. keys are no longer required to rob the bank things, you just go there and start sucking after a delay
14)reduce prices of dreads to prenerf , double dd damage and cooldown, remove dread invuln damage controls
15)nothing is nullified except for shuttles, end of discussion
16) missions now give 20% bonus to rewards per sec status below 1.0, instead of 10%
17) warp disruptor sentry guns in all sites that disrupt u but die instantly once the site is complete, they point u till u clear anom or u kill it, they do not auto aggressed by drones
18) ore is no longer distributed based on high/low/null, make it so every region can supply it's own poo poo, it's a loving massive universe gently caress u ccp
19) ok schizo posting is over

20) Make autocannons not poo poo
21) Either make battleshits lock/target/engage viable at 250+ km or loving delete HACs
22) Find a reason for NPC Null to exist.

# ? Nov 30, 2021 05:03

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# ? Jun 2, 2024 17:34

Mederlock: Jun 23, 2012; You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it; Grimey Drawer

Xolve posted:

20) Make autocannons not poo poo
21) Either make battleshits lock/target/engage viable at 250+ km or loving delete HACs
22) Find a reason for NPC Null to exist.

This but Heavy Missiles. Double missile velocity and halve flight time on all ships CCPlease

# ? Nov 30, 2021 05:08

Mr. Grinch: Jul 2, 2007; They say that the Grinch's small heart grew three sizes that day.

honestly those are all great changes so of course they will never come to pass

# ? Nov 30, 2021 05:36

Dieting Hippo: Jan 5, 2006; THIS IS NOT A PROPER DIET FOR A HIPPO

1001 Arabian dicks posted:

10) the act of opening a wreck removes your warp landing immunity. if you die within 5 seconds of looting a wreck what you took is moved back into the wreck as if you never looted it

disagree on the second half because its always funny when someone loses loot from a wreck

# ? Nov 30, 2021 09:06

1001 Arabian dicks: Sep 16, 2013; EVE ONLINE IS MY ENTIRE PERSONALITY BECAUSE IM A FRIENDLESS SEMILITERATE LOSER WHO WILL PEDANTICALLY DEMAND PROOF FOR BASIC THINGS LIKE GRAVITY OR THE EXISTENCE OF SELF. ASK ME ABOUT CHEATING AT TARKOV BECAUSE, WELL, SEE ABOVE

Dieting Hippo posted:

disagree on the second half because its always funny when someone loses loot from a wreck

disagree, putting in none of the effort of killing a ship shouldn't give you equal chance to the loot, this disincentivizes active gameplay

# ? Nov 30, 2021 10:54

NtotheTC: Dec 31, 2007

Won't the "no capitals in incursions" one reduce the amount of caps to shoot? I'd have thought you wanted people out risking carriers and being juicy targets, and it doesn't seem like ratting in them is very common now

# ? Nov 30, 2021 11:21

Dik Hz: Feb 22, 2004; Fun with Science

NtotheTC posted:

Won't the "no capitals in incursions" one reduce the amount of caps to shoot? I'd have thought you wanted people out risking carriers and being juicy targets, and it doesn't seem like ratting in them is very common now

Incursions cyno jam so you can't bring hostile capitals on top of the incursion caps. The last time goons' incursion squad got ganked, they shot all the subcaps and hosed off because they couldn't break the caps.

# ? Nov 30, 2021 15:39

Jazzzzz: May 16, 2002

Mederlock posted:

There's also a Goat Simulator, 10/10 would conduct satanic rites with innocent citizens again

Goat Simulator is just Tony Hawk but instead of a skater + board you're a goat, it is cool and good (for a laugh)

# ? Nov 30, 2021 19:28

1001 Arabian dicks: Sep 16, 2013; EVE ONLINE IS MY ENTIRE PERSONALITY BECAUSE IM A FRIENDLESS SEMILITERATE LOSER WHO WILL PEDANTICALLY DEMAND PROOF FOR BASIC THINGS LIKE GRAVITY OR THE EXISTENCE OF SELF. ASK ME ABOUT CHEATING AT TARKOV BECAUSE, WELL, SEE ABOVE

NtotheTC posted:

Won't the "no capitals in incursions" one reduce the amount of caps to shoot? I'd have thought you wanted people out risking carriers and being juicy targets, and it doesn't seem like ratting in them is very common now

balancing pve to remove a tiny fraction of content is worth it sometimes

19) add in capital tier anoms in nullsec

# ? Nov 30, 2021 22:36

Potato Salad: Oct 23, 2014; nobody cares

1001 Arabian dicks posted:

1) delay local by 15-90 seconds scaled to the dbs of the system, lower the dbs the faster local appears.
2) the dbs' range is now from 100% to 250%. the most ratted in system is 100%, and the least is 250%. it's only effected by isk in bounties killed, not number of rats or how many player ships are destroyed weighted by an hourly average, daily average, and weekly average, with the first being weighted by a sixth, the middle being worth a third, and the latter worth a half in weighting.
3) undo mega rorq nerfs, disallow a rorq from dumping drones into a mobile depot, reduce PANIC time by 33.333333333333%
4) reduce skiff/procurer ehp/remove a midslot by ~25-30%, give all barges/exhumers 5% more mining yield per skill level, apply it to mining drones too .
5) revert surgical strike other than the +20% damage to short range ammo
6) fully passive moon mining for 75% of the ore value, deposited once a week after mining has begun, paused at any time a structure is reinforced (optional system)
7) all citadels and pos in pochven explode, none to ever be anchored ever again. remove any security status need for entering any system. alpha clones cannot enter pochven or wormhole space except for thera
8) lock all fwar tiers to tier 4, defending or attacking any plex provides a full payout, defending a system at 0% contested provides no payout. only players engaged in factional warfare can enter medium/small/novice plexes in factional warfare. remove all fwar mission agents and put 3 of each level in one system on the edge of the warzone, then double the payouts. also completing a mission where the destination gives u progress to capping a system. citadels in fwar space can only be anchored by corporations in the war, become low power and unfueled upon leaving the war, and can only be docked in by members of the winning faction. structures can also not be transferred to another corporation while in the warzone. only the amarr-minmatar or caldari-gallente warzone is active at at time, it rotates on a 4 month period. add some cool winning rewards or something depending on how much u contributed, would be cool
9) reduce highsec incursion payouts and lp by 25%, and increase lowsec/nullsec incursion payouts by 30%. remove the abilities for caps to enter incursion sites. reduce orca mining yield by 50% but made mining laser upgrades give 25% each but u gotta waste ur lowslots lmoa
10) the act of opening a wreck removes your warp landing immunity. if you die within 5 seconds of looting a wreck what you took is moved back into the wreck as if you never looted it
11) abyssals are removed from the game. (optional rule, they cannot be activated in highsec and they appear as warpable beacons everywhere else)
12)pi factory layouts, remove the annoyingness related to a setup working on some planets and not on others because the planet size is bigger and the connections just barely make it not work or w.e. linkable pi setups in game. sentry guns on poco that has ai that rivals posses of old,. so they mostly shoot hostiles or once in a blue moon dunk a friendly for no reason, that'd be cool
13)ess now provides (20-5%, scaling down) of whatever is in the bank (up to 1b payout) per week to whoever owns the system. keys are no longer required to rob the bank things, you just go there and start sucking after a delay
14)reduce prices of dreads to prenerf , double dd damage and cooldown, remove dread invuln damage controls
15)nothing is nullified except for shuttles, end of discussion
16) missions now give 20% bonus to rewards per sec status below 1.0, instead of 10%
17) warp disruptor sentry guns in all sites that disrupt u but die instantly once the site is complete, they point u till u clear anom or u kill it, they do not auto aggressed by drones
18) ore is no longer distributed based on high/low/null, make it so every region can supply it's own poo poo, it's a loving massive universe gently caress u ccp
19) ok schizo posting is over

.... sure, hell, gently caress yeah

a lot of stuff in here but I would absolutely detest, but I don't think it could be questioned that it would be better for the game

# ? Nov 30, 2021 22:46

Potato Salad: Oct 23, 2014; nobody cares

lol someone steal some of ccp's vm templates and hand em to this guy

Eve 2: this time designed by the guy who understands the game mechanics and balance better than the original devs

# ? Nov 30, 2021 22:48

Jazzzzz: May 16, 2002

globby's game design philosophy focuses on making it incredibly easy to gank people, and it shows up in every single one of his "here's how to fix EVE" posts

I don't disagree that PVE shouldn't be completely safe, but you gotta make it engaging and rewarding enough for people to want to do it in the first place, much less be OK with the risk of getting their dicks shot off by third parties. There's not much in that list to un-gently caress the incredibly boring PVE in this game, just a couple of minor QoL changes

# ? Nov 30, 2021 23:33

Dalmuti: Apr 8, 2007

My first wife was named Matilda Helldump

# ? Dec 1, 2021 00:14

Floppychop: Mar 30, 2012

My 3 characters' omega is lapsing tomorrow and I'm not sure I feel the urge to re-up. It feels too much like rewarding bad behavior.

I guess I can join cormorant fleets or just jump in a tackle frigate.

# ? Dec 1, 2021 01:30

Mr. Grinch: Jul 2, 2007; They say that the Grinch's small heart grew three sizes that day.

I unsubbed all my accounts this morning and listed my reason as something like "the next time you want to so much as change the loving font on the UI you should ask the CSM for permission first"

# ? Dec 1, 2021 05:22

Dieting Hippo: Jan 5, 2006; THIS IS NOT A PROPER DIET FOR A HIPPO

Mr. Grinch posted:

I unsubbed all my accounts this morning and listed my reason as something like "the next time you want to so much as change the loving font on the UI you should ask the CSM for permission first"

How can you be so cruel, they only have so many deck chairs to shuffle around! Now they'll have to make a new UI for Evemail that makes the window always pop up when you get a new message.

edit: or corpmail

# ? Dec 1, 2021 05:31

1001 Arabian dicks: Sep 16, 2013; EVE ONLINE IS MY ENTIRE PERSONALITY BECAUSE IM A FRIENDLESS SEMILITERATE LOSER WHO WILL PEDANTICALLY DEMAND PROOF FOR BASIC THINGS LIKE GRAVITY OR THE EXISTENCE OF SELF. ASK ME ABOUT CHEATING AT TARKOV BECAUSE, WELL, SEE ABOVE

Jazzzzz posted:

globby's game design philosophy focuses on making it incredibly easy to gank people, and it shows up in every single one of his "here's how to fix EVE" posts

I don't disagree that PVE shouldn't be completely safe, but you gotta make it engaging and rewarding enough for people to want to do it in the first place, much less be OK with the risk of getting their dicks shot off by third parties. There's not much in that list to un-gently caress the incredibly boring PVE in this game, just a couple of minor QoL changes

because it's impossible for a small gang to catch anything of value outside of highsec

there is nothing to do for a small group of 3-10 people that isn't hope the enemies are bored and come out to fight us

likewise increasing the profitability of nullsec is good too

1001 Arabian dicks fucked around with this message at 11:00 on Dec 1, 2021

# ? Dec 1, 2021 10:56

Dalael: Oct 14, 2014; Hello. Yep, I still think Atlantis is Bolivia, yep, I'm still a giant idiot, yep, I'm still a huge racist. Some things never change!

1001 Arabian dicks posted:

because it's impossible for a small gang to catch anything of value outside of highsec

there is nothing to do for a small group of 3-10 people that isn't hope the enemies are bored and come out to fight us

likewise increasing the profitability of nullsec is good too

imho the real problem is risk averse behavior & the fact that most pve fits are poo poo for pvp will always ensure tha ppl dock up at the whiff of a threat. that won't change regardless of how you tweak the game.

# ? Dec 1, 2021 11:35

Gwyneth Palpate: Jun 7, 2010; Do you want your breadcrumbs highlighted?

~SMcD

https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/334480/54

so about those pro-ganking changes... lol

# ? Dec 1, 2021 14:08

Otacon: Aug 13, 2002

Gwyneth Palpate posted:

https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/334480/54

so about those pro-ganking changes... lol

why do they hate players having fun in their sandbox

# ? Dec 1, 2021 14:38

LegionAreI: Nov 14, 2006; Lurk

We really want people to play our game!

No not that way!

# ? Dec 1, 2021 14:49

learnincurve: May 15, 2014; Smoosh

1001 Arabian dicks posted:

likewise increasing the profitability of nullsec is good too

Bold idea increase the number and size of asteroids in 0.0 and maybe bring back ice belts.

# ? Dec 1, 2021 15:46

evilweasel: Aug 24, 2002

in addition to being a hilariously stupid decision on the gameplay merits, it is utterly unenforceable to have it be bannable to get concorded with a certain motive but not with other motives and what ccp has just done is created a new form of combat: ganker vs counter-ganker petition wars

did you forget that you had a gcc and undocked? or did you know you had a gcc and undocked? the gm's view on your mental state determines your account's status!

# ? Dec 1, 2021 15:54

Samuel L. Hacksaw: Mar 26, 2007; Never Stop Posting

Ccp's economy problem is all because of plex.

If they just made all Plex bought in game usable only in the NES store, that would pull money out of the economy like crazy.

It'll also torpedo plex sales and pricing as people liquidate stock.

Samuel L. Hacksaw fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Dec 1, 2021

# ? Dec 1, 2021 15:58

evilweasel: Aug 24, 2002

Samuel L. Hacksaw posted:

Ccp's economy problem is all because of plex.

If they just made all Plex bought in game usable only in the NES store, that would pull money out of the economy like crazy.

ccp's economy problem is because ccp is deliberately creating economy problems

it's all of the downside of a planned economy that is run by idiots, but with the idiots thinking "i need to actively cause a recession" not just doing it by accident

# ? Dec 1, 2021 16:03

Samuel L. Hacksaw: Mar 26, 2007; Never Stop Posting

I mean, just balance faucets and sinks (do not baseline during a war dumbasses), and make plex stop injecting isk into the game by making it only tradeable if purchased from the store.

E: Yes I understand that people do stuff to generate the isk to buy plex, but it stops the same plex from being traded multiple times with each trade generating some inflation.

E: it's not a fix, but it slows inflation from plex.

# ? Dec 1, 2021 16:09

Feliday Melody: May 8, 2021

Joining Secret Santa, but I'm a bit nervous about people whose list basically looks like this:

Zungen Rich: 5 titans
Kilgarth Rich:3 titan
Merkelchen Rich: 1 titan
Heck Rich: 2 dreads
Kman Rich: (1 billion isk worth of ships or modules or other stuff)
Newbees: Nothing basically.

I can't really claim to be a newbie by Christmas, but some of these second-lowest wishes are really expensive.

There are only a handful of lists like this, so here's to hoping. I had hoped to budget around maybe 200-400 million for a Secret Santa gift.

Feliday Melody fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Dec 1, 2021

# ? Dec 1, 2021 16:27

Wibla: Feb 16, 2011

Don't worry about it :haw:

Oh also: gently caress CCP

# ? Dec 1, 2021 16:34

Otacon: Aug 13, 2002

Update From Brisc

quote:

Brisc Rubal posted on reddit

"Update:

It�s clear now that the above messaging is too vague and does not provide sufficient details or convey the intent of the policy changes. For this you have my apologies.

I would also like to apologize to the CSM who were not consulted before the above post was made. It�s fairly typical that the CSM are not consulted as a matter of course when it comes to customer support policies, but in this case it would have been beneficial to do so.

After this post was made, several CSM members were quick to raise their concerns about the impact on everyday gameplay activities that this policy change would have.

After listening to their feedback we have decided not to implement the policy update mentioned above. There will be no changes to how support are policing CONCORD interaction and that �pulling� CONCORD or defensive spawning of CONCORD is currently permitted but we reserve the right to change this at a future date."

# ? Dec 1, 2021 16:50

Mederlock: Jun 23, 2012; You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it; Grimey Drawer

Feliday Melody posted:

Joining Secret Santa, but I'm a bit nervous about people whose list basically looks like this:

Zungen Rich: 5 titans
Kilgarth Rich:3 titan
Merkelchen Rich: 1 titan
Heck Rich: 2 dreads
Kman Rich: (1 billion isk worth of ships or modules or other stuff)
Newbees: Nothing basically.

I can't really claim to be a newbie by Christmas, but some of these second-lowest wishes are really expensive.

There are only a handful of lists like this, so here's to hoping. I had hoped to budget around maybe 200-400 million for a Secret Santa gift.

Don't worry about those people with obscenely high priced items at lower tiers. They're being unrealistic, and honestly greedy with a list like that. Check their KB for losses and get them 1-2 doctrine ships in the doctrines they fly a lot, if they don't have a reasonable alternative choice instead.

# ? Dec 1, 2021 17:08

Feliday Melody: May 8, 2021

Mederlock posted:

Don't worry about those people with obscenely high priced items at lower tiers. They're being unrealistic, and honestly greedy with a list like that. Check their KB for losses and get them 1-2 doctrine ships in the doctrines they fly a lot, if they don't have a reasonable alternative choice instead.

Alright. I just don't want to deadbeat them with a bad gift.

# ? Dec 1, 2021 17:15

TheWeedNumber: Apr 20, 2020; by sebmojo

Gwyneth Palpate posted:

https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pulling-concord-is-now-a-permaban-offense/334480/54

so about those pro-ganking changes... lol

hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahaha

# ? Dec 1, 2021 17:25

TheWeedNumber: Apr 20, 2020; by sebmojo

Otacon posted:

Update From Brisc

lol

# ? Dec 1, 2021 17:26

Dieting Hippo: Jan 5, 2006; THIS IS NOT A PROPER DIET FOR A HIPPO

Otacon posted:

Update From Brisc

Jesus, that was a 4 hour turnaround time on this really lovely policy change.

# ? Dec 1, 2021 17:27

Baron of Bad News: Aug 4, 2009

Otacon posted:

Update From Brisc

Brisc Rubal posted on reddit posted:

https://old.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/r6ecek/gm_arcades_official_response_to_the_matter_of/hmt2gx7/

"Update:

It�s clear now that the above messaging is too vague and does not provide sufficient details or convey the intent of the policy changes. For this you have my apologies.

I would also like to apologize to the CSM who were not consulted before the above post was made. It�s fairly typical that the CSM are not consulted as a matter of course when it comes to customer support policies, but in this case it would have been beneficial to do so.

After this post was made, several CSM members were quick to raise their concerns about the impact on everyday gameplay activities that this policy change would have.

After listening to their feedback we have decided not to implement the policy update mentioned above. There will be no changes to how support are policing CONCORD interaction and that �pulling� CONCORD or defensive spawning of CONCORD is currently permitted but we reserve the right to change this at a future date."

I can't wrap my head around how incompetent CCP are with their own loving game.

# ? Dec 1, 2021 17:28

BIG HEADLINE: Jun 13, 2006; "Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Feliday Melody posted:

Alright. I just don't want to deadbeat them with a bad gift.

All you - ideally - have to do is put some thought into it. You're not a deadbeat so long as you deliver by the deadline.

Hell, the deadbeated santees usually make out like bandits from people who redress the balance.

BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Dec 1, 2021

# ? Dec 1, 2021 17:36

Feliday Melody: May 8, 2021

BIG HEADLINE posted:

All you - ideally - have to do is put some thought into it. You're not a deadbeat so long as you deliver by the deadline.

Hell, the deadbeated santees usually make out like bandits from people who redress the balance.

That sounds great. Thanks.

# ? Dec 1, 2021 17:42

Mr. Grinch: Jul 2, 2007; They say that the Grinch's small heart grew three sizes that day.

Mr. Grinch posted:

"the next time you want to so much as change the loving font on the UI you should ask the CSM for permission first"

drat they should have listened to me

# ? Dec 1, 2021 17:46

The Hambulance: Apr 19, 2011; ASK ME ABOUT MY AWESOME STARTUP IDEA; Pillbug

BIG HEADLINE posted:

All you - ideally - have to do is put some thought into it. You're not a deadbeat so long as you deliver by the deadline.

Best Secret Santa gift I ever got was a doctrine ship left floating in a friendly POS that was passworded. We had to destroy the POS to get it out. And my santa had stronted it so we got to shoot it twice :v:

# ? Dec 1, 2021 17:49

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# ? Jun 2, 2024 17:34

BIG HEADLINE: Jun 13, 2006; "Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Feliday Melody posted:

That sounds great. Thanks.

No problem. Don't stress about it.

Anyone who views the Secret Santa program as a way to get paid is really missing the point.

# ? Dec 1, 2021 17:51

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