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So, can someone explain to an ignorant Canadian why there are so many people in the UK who seem positively giddy at the prospect of Clarkson getting canned? I get why the Argentinians are pissed off at him, I get why the Mexicans are pissed at him, etc., but I can't figure out why people in the UK seem to dislike him so much. Is there a Canadian equivalent? I can't think of anyone, outside of actual politicians, who's so divisive.
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Sir Tonk posted:Well, yeah, they do. please don't mock my article
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Mar 11, 2015 19:46
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Zeether posted:Chris Barrie should replace Clarkson, because he's a petrolhead and played a shouty guy on Red Dwarf. And he was on that Petrolheads game show with Hammond. PT6A posted:So, can someone explain to an ignorant Canadian why there are so many people in the UK who seem positively giddy at the prospect of Clarkson getting canned? I get why the Argentinians are pissed off at him, I get why the Mexicans are pissed at him, etc., but I can't figure out why people in the UK seem to dislike him so much.
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Mar 11, 2015 19:54
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PT6A posted:So, can someone explain to an ignorant Canadian why there are so many people in the UK who seem positively giddy at the prospect of Clarkson getting canned? I get why the Argentinians are pissed off at him, I get why the Mexicans are pissed at him, etc., but I can't figure out why people in the UK seem to dislike him so much. I'm not an expert, but it seems like it's the same type of people that would do it in any country. The only difference is the BBC is run by the government so those people think they have a right to say Top Gear should be exactly what they want it to be. They act like Top Gear is an informative show to help consumers decide what the best car is but it has somehow been taken over by three bumbling idiots. They don't realize it's the most popular show in the world because of the three bumbling idiots.
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Mar 11, 2015 19:54
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Cojawfee posted:it's the most popular show... in the world... because of the three bumbling idiots.
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Mar 11, 2015 19:58
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InitialDave posted:Barrie has done a few shows himself on cars anyway. Though he's probably closer to May than Clarkson.
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Mar 11, 2015 19:59
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I dunno I think Hammond's been less terrible this season 
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Mar 11, 2015 20:07
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OK, as you like, Chris Evans as mentioned before. Barrie, Harris, Evans. e: I just realised, the 3X show, all Chris' Fo3 fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Mar 11, 2015 |
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Mar 11, 2015 20:14
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PT6A posted:
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Mar 11, 2015 20:30
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howe_sam posted:Don Cherry? Haha, you're probably right! I like him too, although I think he's going senile.
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Mar 11, 2015 20:33
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howe_sam posted:Don Cherry? hahahahaahhaha he's about as ridiculous looking, too. How about Don Cherry replace Clarkson? I'd be pretty alright with that, even if he can't drive well or doesn't know anything about cars. Reading his history is about as entertaining as Clarkson's. According to Wikipedia, "In 1989, he referred to Finnish-born Winnipeg Jets Assistant Coach Alpo Suhonen as "some kind of dog food""
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Mar 11, 2015 20:34
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PT6A posted:So, can someone explain to an ignorant Canadian why there are so many people in the UK who seem positively giddy at the prospect of Clarkson getting canned? I get why the Argentinians are pissed off at him, I get why the Mexicans are pissed at him, etc., but I can't figure out why people in the UK seem to dislike him so much. Because there are epeople who read articles like this: quote:Top Gear, being so far behind the curve, would only be able to catch up if it undertook a radical rethink of its value system. I suggest an eco-feminist approach. In the first place, they need to incorporate the obvious concerns of the entire industry, to produce cars that get you places without needless waste. It’s not wholemeal and boring. What does an intelligent species do, faced with a problem? It finds daring answers. It doesn’t plough into a ditch and laugh. and believe that it is a valid viewpoint.
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Mar 11, 2015 20:37
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Does Don Cherry still have the tape delay so the CBC can cut him off if he says something offensive?spog posted:Because there are epeople who read articles like this: So, is that like a mental disease or what?
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Mar 11, 2015 20:39
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If you want a car fan who's good at playing a big boorish oaf, why not Phillip Glenister? They wouldn't even need to change the wardrobe.
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Mar 11, 2015 20:39
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PT6A posted:Does Don Cherry still have the tape delay so the CBC can cut him off if he says something offensive? I have a couple of eco-mentalist friends who once got raised-voices angry with me because I bought a V8 "for fun". There is a large subset of the British public who would love to ban driving cars for any reason other than somber necessity, and they latch like limpets onto anything bad that Clarkson does because he's their nemesis.
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Mar 11, 2015 21:05
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PT6A posted:So, can someone explain to an ignorant Canadian why there are so many people in the UK who seem positively giddy at the prospect of Clarkson getting canned? I get why the Argentinians are pissed off at him, I get why the Mexicans are pissed at him, etc., but I can't figure out why people in the UK seem to dislike him so much. Stu can explain. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgABbHPdwH4
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Mar 11, 2015 21:17
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:I have a couple of eco-mentalist friends who once got raised-voices angry with me because I bought a V8 "for fun". There is a large subset of the British public who would love to ban driving cars for any reason other than somber necessity, and they latch like limpets onto anything bad that Clarkson does because he's their nemesis. What the gently caress is wrong with people like that? I'm especially sensitive to criticisms like that with my car (and my love of driving it in a non-economical fashion), since it's usually coming from people who commute, and do almost everything else, by car. I've put around 24,000 kms on it since I bought in in 2010; so what if it's not the most eco-friendly choice?
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Mar 11, 2015 21:19
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PT6A posted:So, can someone explain to an ignorant Canadian why there are so many people in the UK who seem positively giddy at the prospect of Clarkson getting canned? I get why the Argentinians are pissed off at him, I get why the Mexicans are pissed at him, etc., but I can't figure out why people in the UK seem to dislike him so much. The left don't like Top Gear because they have no sense of irony and think Clarkson is serious with all the bullshit he spouts. The right wing press and tabloids hate him because he should be one of theirs but has been propping up the BBC with the piles of cash Top Gear make. So the Daily Heil/Mirror/Sun/Torygraph hates him because they hate the BBC and the Independent/Guardian hate him because he likes cars and powerrrhhhhhhhhh
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Mar 11, 2015 21:24
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:If you want a car fan who's good at playing a big boorish oaf, why not Phillip Glenister? They wouldn't even need to change the wardrobe. They should go full hog and pretend the show is in the 1980s. Fire up the Quattro!
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Mar 11, 2015 21:56
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I'm a left leaning person but this whole witchhunting culture the past few years where "if you say x, y or z you're a racist" has gotten out of control. 90% of the "hate" for Clarkson was because he made a couple of jokes that didn't sit well with some people and instead of turning the TV off they've turned it into some sort of controversy in a lovely lame attempt to get him off the air. These people are so bothered by a loving bad joke that they're trying to get him off the air. And I'd be fine with this if that was the only effect. But its actually hurting the fight against racism more then its helping. The real racists aren't making jokes they're actually discriminating against minorities, and instead of going after these people we're too busy word policing everyone.
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Mar 11, 2015 21:58
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PT6A posted:What the gently caress is wrong with people like that? I'm especially sensitive to criticisms like that with my car (and my love of driving it in a non-economical fashion), since it's usually coming from people who commute, and do almost everything else, by car. I've put around 24,000 kms on it since I bought in in 2010; so what if it's not the most eco-friendly choice? Britain doesn't have the respect for personal freedom that America does, so its a lot more acceptable to poo poo on other peoples hobbies, especially when you can make yourself look good by doing it.
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Mar 11, 2015 21:58
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:Its typical contrarian you-don't-like-what-I-like bullshit with a twist of self righteousness because they're "doing their bit" while motorists are choking the forests/raising the oceans/crushing tiny babies under our unfeeling wheels. I love cars and motorcycles, but I also love tiny babies! What do I do?!
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Mar 11, 2015 22:06
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The Guardian is now up to six articles and/or opinion pieces on Jeremy Clarkson in the last 24 hours. Apparently he is now literally Nigel Farage.
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Mar 11, 2015 22:16
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Almost all of Clarkson's scandals are scandals because the tabloids wants them to be. He took all the flak for the "slope-incident", even though Richard Hammond was standing right next to him, taking part. The joke, tasteless as it might have been, was obviously a team effort. And the mumbled racism, where he went out of his way to mumble the offensive word to the point where you can't actually tell it's there, because it isn't (though I can see how it's implied presence could offend some people). Or on the One Show, where he was obviously taking the piss. It kind of rich though, watching the same BBC that for years employed and protected a bunch of paedos get all bent out of shape over Clarkson doing what he's always done, all while hurting no one.
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Mar 11, 2015 22:20
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Scherloch posted:It kind of rich though, watching the same BBC that for years employed and protected a bunch of paedos get all bent out of shape over Clarkson doing what he's always done, all while hurting no one. Other than the producer who got punched 
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Mar 11, 2015 22:23
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Dread Head posted:Other than the producer who got punched Haha, well, apart from him then obviously.
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Mar 11, 2015 22:27
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Scherloch posted:Almost all of Clarkson's scandals are scandals because the tabloids wants them to be. He took all the flak for the "slope-incident", even though Richard Hammond was standing right next to him, taking part. The joke, tasteless as it might have been, was obviously a team effort. And the mumbled racism, where he went out of his way to mumble the offensive word to the point where you can't actually tell it's there, because it isn't (though I can see how it's implied presence could offend some people). Or on the One Show, where he was obviously taking the piss. The slope incident was loving ridiculous, because the bridge was sloped to one side, and I'm firmly convinced that no one but the most committed racist would know that "slope" is a derogatory term for Asian people, because I didn't manage to find a single person who knew that or had ever used it before that incident happened. Frankly, the comment about Mexicans was far more offensive, and even that was obviously not meant to be serious.
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Mar 11, 2015 22:29
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PT6A posted:The slope incident was loving ridiculous, because the bridge was sloped to one side, and I'm firmly convinced that no one but the most committed racist would know that "slope" is a derogatory term for Asian people, because I didn't manage to find a single person who knew that or had ever used it before that incident happened. Frankly, the comment about Mexicans was far more offensive, and even that was obviously not meant to be serious. Its a very well known insult against asians in Australia tho, but other than that? And we're so loving closet racist it would have made more people laugh than get insulted anyway- we're the country who just had our Prime Minister tell the indigenous population that living on their land and living their culture was a "Lifestyle choice" afterall.
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Mar 11, 2015 22:37
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Clarkson is a very clever man and knew precisely what the word meant, but its a dad joke at worst and certainly not the world-ending scandal it was made out to be. Jimmy Carr has said far worse and the sky didn't fall, but then he hasn't got a cabal of swivel-eyed lunatics dedicating their lives to his downfall.
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Mar 11, 2015 22:46
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PT6A posted:The slope incident was loving ridiculous, because the bridge was sloped to one side, and I'm firmly convinced that no one but the most committed racist would know that "slope" is a derogatory term for Asian people, because I didn't manage to find a single person who knew that or had ever used it before that incident happened. Frankly, the comment about Mexicans was far more offensive, and even that was obviously not meant to be serious. In one of the post argentina debacle interviews andy wilmen says that he suggested they say that after watching some old war movies, and it was his fault because he didn't research the term enough to know how bad it was.
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Mar 11, 2015 22:47
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Ferremit posted:Its a very well known insult against asians in Australia tho, but other than that? And we're so loving closet racist it would have made more people laugh than get insulted anyway- we're the country who just had our Prime Minister tell the indigenous population that living on their land and living their culture was a "Lifestyle choice" afterall. australian_politics.jpg 
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Mar 11, 2015 22:49
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Ika posted:In one of the post argentina debacle interviews andy wilmen says that he suggested they say that after watching some old war movies, and it was his fault because he didn't research the term enough to know how bad it was. As a Brit, I can say that I have never heard it used as a derogatory term for Asian - and I am pretty sure that you'd be hard put to find it used in any literature, media or news articles in the UK prior to this event. Which is pretty bloody obvious: does anyone think that they would seriously use a word that they knew to be as offensive as 'chink' or 'friend of the family' in a light entertainment programme destined to be shown around the world?
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Mar 11, 2015 22:56
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In American war movies we have no idea which Asian country they are defending liberty from until we hear a soldier call the Asians a derogatory name. Slope or gook? Oh this is in Vietnam!
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Mar 11, 2015 23:06
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spog posted:As a Brit, I can say that I have never heard it used as a derogatory term for Asian - and I am pretty sure that you'd be hard put to find it used in any literature, media or news articles in the UK prior to this event. (Also as a Brit) I've heard it, but no-one uses it. It's not a term that exists here. As for the whole "friend of the family" thing in the outtake video, he didn't actually say it, and it was never broadcast, so i don't see the problem. If he straight up said "digger" no-one would care as it's not offensive, so i'm not sure why there's an uproar over it. If he said "friend of the family" at the pub with his mates and no-one around, it wouldn't matter, so why does it matter what's said on an outtake? People just want to get offended over minor bullshit, for the sake of being offended.
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Mar 11, 2015 23:11
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Maybe the producer hit himself and lied about it so the SJWs could have their final victory over top gear.
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Mar 11, 2015 23:12
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:I have a couple of eco-mentalist friends who once got raised-voices angry with me because I bought a V8 "for fun". There is a large subset of the British public who would love to ban driving cars for any reason other than somber necessity, and they latch like limpets onto anything bad that Clarkson does because he's their nemesis. Whilst I normally hate to stereotype, in my experience these types of people are almost always Londoners with little or no experience outside of London and think that everywhere else is a congested smog filled hell hole that you don't actually need a car to get by in. These are often the same people who parrot about dropping the motorway speed limit to 50mph for safety reasons (despite motorways being the safest roads in the country) and have often never driven on a motorway, or indeed never driven at all.
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Mar 11, 2015 23:28
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and then there was that time he said striking workers should be shot in front of their families
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Mar 11, 2015 23:40
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Ludicro posted:Whilst I normally hate to stereotype, in my experience these types of people are almost always Londoners with little or no experience outside of London and think that everywhere else is a congested smog filled hell hole that you don't actually need a car to get by in. These are often the same people who parrot about dropping the motorway speed limit to 50mph for safety reasons (despite motorways being the safest roads in the country) and have often never driven on a motorway, or indeed never driven at all. They're almost always Prius owners or people who solely use public transport. Get me out of this oval office-infested hell hole.
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I have to ask why his comments weren't edited out in the first place. It's not like the show is broadcast live. SOMEBODY at the BBC should have the authority to fix poo poo like this.
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