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Keyser_Soze posted:Turbo cars are amazing at real altitude, you feel no loss at all. I start to notice some difference around like 9k feet, but yeah, turbos and altitude go together very well.
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Oct 30, 2019 18:02
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a bunch of new engines are moving to dual mode injection so you don't really have to worry about intake cleaning as much
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Oct 30, 2019 18:26
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:a bunch of new engines are moving to dual mode injection so you don't really have to worry about intake cleaning as much Yeah, but they're also being wired so hot, whoever is tracking these things will know if you're not wearing your seatelt. And by that, i mean the ECU's are encrypted, and lock everything down if you don't have the tail-light module plugged in. 20 year old computer junk is going to suck.
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Oct 30, 2019 18:29
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:a bunch of new engines are moving to dual mode injection so you don't really have to worry about intake cleaning as much Yeah I get that and it's great it's happening but what about all the cars in between? Your basic used car buyer isn't going to know squat about that and get hosed in the long run when their supposed fuel efficient car isn't so efficient anymore. I should buy stock in walnuts 
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Oct 30, 2019 19:08
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Previa_fun posted:I'm a huge Mazda fanboy/apologist but tbh Mazda just makes cars for automotive journalists to wank off to anymore. What can I say, I just bought a Mazda3 hatch to commute in and it’s great. By just about every measure that matters to me it is comparable to my current-gen Mercedes C300
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Oct 30, 2019 20:44
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:a bunch of new engines are moving to dual mode injection so you don't really have to worry about intake cleaning as much Case in point, the new v6 Tacoma, which is based on proven Lexus engines from the past 4+ years.
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Oct 30, 2019 21:36
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stevobob posted:Case in point, the new v6 Tacoma, which is based on proven Lexus engines from the past 4+ years. This marks the first time I've heard a Tacoma referenced as having anything 'new'. I thought the tundra, sequoia, tacoma, and 4runner are all dinosaurs comparatively speaking.
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Oct 30, 2019 22:01
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BloodBag posted:This marks the first time I've heard a Tacoma referenced as having anything 'new'. I thought the tundra, sequoia, tacoma, and 4runner are all dinosaurs comparatively speaking. If dinos were unkillable, sure.
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BloodBag posted:In my experience, the EB is slower than the 5.0 in the real world. Most people must run regular instead of premium in theirs because in both online reviews and in real life, my 5.0 is faster from a stop. In addition the 5.0 gets better fuel economy while towing as well as better reliability. The EB has problems with the turbos failing, the studs failing, and the throttle bodies failing. This is my third ford and they all have idiotic problems from the factory, I'm not sure I'd trust ford to do a turbo setup that's reliable and long-lasting. The only failure I've seen on a 5.0 is the timing chain eating through the cover at 200k miles, something even the 22R does. I gotta admit, I ran plus unleaded (89) for the first half-tank because I wasn't sure if it took anything less. After looking over the owners manual for a bit, I ran regular for the rest of the time. I didn't know the EB had so many issues, but it seems no one knows how to build a reliable turbo motor. Even Honda had issues with their first turbo'd engines, AFAIK.
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Oct 31, 2019 01:48
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LeeMajors posted:If dinos were unkillable, sure. Dinosaurs are actually still around and highly successful in their niche so I guess calling them dinosaurs still works?
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Oct 31, 2019 02:03
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BloodBag posted:This marks the first time I've heard a Tacoma referenced as having anything 'new'. I thought the tundra, sequoia, tacoma, and 4runner are all dinosaurs comparatively speaking. The 2016+ Tacoma is entirely new everything. I think maybe the manual transmission is a holdover?
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Balliver Shagnasty posted:I didn't know the EB had so many issues, but it seems no one knows how to build a reliable turbo motor. Even Honda had issues with their first turbo'd engines, AFAIK. idk if these issues were that serious they'd be much more well-known since the EcoBoosts are the volume engine in America's best-selling vehicle Turbos are fine, direction injection is fine, but combining these two into a small 4-cylinder is where the issues start popping up. Off the top of my head: Honda, GM, Hyundai, VW, Ford have all had issues rolling out a new 2-litre turbo motor. That's not to say the issues can be worked out; IIRC the sunroof is far more of a problem point than the engine in the Mk7 GTI
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Godzilla07 posted:idk if these issues were that serious they'd be much more well-known since the EcoBoosts are the volume engine in America's best-selling vehicle No there are dozens of clearly documented cases from online ecoboost forums where toot is explode and studs fail and they definitely definitely weren’t running a tune at all no SIR!
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Oct 31, 2019 06:01
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 Fiat-Chrysler merging with PSA confirmed https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50246329 I don't really see this leading to any new cars I like but that's pretty big deal regardless.
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Oct 31, 2019 08:58
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Somebody start writing the jokes.
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The combined reliability of Chrysler, Fiat and Peugeot... If I were an ASE certified mechanic I'd be window shopping Bentleys right now.
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Oct 31, 2019 09:32
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Considering Opel/Vauxhall was bought by PSA, that covers all the manufacturers I most associate with rental cars in Europe. At least they can reduce competition between each others for fleet sales.
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There's still Škoda. Speaking of which, apparently VAG management wanted to bring the brand downmarket to compete with Dacia and they, obviously suffering from delusion of grandeur, got pretty mad about it. Although to be fair, I'm not seeing as many Dacias around as you'd expect giving the price level, so there's probably not a huge untapped market for crappy new cars.
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Oct 31, 2019 12:31
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the problem with the Dacia end of the market is that you're competing primarily with used vehicles in established auto markets and since cars are very reliable and last a long time now, there's not really a compelling reason to buy a Logan over say a three or five year old Fiesta/Corsa/Polo/208. The PSA-FCA merger makes a ton of sense. FCA gets better access to new platforms and tech. PSA gets access to the US market with an established dealer channel.
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Keyser_Soze posted:Turbo cars are amazing at real altitude, you feel no loss at all. Their unreliability is also exaggerated, I think.
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Frond posted:Their unreliability is also exaggerated, I think. people got PTSD from Saabs and the like
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Dinosaurs are actually still around and highly successful in their niche so I guess calling them dinosaurs still works? Touché. It even refined the metaphor. Haha. LeeMajors fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Oct 31, 2019 |
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Frond posted:Their unreliability is also exaggerated, I think. Early turbos were pretty bad in a lot of ways and gave them a bad reputation. They were often just strapped onto an engine for "free horsepower" without much further consideration. Modern turbo engines have been designed with turbocharging in mind and work much better. Turbos themselves are better and more reliable, engine blocks and heads are beefier where it matters, and there are better electronic controls over all of it.
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Godzilla07 posted:idk if these issues were that serious they'd be much more well-known since the EcoBoosts are the volume engine in America's best-selling vehicle To be fair Hyundai/Kia's non turbo I4's also die to the same manufacturing flaw at similar rates. Their unreliability has little to do with being force fed.
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Frond posted:Their unreliability is also exaggerated, I think. Tell that to Honda, there's going to be a lot of poo poo motors out there the more miles that are put on them.
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When people say "early turbos" what years are we talking about here
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Oct 31, 2019 16:23
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KakerMix posted:When people say "early turbos" what years are we talking about here I assume early 1980s, back when epic boost also came with equally epic levels of lag. The boost in my dearly departed 760 Turbo came on in a distinctly ON/OFF fashion, whereas today's turbo'ed mills are much smoother and get better gas mileage, to boot.
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Ford has made millions, probably tens of millions of EcoBoost engines. Does anyone have actual hard data on their failure rate? Properly taken care of, I'd expect them to run to 150K without any major issues. My SHO has 71K miles on it and runs like a champ. It's dealer serviced every 5K though. Yeah there's going to be engines with issues, but is there any sort of data showing a bad batch, or a very common failure once it hits certain mileage? We're not talking Subaru Head gasket or Nissan QR25DE pre cat detonation levels of failure here. (Shoutout to the Sentra Spec-V I had when I was younger)
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This merger is bothering me, I can't figure out what's in it for FCA. PSA gets an EV partner to foot the bill for them and access to the US market with a broad, established dealer network. What exactly does FCA get? Plus, you just know Dodge and Chrysler are going to pay the price for Ram/Jeep having to wet nurse all these worthless European brands.
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KakerMix posted:When people say "early turbos" what years are we talking about here Late 1970s, probably. Early Turbo cars were pretty raw.
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Q_res posted:This merger is bothering me, I can't figure out what's in it for FCA. PSA gets an EV partner to foot the bill for them and access to the US market with a broad, established dealer network. What exactly does FCA get? Plus, you just know Dodge and Chrysler are going to pay the price for Ram/Jeep having to wet nurse all these worthless European brands. new platform architecture, most of FCA's poo poo is really old. new platform architecture gives the ability to meet upcoming emissions requirements without sinking nine figures in to platform R&D and also the ability to actually make new FIAT product. keep in mind that the Renegade/Cherokee are quite successful but require platform replacement soon. plus better hybrid / ev tech.
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The most important part of the merger is that it sets the stage for the PT Cruiser's rebirth.
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Tekne posted:The most important part of the merger is that it sets the stage for the PT Cruiser's rebirth. I’m fine with this as long as they bring back the dodge magnum too. Can they cram a hellcat motor in the new 508 wagon?
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Q_res posted:This merger is bothering me, I can't figure out what's in it for FCA. PSA gets an EV partner to foot the bill for them and access to the US market with a broad, established dealer network. What exactly does FCA get? Plus, you just know Dodge and Chrysler are going to pay the price for Ram/Jeep having to wet nurse all these worthless European brands. Access to modern architectures, an EV platform that exists. They’re not bringing all the PSA cars to the US anymore than they’re going to start selling giant Ram trucks in Europe.
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drgitlin posted:Access to modern architectures, an EV platform that exists. They’re not bringing all the PSA cars to the US anymore than they’re going to start selling giant Ram trucks in Europe.
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KakerMix posted:When people say "early turbos" what years are we talking about here My 03 WRX? edit: was not reliable.
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drgitlin posted:Access to modern architectures, an EV platform that exists. They’re not bringing all the PSA cars to the US anymore than they’re going to start selling giant Ram trucks in Europe. they're definitely still planning to launch Peugeot brand in the US, though
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mobby_6kl posted:There's still Škoda. I still don't get how the VW, Skoda and Seat brands are supposed to be positioned - especially with their crossovers which are all so similar in price and size.
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VW - high tech, high feature brand Skoda - entry-level, lower cost, smaller engines, less features SEAT - sporty it's kind of gotten hosed up because every brand is run independently so they all step on each other's toes to a degree, but this is still fairly deliniated. If you want a MQB SUV, you decide if you want the normal one (VW), the budget one (Skoda), or you have pretensions of sportiness (SEAT).
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