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Hot Dog Day #91
Jun 19, 2003

my wife is currently out with my son while I play HotS?

Then again I'm still mostly immobile from the knee surgery.

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Phil Moscowitz
Feb 19, 2007

If blood be the price of admiralty,
Lord God, we ha' paid in full!

Hot Dog Day #91 posted:

my wife is currently out with my son while I play HotS?

Then again I'm still mostly immobile from the knee surgery.

Cherish these special moments. They're what having kids are all about.

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin
I'm pretty excited for when I can force my kid to do all the yard work

Beefeater1980
Sep 12, 2008

My God, it's full of Horatios!






Congrats on kids! When our second one arrived it finally gave me the push I needed to get out of the profession.

Toona the Cat
Jun 9, 2004

The Greatest
Having joint custody with someone who is an excellent co-parent and awesome mom is really the best of both worlds.

Roger_Mudd
Jul 18, 2003

Buglord

Toona the Cat posted:

Having joint custody with someone who is an excellent co-parent and awesome mom is really the best of both worlds.

Nah, you should use your kid as a weapon to "get back at her". Also deny doing this and get really mad at your attorney when he suggests you stop.

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

Toona the Cat posted:

Having joint custody with someone who is an excellent co-parent and awesome mom is really the best of both worlds.

You have a kid?

Hot Dog Day #91
Jun 19, 2003

TheMadMilkman posted:

You have a kid?

I believe the canon is that he has multiple kids with his first wife and has just divorced his second.

Jean-Paul Shartre
Jan 16, 2015

this sentence no verb


Hot Dog Day #91 posted:

I believe the canon is that he has multiple kids with his first wife and has just divorced his second.

So there's "canon Toona" and "EU Toona" now?

nutri_void
Apr 18, 2015

I shall devour your soul.
Grimey Drawer
A court ruling was published 2 hours ago (midnight)
An appeal must be ready by Monday
I love my job

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

Hot Dog Day #91 posted:

I believe the canon is that he has multiple kids with his first wife and has just divorced his second.

Ah. I'm only caught up on the second wife saga.

joat mon
Oct 15, 2009

I am the master of my lamp;
I am the captain of my tub.

Nonexistence posted:

How does one not gently caress up having kids these days anyway with both parents in the office?

Decide to make a commitment to raising your kids well and make do with a single income.

Toona the Cat
Jun 9, 2004

The Greatest

Hot Dog Day #91 posted:

I believe the canon is that he has multiple kids with his first wife and has just divorced his second.

Only one kid.

blarzgh
Apr 14, 2009

SNITCHIN' RANDY
Grimey Drawer
In the Toona EU, he has a second kid with his poly study partner, and that kid restores the Jedi order.

Hot Dog Day #91
Jun 19, 2003

Toona the Cat posted:

Only one kid.

A hasty retcon from the author. In the first edition Toona you can clearly see two children in the family photos. The second child appeared briefly in a flashback car trip where Toona first ponders law school/using his mortgage to pay loans.

blarzgh
Apr 14, 2009

SNITCHIN' RANDY
Grimey Drawer
As Toounior places his hand on the ancient law school application scroll, that once belonged to his father, a series of visions washes over him. He sees light, darkness, feels a great disturbance in the force. From somewhere in the emptiness, he hears a voice... "Right back at you, too..."

algebra testes
Mar 5, 2011


Lipstick Apathy

JohnCompany posted:

So there's "canon Toona" and "EU Toona" now?

blarzgh posted:

In the Toona EU, he has a second kid with his poly study partner, and that kid restores the Jedi order.


:allears:

Hot Dog Day #91
Jun 19, 2003

Whoever said toona would provide the threads dramatic arc for three years was so loving right.

Hot Dog Day #91
Jun 19, 2003

Oh and I think as a final update on my knee - I did wind up with an infection in one of the incisions related to stitches that didn't dissolve. I'm almost out of opiates at this point; I only take one after a particularly rough physical therapy session or if I've been on up too long.

I got a super rad temporary handicap parking permit too. My kid has been pretty good about not hitting my bad leg, and my wife has really shouldered the parenting/household load the last 5 weeks.

Anyway thanks for your support, thread. Especially blarzgh (you know why :wink: ).

Lote
Aug 5, 2001

Place your bets
You guys are shipping more Toona than a Japanese fisherman.

Also, I recently got engaged to my girlfriend. Her dad is a partner in a large midlaw firm. I need some good law dad jokes to continue to impress him.

blarzgh
Apr 14, 2009

SNITCHIN' RANDY
Grimey Drawer

Glad your leg didn't fall off!

Hot Dog Day #91
Jun 19, 2003

Lote posted:

You guys are shipping more Toona than a Japanese fisherman.

Also, I recently got engaged to my girlfriend. Her dad is a partner in a large midlaw firm. I need some good law dad jokes to continue to impress him.

"What do you call two lawyers in the same cab?

A couple of lawyers in a cab!"

G-Mawwwwwww
Jan 31, 2003

My LPth are Hot Garbage
Biscuit Hider

Lote posted:

You guys are shipping more Toona than a Japanese fisherman.

Also, I recently got engaged to my girlfriend. Her dad is a partner in a large midlaw firm. I need some good law dad jokes to continue to impress him.

Holy poo poo congrats dude! Did you ever live out your lifelong dream?

HiddenReplaced
Apr 21, 2007

Yeah...
it's wanking time.

Lote posted:

You guys are shipping more Toona than a Japanese fisherman.

Well done here.

Lote
Aug 5, 2001

Place your bets

CaptainScraps posted:

Holy poo poo congrats dude! Did you ever live out your lifelong dream?

You mean marry someone that will make more money than me and become a stay at home husband?

Check.

Beefeater1980
Sep 12, 2008

My God, it's full of Horatios!






Hot Dog Day #91 posted:

"What do you call two lawyers in the same cab?

A couple of lawyers in a cab!"

Just drop some lines about living your life in six minute increments.

Hot Dog Day #91
Jun 19, 2003

Beefeater1980 posted:

Just drop some lines about living your life in six minute increments.

Hey now, anything worth doing for 6 minutes is worth doing for thirty.

Flutieflakes017
Feb 16, 2012

only if you've been in the deepest valley can you ever know how magnificent it is to be on the highest mountain
Well, I haven't passed the bar yet but the company directory says I'm a lawyer-- so there's that. Spent a half day in the office yesterday so I can collect my signing bonus and have something to live off of this summer. My boss made it sound like they're going to pay me to study for the bar this summer. Pretty stoked if true.

SlyFrog
May 16, 2007

What? One name? Who are you, Seal?
I ain't passed the bar, but I know a little bit.

Nice piece of fish
Jan 29, 2008

Ultra Carp

Flutieflakes017 posted:

Well, I haven't passed the bar yet but the company directory says I'm a lawyer-- so there's that. Spent a half day in the office yesterday so I can collect my signing bonus and have something to live off of this summer. My boss made it sound like they're going to pay me to study for the bar this summer. Pretty stoked if true.

Is that allowed? Is there some apprenticeship function that allows you to present yourself as a lawyer before formal requirements are met? In my country you can face some serious consequences pretending to be an actual attourney before you're officially licensed.

Beefeater1980 posted:

Just drop some lines about living your life in six minute increments.

Don't get it. Is this an hours joke?

EwokEntourage
Jun 10, 2008

BREYER: Actually, Antonin, you got it backwards. See, a power bottom is actually generating all the dissents by doing most of the work.

SCALIA: Stephen, I've heard that speed has something to do with it.

BREYER: Speed has everything to do with it.

Nice piece of fish posted:



Don't get it. Is this an hours joke?

Do you not bill your hours?

Nice piece of fish
Jan 29, 2008

Ultra Carp

EwokEntourage posted:

Do you not bill your hours?

Yeah, but in like, minimum 0,16 hour increments for basically everything that's less than half or a full hour. You have to write by the minute?! Most of everything like e-mails and most phone convos are 0,25. At the very least.

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

IF I EVER MISS VOTING IN AN ELECTION (EVEN AMERICAN IDOL) ,OR HAVE UNPAID PARKING TICKETS, PLEASE TAKE AWAY MY FRANCHISE

Nice piece of fish posted:

Yeah, but in like, minimum 0,16 hour increments for basically everything that's less than half or a full hour. You have to write by the minute?! Most of everything like e-mails and most phone convos are 0,25. At the very least.

US standard for Biglaw is 0.1 (0,1 to you) increments, or yes, 6 minutes. Many clients will accept 0.25 increments, however, and many more clients I suspect receive bills that have been adjusted from 0.25 increments to 0.1 increments.

EwokEntourage
Jun 10, 2008

BREYER: Actually, Antonin, you got it backwards. See, a power bottom is actually generating all the dissents by doing most of the work.

SCALIA: Stephen, I've heard that speed has something to do with it.

BREYER: Speed has everything to do with it.

Nice piece of fish posted:

Yeah, but in like, minimum 0,16 hour increments for basically everything that's less than half or a full hour. You have to write by the minute?! Most of everything like e-mails and most phone convos are 0,25. At the very least.

Forgot you were one of those kooky foreigners

Nice piece of fish
Jan 29, 2008

Ultra Carp

ulmont posted:

US standard for Biglaw is 0.1 (0,1 to you) increments, or yes, 6 minutes. Many clients will accept 0.25 increments, however, and many more clients I suspect receive bills that have been adjusted from 0.25 increments to 0.1 increments.

Well poo poo. If it wasn't for the fact that I effectively charge probably less than half the US average adjusted for living costs and taxes (etc.), I'd say you were getting ripped off. Or maybe it's just a much more accurate billing practice? Who am I to judge, I'm terrible at billing.

EwokEntourage posted:

Forgot you were one of those kooky foreigners

Yeah I'm pretty kooky.

Nice piece of fish
Jan 29, 2008

Ultra Carp

Phil Moscowitz posted:

Nice piece of fish, here is a choice of law question in real time!

Oh, and by the way, I just got asked to consult on a choice of law issue, and I was curious as to your take on it:

Consumer bought a house kit (effectively a factory makes a house, ships it and builds it on your plot) through a domestic national agency. Producer is in Finland. The plot of land is domestic, and the deal's been negotiated purely through the domestic agency, which also handles contractor stuff associated with the build. However, the contract for delivery of the house kit is with the finnish company directly, and finnish law allows for - and this is a part of the agreement - that any disputes between the contracting parties must be handled in Finland according to finnish contract law.

What's your gut say about that one?

If you're interested, this is the Lugano convention which both countries have ratified and incorporated into national law http://ec.europa.eu/world/agreements/prepareCreateTreatiesWorkspace/treatiesGeneralData.do?redirect=true&treatyId=7481

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

IF I EVER MISS VOTING IN AN ELECTION (EVEN AMERICAN IDOL) ,OR HAVE UNPAID PARKING TICKETS, PLEASE TAKE AWAY MY FRANCHISE

Nice piece of fish posted:

Consumer bought a house kit (effectively a factory makes a house, ships it and builds it on your plot) through a domestic national agency. Producer is in Finland. The plot of land is domestic, and the deal's been negotiated purely through the domestic agency, which also handles contractor stuff associated with the build.

So far, everything's domestic.

Nice piece of fish posted:

However, the contract for delivery of the house kit is with the finnish company directly, and finnish law allows for - and this is a part of the agreement - that any disputes between the contracting parties must be handled in Finland according to finnish contract law.

What's your gut say about that one?

But this should win. Typically for the US this would win unless contrary to public policy (i.e., court in Finland would be unreasonable and unjust for some reason).

Nice piece of fish posted:

If you're interested, this is the Lugano convention which both countries have ratified and incorporated into national law http://ec.europa.eu/world/agreements/prepareCreateTreatiesWorkspace/treatiesGeneralData.do?redirect=true&treatyId=7481

Looks like Article 23 would get to the same place?

Nice piece of fish
Jan 29, 2008

Ultra Carp

ulmont posted:

So far, everything's domestic.


But this should win. Typically for the US this would win unless contrary to public policy (i.e., court in Finland would be unreasonable and unjust for some reason).


Looks like Article 23 would get to the same place?

Well, I don't want to spoil anything yet, but I certainly understand your logic. Seems obvious, right? There's actually also an underlying issue here of incorporative effects of treaties and conventions, the principle of presumptive harmony and preeminence of law (lex specialis and lex superior), but I'm not going to get into that. I'll come back to it later.

nutri_void
Apr 18, 2015

I shall devour your soul.
Grimey Drawer

Nice piece of fish posted:

Oh, and by the way, I just got asked to consult on a choice of law issue, and I was curious as to your take on it:

Consumer bought a house kit (effectively a factory makes a house, ships it and builds it on your plot) through a domestic national agency. Producer is in Finland. The plot of land is domestic, and the deal's been negotiated purely through the domestic agency, which also handles contractor stuff associated with the build. However, the contract for delivery of the house kit is with the finnish company directly, and finnish law allows for - and this is a part of the agreement - that any disputes between the contracting parties must be handled in Finland according to finnish contract law.

What's your gut say about that one?

If you're interested, this is the Lugano convention which both countries have ratified and incorporated into national law http://ec.europa.eu/world/agreements/prepareCreateTreatiesWorkspace/treatiesGeneralData.do?redirect=true&treatyId=7481

Wait, is this a choice of law or a forum selection question?

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Flutieflakes017
Feb 16, 2012

only if you've been in the deepest valley can you ever know how magnificent it is to be on the highest mountain

SlyFrog posted:

I ain't passed the bar, but I know a little bit.

Yeah, that's what I thought as I wrote that sentence.

Nice piece of fish posted:

Is that allowed? Is there some apprenticeship function that allows you to present yourself as a lawyer before formal requirements are met? In my country you can face some serious consequences pretending to be an actual attourney before you're officially licensed.


Well, I'm sure this is going to lead to me getting lit up by half the regular posters on the thread who have done actual lawyering, but here we go:

Texas, like all US States, prohibits the "practice of law" without a license and that typically includes holding yourself out to be a lawyer in marketing materials or on a business card etc. More knowledgable goons who have worked in firms can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe JD's who are awaiting admission to the bar in a firm setting typically get around this by providing a disclaimer that they have not been licensed yet in communications with clients and by only doing the kind of work a law clerk would do.

In my case, regarding my job title in the internal company directory, I think the assumption my employer is making is that assigning the same job title as other attornies in the legal department does not qualify as the practice of law because it's not holding me out as an attorney outside the company. This also seems consistent with the rules regulating information about legal services in Texas, which do not seem to be applicable to an internal directory and instead focus on the solicitation of clients.

TLDR; no harm in my sole client internally referring to me as "counsel" since there is no solicitation of employment going on as long as I do not start actual lawyering.

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