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Rabid Snake posted:I wonder how much power these chips are going to be using and how much heat is generated 45W most likely.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:These numbers do not help me feel less annoyed about buying this laptop! To be fair that’s probably a 95W+ chip going into a Mac Mini or something like that.
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1060 Max-Q is like, 60-80W TDP configurable, the i7-7700HQ is another 35-45 configurable, so long as AMD + Intel beats a combined Intel + Nvidia 95W-125W mark, they're in good straits, and I think it's all on AMD to do the cutting anyhow.
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Missed that it has a full i7-7700HQ on it but 6GB of GDDR5 is around 30W by itself so total should be quite a bit lower.
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Google Butt posted:Is the 1070ti for $450 a better value than the 1080 at $500? Seeing as you can snag 1080s nowadays at ~$480, not really.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Seeing as you can snag 1080s nowadays at ~$480, not really. Where are you seeing a 1080 at $480? I'll buy that poo poo right now.
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Arzachel posted:Missed that it has a full i7-7700HQ on it but 6GB of GDDR5 is around 30W by itself so total should be quite a bit lower. Oh, the AMD + Intel parts? They're being called i7-8705G and i7-8809G, not 7700HQ, that's what *I* have on my laptop.
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Nov 13, 2017 02:09
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How much is this going to tank AMD APU sales, say you all?
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:How much is this going to tank AMD APU sales, say you all? Not at all? They are at different price points.
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Urthor posted:Not at all? They are at different price points.
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:I hope not. I know a few friends were interested in the most powerful gaming APU and will be going Intel now instead. This is a small, weird niche that Intel found out wasn't really worth servicing after trying with the GT4 graphics parts like desktop broadwell and skull canyon.
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:I hope not. I know a few friends were interested in the most powerful gaming APU and will be going Intel now instead. That is a weird-rear end thing to be interested in.
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Urthor posted:Not at all? They are at different price points.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:That is a weird-rear end thing to be interested in. I think if those chips go into NUC's then they'll finally be viable as gaming boxes. It's nice to be able to game without having to put together a box that looks like a rice rocket Honda and a shipping crate had a baby.
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Google Butt posted:Where are you seeing a 1080 at $480? I'll buy that poo poo right now. They've been that low within the last few weeks. Keep an eye on the BuildAPCSales subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/search?q=GPU&sort=new&restrict_sr=on&feature=legacy_search BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 09:53 on Nov 13, 2017 |
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ProjektorBoy posted:I think if those chips go into NUC's then they'll finally be viable as gaming boxes.
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Ihmemies posted:3840x1600 is good enough, you can run it on 2560x1600 for 16:10 if needed. Scaling still works so poorly I don't want to buy a higher dpi monitor than 10 years ago. get a mac™ eames posted:To be fair that’s probably a 95W+ chip going into a Mac Mini or something like that. this would be so great, although it would require apple giving a single solitary poo poo about the mac mini. that being said some of their recent moves do suggest a tacit acknowledgement that their past 'strategy' of 'making everything really underpowered for no reason' is dumb as hell so who knows, maybe in aa couple of years there might be desktop macs worth buying that aren't imacs Generic Monk fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Nov 13, 2017 |
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ProjektorBoy posted:I think if those chips go into NUC's then they'll finally be viable as gaming boxes. It's nice to be able to game without having to put together a box that looks like a rice rocket Honda and a shipping crate had a baby. Well the Gigabyte Brix has cooled it with their styling to be just taller Nuc boxes, and with an Intel/AMD APU in it, would be one hell of a tiny Gaming/SteamBox for sure finally. The Brix is a hell of a tiny powerhouse too. I snagged one from someone on Facebook Market selling one with a i5-4570R 256G EVO, and 16GB Ram for $250. Wasn't going to pass that up. Now its my Plex Server to take care of all the encoding. I wonder if APU's increase in performance enough to eat into the Nvidia/AMD MOBA market GPU's, will that cause them to compete on price/performance better, or just make Nvidia focus on the high end or leave and go compute primarily next? Will be interesting to say the least now that APU's are about to do what I and many of us here have been saying for drat near 10 years now.
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EdEddnEddy posted:Well the Gigabyte Brix has cooled it with their styling to be just taller Nuc boxes, and with an Intel/AMD APU in it, would be one hell of a tiny Gaming/SteamBox for sure finally. loving hell is there such a thing as moba market gpus? almost as bad as bitcoin market gpus imo
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Streamer PCs could be a thing rather than companies cramming a bunch of poo poo and graphics cards that aren't even needed in the first place except for GPU accelerating when watching videos.
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Generic Monk posted:loving hell is there such a thing as moba market gpus? almost as bad as bitcoin market gpus imo People want to play mobas on cheap machines so companies market their low end toward that market. It makes sense.
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Generic Monk posted:loving hell is there such a thing as moba market gpus? almost as bad as bitcoin market gpus imo In many parts of the world people are still paying cafes to play these games. And while Source 2 helped a lot just three years ago it wasn’t uncommon for people in economically challenged parts of the world to pass on Dota for League because of the lower requirements from it’s shittier graphics.
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MOBA Market is literally what the 1050/1050Ti was made for. From LoL to Rocket League the 1050/Ti is perfect for that niche. Now if an APU can beat that, that makes that market a little trickier.
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I don't know about beating it, but esports games and APUs are going to be made with each other in mind. Keep in mind with the two big moba games you're talking about trying to make it as accessible as soccer or something. The games are deliberately kept free of complicated tech (again, one thing Dota benefited from after it's engine change in 2015 was better performance on lower end hardware). Likewise, they're what APUs are often looked at as a target player. When you're in the working class of nations with crushing poverty, you don't want to have to buy any GPU card, whether it's a 1050 or whatever. At least until this shakeup, GT1030 and RX550 were the "better than the built in graphics" option you're talking about. 1050/ti was for people with pre-built Dells or whatever, who have no power clips who wanted to run AAA games entirely on slot power. Not at ultra detail obviously, but at least it runs. This market will get more interesting eventually, not just because built-in graphics are going to become a lot more competitive with Intel+AMD, but also because one of the interesting things we've gleamed from small peeks at Volta is that it might actually be able to do a lot with just the power from the slot.
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Generic Monk posted:loving hell is there such a thing as moba market gpus? almost as bad as bitcoin market gpus imo As long as there have been netcafes or lancenters, my friend, there have been moba-market GPUs. GPUs just barely powerful enough to run WC3FC for Dota Allstars, or CS1.6, so that the lancenter operator can pack as many goddamn computers into a stiflingly hot room with the lights out, and both front and back doors open.
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Yeah when I was in South Korea a few years back they had internet cafes every 2 blocks, it was definitely more than there were coffee shops in US cities. That's a lot of GPUs...
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That's not to say they don't exist in America, but in my experience, they only still continue to exist in places where the demographics supports it. I *think* this means "largely Asian or SEA", but I'm not sure anymore, because a lot of the ones I knew about back when I lived in San Jose have closed down, with something called "gamer lounges" having sprung up to fill in the gap. Sports bars but with esports instead of real sports, basically. quote:To meet our customers’ requirements and new timelines for global deployments of exascale, we are modifying our portfolio investment approach and accelerating technologies on the Intel high-performance computing roadmap. Intel has demonstrated the ability to enable efficient, multi-workload high-performance computing at scale across many different applications – and we’re excited about the technologies we’ll bring to bear to further democratize massive scale computing. One step we’re taking is to replace one of the future Intel® Xeon Phi™ processors (code name Knights Hill) with a new platform and new microarchitecture specifically designed for exascale. Combined with our comprehensive HPC solutions portfolio spanning compute, storage, I/O, and software, the updated roadmap is well poised to energize the exascale revolution. TL;DR: Raja's hard at work already, we're killing Knights Hill. https://itpeernetwork.intel.com/unleashing-high-performance-computing/ SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Nov 14, 2017 |
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Lan cafes are still really popular SEA, but probably less popular than 5~10 years ago in the richer cities. I know that in Taipei and Kuala Lumpur they are still fairly easy to find, but in Hong Kong, for example, they almost don't exist anymore when 5~10 years ago you'd find one within 15 minutes of another. I was last in Hanoi a few months ago, and I recall seeing enough that I made a mental note of it. The last time I had traveled to Vietnam was over 12 years ago and back then, there was only internet cafes for email and web browsing, no gaming to speak of. There will be a pretty huge market for MOBA-class GPUs in less-well-developed SEA cities simply due to lan cafes alone, nevermind people who can afford their own computers, but only barely. Shrimp or Shrimps fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Nov 14, 2017 |
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Surprise Giraffe posted:What are 1060 6gb minis like compared to full fat? Not as big a difference as you'd think. You might not be able to squeeze as much of an overclock out of them, but at stock to modest OC numbers, there *might* be a 4-5C difference between the single-fanned minis and the dual/triple-fanned SKUs with larger HSFs. 1060s don't run that hot. The main difference might end up being that the models with the 2-3 fans and larger heatsinks might be able to run longer at idle without the fans moving at all.
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A little louder/hotter of course, but by all reports I read it's manageable on a stock 1060. The main thing is, any overclocking means manually cranking the fan beyond the 'ok' stage.
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Ive installed a bunch of the 1060 evga single fan cards and cant say any of them are really audible. edit: guessing vega isn't very efficient 
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It'll be interesting to see what happens when DOTA/League/CS:GO are totally eclipsed by more-demanding stuff like PUBG. I anticipate the 1150ti will be targeted to running PUBG comfortably on medium / 60fps.
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I'm sorry, I think you typoed. Surely you meant the 1180ti. (har har PUBG optimization joke har har)
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haha yeah possibly! The nearby pc gaming esports lounge has 1060s and PUBG is good enough on 'em, so it's not a huge leap to think that the 1150 would be similar performance, really.
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well why not posted:It'll be interesting to see what happens when DOTA/League/CS:GO are totally eclipsed by more-demanding stuff like PUBG. I anticipate the 1150ti will be targeted to running PUBG comfortably on medium / 60fps. By the time DOTA/League/CS:GO are eclipsed we'll all be using Intel dedicated GPUs thanks to Raja.
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PUBG has peaked higher playercount than CS:GO, which is pretty insane. They'll both be big for awhile, particularly if PUBG get their poo poo together w/r/t performance. Dota/League probably aren't going anywhere for a very long time.
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