Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
Mo_Steel
Mar 7, 2008

Let's Clock Into The Sunset Together

Fun Shoe

Scenario 2: 1970 - Mark wins. He gives Johnny a concussion that goes un-diagnosed, and 6 hours later Johnny dies in his bed. Mark is sent to prison for manslaughter when the autopsy reveals what happened.

Probably best to let boys be boys though right?

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

quote:

1. The rich are literally addicted to capital gains.

2. The rich have sufficient income that almost all their marginal utility is easily satisfied.

3. The middle class climb the corporate ladder, the rich own the ladder. lol, don't even have to change that one. It's pretty Marxist :D

4. The rich are sociopaths and don't associate with anyone unless they stand to gain from it

5. The rich exist outside of the wage system.

6. The rich exist for the cycle of profit from capital, remaining outside of commodification.

7. The rich know that saving is a trap, but employ fiscal multipliers that benefit only themselves.

8. The rich know that their money is there to make more money, via the labor of others.

9. The rich tilt the playing field.

10. The rich cheat and use their existing advantage and hierarchy.

Ratoslov
Feb 15, 2012

Now prepare yourselves! You're the guests of honor at the Greatest Kung Fu Cannibal BBQ Ever!


:argh:

IF YELLING AT PEOPLE

CURED MENTAL ILLNESSES

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'D DO

AND NOT THIS ROUNDABOUT

loving WITH A BILLION PILLS

AND A TRILLION HOURS OF THERAPY BULLSHIT.

:commissar:

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Ratoslov posted:

:argh:

IF YELLING AT PEOPLE

CURED MENTAL ILLNESSES

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'D DO

AND NOT THIS ROUNDABOUT

loving WITH A BILLION PILLS

AND A TRILLION HOURS OF THERAPY BULLSHIT.

:commissar:

But something something big pharma

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012


I got in a fight with a kid from HS because some dipshit was making comments about my family. This is in the year 2006.

I got an in school suspension (standard policy), and the principal threatened the kid with an even larger suspension if he as much even attempted to talk to me again.

This meme reminds me though, of this creepy dude they put me with when I worked at Kohl's for a total of 3 days. He was a recently retired principal/former football coach, and I was stuck folding clothes with the guy. He actually BRAGGED about how he enjoyed hitting children, and had the ability to use physical discipline "Those were the days" was one of the phrases he used.. (I quit that job because of him, among other things).

The amazing part is? Every person who I've spoken to who is my father's age (Boomer) and younger don't support the use of that type of punishment. (this included registered republicans). They also looked on in horror when I described this person.

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Absurd Alhazred posted:

So you're saying Nationwide's Superbowl ad was ill-advised?

What? I don't even know what that ad even is. I Just think that strawman blue guys were in the right for beating up red guy, which lets be honest is probably something the people who would echo that call deserve

Chimera-gui
Mar 20, 2014

ZenVulgarity posted:

I'd understand the "religious right" if they were overwhelmingly anti abortion while also being for things like the ACA and other social projects

I know every time I bring that up the only thing that gets brought up is fictional system abuse cases with no meaningful statistics to back it up

Even if there are advises and they're in the minority it still doesn't seem to fly

Sound like a bunch of whiny children to me

My relative was also ranting about that very thing, they even said that if a high school girl got pregnant she should be cared for by her parents.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Inspector Hound posted:

The gun thing is kind of just weird (I went to school in a gun friendly area to say the least and every time a gun ended up at the school it was a big deal), but the others have an element of truth. Zero tolerance policies against fighting can get the victim of a straight up assault in trouble, and Ritalin is famously overprescribed.

vvv that on the other hand is making my loving eye twitch vvv

Schools don't prescribe Ritalin and thus including it in a list of reasons those human being communists are destroying Americas schools is stupid bullshit that they're only including because what is mental illness those kids just need a whupping

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO
Jack is a stupid piece of poo poo who left an unsecured weapon in plain view in his car.

GUILLOTINE.

Coffee And Pie
Nov 4, 2010

"Blah-sum"?
More like "Blawesome"
High school starts at ungodly early times, what teenager is able to function, let alone go quail hunting before school?

ErIog
Jul 11, 2001

:nsacloud:

Coffee And Pie posted:

High school starts at ungodly early times, what teenager is able to function, let alone go quail hunting before school?

It's code the square rear end principal doesn't understand. They're going out to the woods to smoke dope and have sex before school. That's the only thing teenagers are gonna get up early for. I'm sure dalereed can learn you a thing or two about this.

Zeitgueist
Aug 8, 2003

by Ralp
Man I remember back in the 1970's, when flocks of quail were a common site at inner city schools.

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin

Guavanaut posted:

quote:
1. The rich are literally addicted to capital gains.

2. The rich have sufficient income that almost all their marginal utility is easily satisfied.

3. The middle class climb the corporate ladder, the rich own the ladder. lol, don't even have to change that one. It's pretty Marxist

4. The rich are sociopaths and don't associate with anyone unless they stand to gain from it

5. The rich exist outside of the wage system.

6. The rich exist for the cycle of profit from capital, remaining outside of commodification.

7. The rich know that saving is a trap, but employ fiscal multipliers that benefit only themselves.

8. The rich know that their money is there to make more money, via the labor of others.

9. The rich tilt the playing field.

10. The rich cheat and use their existing advantage and hierarchy.

Good job!

I was going to try to do this myself but I thought, better read the newest page of the thread first.

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story

A similar situation to number one actually did happen at my school, but not quite the same way. This was back in I think '94, a friend of mine had his car break down so he borrowed his dad's truck to go to school. The school was having a random contraband search that day though, and my friend didn't realize his dad had left his hunting shotgun in the truck. The cops found the shotgun and the school was going to expel him, but his dad stepped in and explained the situation, and a few people from his church stood up for him, and basically he just got a "Don't make this mistake again" type warning.

I find it pretty hard to believe that if this same thing happened today, that it would resemble what this image says in any way.

Mister Bates
Aug 4, 2010

Coffee And Pie posted:

High school starts at ungodly early times, what teenager is able to function, let alone go quail hunting before school?

Speaking from experience, it's the kind of teenager who will drop out of high school in junior year to go work on pappy's farm or pursue a career in professional rodeo (two groups which collectively accounted for about 2/3 of my high school class, which is why almost none of the people I started out going to school with show up in my senior class photo).

Rick_Hunter
Jan 5, 2004

My guys are still fighting the hard fight!
(weapons, shields and drones are still online!)

Twelve by Pies posted:

A similar situation to number one actually did happen at my school, but not quite the same way. This was back in I think '94, a friend of mine had his car break down so he borrowed his dad's truck to go to school. The school was having a random contraband search that day though, and my friend didn't realize his dad had left his hunting shotgun in the truck. The cops found the shotgun and the school was going to expel him, but his dad stepped in and explained the situation, and a few people from his church stood up for him, and basically he just got a "Don't make this mistake again" type warning.

I find it pretty hard to believe that if this same thing happened today, that it would resemble what this image says in any way.

In today's 'Zero Tolerance' age, they would expel you just to make sure. Never mind the fact that you're pretty much damning a student to a subpar education because now they got expelled and they'll probably resent the institution for the rest of their life.

I remember something from my high school but I heard about it second hand where a student in our speech class gave a demonstration about proper gun maintenance. Of course all of the proper precautions were taken: gun had to be escorted by a parent, in a case, etc. Back in the late 90s you could actually get a school to allow a firearm on campus. This wasn't any podunk high school either, it was a private, middle class high school. Today, well...I wouldn't expect it at any school.

AShamefulDisplay
Jun 30, 2013
Is the 'beat the poo poo out of each other, become friends' meme a thing that even happens? Whenever I got into a fight during high school we just hated each other until after graduating.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

AShamefulDisplay posted:

Is the 'beat the poo poo out of each other, become friends' meme a thing that even happens? Whenever I got into a fight during high school we just hated each other until after graduating.

I've been in abusive friendships and relationships. :shrug:

ErIog
Jul 11, 2001

:nsacloud:

AShamefulDisplay posted:

Is the 'beat the poo poo out of each other, become friends' meme a thing that even happens? Whenever I got into a fight during high school we just hated each other until after graduating.

One of my best bro's is a dude who was a hardcore bully the first 2 years we knew each other starting from the first grade. He would stomp the poo poo out of my feet constantly. Then he stopped being so lovely in like the 3rd grade, and we've been buds like ever since then. It happens, but I think it depends on what age. It's probably a lot harder for that to happen in high school.

ErIog fucked around with this message at 05:11 on Feb 4, 2015

Rick_Hunter
Jan 5, 2004

My guys are still fighting the hard fight!
(weapons, shields and drones are still online!)

ErIog posted:

One of my best bro's is a dude who was a hardcore bully the first 2 years we knew each other starting from the first grade. He would stomp the poo poo out of my feet constantly. Then he stopped being so lovely in like the 3rd grade, and we've been buds like ever since then. It happens, but I think it depends on what age. It's probably a lot harder for that to happen in high school.

Yeah, not every fight in high school is like Rocky 1 and 2.

Birb Katter
Sep 18, 2010

BOATS STOPPED
CARBON TAX AXED
TURNBULL AS PM
LIBERALS WILL BE RE-ELECTED IN A LANDSLIDE

ErIog posted:

One of my best bro's is a dude who was a hardcore bully the first 2 years we knew each other starting from the first grade. He would stomp the poo poo out of my feet constantly. Then he stopped being so lovely in like the 3rd grade, and we've been buds like ever since then. It happens, but I think it depends on what age. It's probably a lot harder for that to happen in high school.

One of the nicest people I've met out of High School was a guy who stabbed 36 people with a compass (no one was really hurt though, just gabbed in the arm with what is not much more than a pencil). He was expelled for this, ended up in gaol. After a couple of years away he came out the nicest bloke you could hope to meet. In a grade of 250 people I can't think of person I'd rather talk to now.

This is obviously going to be the exception that proves the rule but it does happen.

Pixelated Dragon
Jan 22, 2007

Do you remember how we used to breathe and watch it
and feel such power and feel such joy, to be ice dragons and be so free. -Noe Venable


All three examples are presented with two extremes. I don't think the image is intended to be taken too seriously.

AShamefulDisplay posted:

Is the 'beat the poo poo out of each other, become friends' meme a thing that even happens? Whenever I got into a fight during high school we just hated each other until after graduating.

My husband's got into a fist fight with someone in second grade and then they were BFFs through high school. They kind of grew apart after graduation, but that's besides the point.

Ratoslov posted:

:argh:

IF YELLING AT PEOPLE

CURED MENTAL ILLNESSES

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'D DO

AND NOT THIS ROUNDABOUT

loving WITH A BILLION PILLS

AND A TRILLION HOURS OF THERAPY BULLSHIT.

:commissar:

Not sitting still in class indicates mental illness?

Pixelated Dragon fucked around with this message at 14:43 on Feb 4, 2015

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.

Zeitgueist posted:

Man I remember back in the 1970's, when flocks of quail were a common site at inner city schools.

Back when I was a boy, children were all white country boys; now they're all urban hip hop listeners.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

Pre-1970.

Strudel Man
May 19, 2003
ROME DID NOT HAVE ROBOTS, FUCKWIT
What about it?

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin
Get ready to see this all over the place:

Some San Francisco bookstore is announcing that they're going out of business because of the new wage laws.
https://ricochet.com/sf-raises-minimum-wage-zero/

Just FYI, if you do the math, it shows that they're paying their employees ALL minimum wage and that payroll is 50% of their business expenses.

For reference, 50% is typical for the healthcare industry where you're employing an army of highly skilled professionals.
Retail is typically around 18%

TheKennedys
Sep 23, 2006

By my hand, I will take you from this godforsaken internet
On the subject of "TAXIN ME BECAUSE I WON'T USE FASCIST NAZI OBAMACARE", I did my taxes yesterday and the no-insurance penalty ended up waived. My husband had no insurance for the entire year (work didn't offer it) and I only had pregnancy Medicaid, which ended in September, but the kids were on Medicaid so maybe that bumped it up to "covered for X% of the year". I dunno. I guess the point is if you live in a lovely red state with no Medicaid expansion or care too much about your FREEDUMZ to use Obamacare, have kids, they qualify for Medicaid/CHIP automatically and will get the penalty waived if they're on it. :hellyeah:

ProperGanderPusher
Jan 13, 2012




Dr. Arbitrary posted:

Get ready to see this all over the place:

Some San Francisco bookstore is announcing that they're going out of business because of the new wage laws.
https://ricochet.com/sf-raises-minimum-wage-zero/

Just FYI, if you do the math, it shows that they're paying their employees ALL minimum wage and that payroll is 50% of their business expenses.

For reference, 50% is typical for the healthcare industry where you're employing an army of highly skilled professionals.
Retail is typically around 18%

Easy enough to counter: It's a bitch to keep bookstores in business these days, much less genre bookstores. I would wager Amazon is more to blame for their demise than their ungrateful workers who want enough money to afford any kind of housing at all in San Francisco. The fact that healthcare ate up that much of their budget must mean that their profit margins were razor thin and ultimately unsustainable.

mr. mephistopheles
Dec 2, 2009

ProperGanderPusher posted:

Easy enough to counter: It's a bitch to keep bookstores in business these days, much less genre bookstores. I would wager Amazon is more to blame for their demise than their ungrateful workers who want enough money to afford any kind of housing at all in San Francisco. The fact that healthcare ate up that much of their budget must mean that their profit margins were razor thin and ultimately unsustainable.

Did you read the article? It has nothing to do with healthcare.

Also it sounds like they have way too many employees. I've known a few independent niche book stores and they were all the owner and like maybe one other person working so they could have a day off without closing the store.

It sounds like they were hosed anyway and this just makes an easy justification for closing.

E: Also that article is loving insufferable. "Hurr hurr the TRUE minimum wage is zero." You can practically hear the author sucking his own dick as you read it.

mr. mephistopheles fucked around with this message at 08:54 on Feb 4, 2015

ErIog
Jul 11, 2001

:nsacloud:

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

Some San Francisco bookstore is announcing that they're going out of business because of the new wage laws.
https://ricochet.com/sf-raises-minimum-wage-zero/

It's great when these things are self-debunking.

quote:

The specialty shop had survived the dot-com boom and bust, the rise of Amazon and e-books...

quote:

But books are a special case because the price is set by the publisher and printed on the book. Furthermore, for years part of the challenge for brick-and-mortar bookstores is that companies like Amazon.com have made it difficult to get people to pay retail prices.

Gee, seems like they're having trouble competing with the rise of Amazon and e-books, and have not actually survived it.

Also, the timing on this also debunks it.

quote:

In November, San Francisco voters overwhelmingly passed a measure that will increase the minimum wage within the city to $15 per hour by 2018.

quote:

Consequently we will be closing our doors no later than March 31st [2015].

Yeah, that impending minimum wage increase 3 years from now sure is driving a nail into their coffin. I'll give them brownie points for not only looking at quarterly profits, but projecting 12 quarters out seems like a bit much.

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin

mr. mephistopheles posted:

Did you read the article? It has nothing to do with healthcare.

Also it sounds like they have way too many employees. I've known a few independent niche book stores and they were all the owner and like maybe one other person working so they could have a day off without closing the store.

It sounds like they were hosed anyway and this just makes an easy justification for closing.

E: Also that article is loving insufferable. "Hurr hurr the TRUE minimum wage is zero." You can practically hear the author sucking his own dick as you read it.
He probably meant payroll when he said healthcare.


I just read the blog post from the owner.
http://borderlands-books.blogspot.com/2015/02/borderlands-books-to-close-in-march.html

This sound like just a way to get some more business, the guy has a cafe next door. I'm guessing that the bookstore brings in a huge chunk of his customers.

mr. mephistopheles
Dec 2, 2009

ErIog posted:

Yeah, that impending minimum wage increase 3 years from now sure is driving a nail into their coffin. I'll give them brownie points for not only looking at quarterly profits, but projecting 12 quarters out seems like a bit much.

Hahaha holy poo poo, I didn't catch that bit. How much more obvious could it be that they were going out of business anyway and this is just a convenient excuse.

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

This sound like just a way to get some more business, the guy has a cafe next door. I'm guessing that the bookstore brings in a huge chunk of his customers.

I'm guessing the cafe next door is the only reason the bookstore didn't go out of business five years ago.

Xand_Man
Mar 2, 2004

If what you say is true
Wutang might be dangerous


I stopped by there a couple years back when visiting some friends. I remember being surprised they were still in business. Their shelves were super bare and the staff didn't seem very knowledgeable about what stock they had. I got the impression they were a cafe that occasionally sold books.

ErIog
Jul 11, 2001

:nsacloud:
Yeah, it's another case of people who are not very good at business deciding it can't be their fault that their pet project isn't profitable anymore. In a lot of ways it's not the fault of local bookstores that Amazon hosed their business like Wal-Mart hosed local mom and pop specialty stores. However, there comes a point where the writing is on the wall for a business model not being viable anymore, and as a person who runs a business you have to change up or pack up. For bookstores, that writing was on the wall literally years ago. You don't get to blame a change in the minimum wage 3 years from now for you standing by while your business model imploded 3 years earlier.

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

-=SEND HELP=-


Pillbug

ErIog posted:

Yeah, it's another case of people who are not very good at business deciding it can't be their fault that their pet project isn't profitable anymore. In a lot of ways it's not the fault of local bookstores that Amazon hosed their business like Wal-Mart hosed local mom and pop specialty stores. However, there comes a point where the writing is on the wall for a business model not being viable anymore, and as a person who runs a business you have to change up or pack up. For bookstores, that writing was on the wall literally years ago. You don't get to blame a change in the minimum wage 3 years from now for you standing by while your business model imploded 3 years earlier.

Never underestimate the ability of people to be loving idiots especially when their paychecks are at stake. Aside from the fact that people tend to resist change in the first place whenever you hear stories like this it's the type of person who absolutely will not adapt. There is a certain level of entitlement as well; as in, I made this business and it exists and was successful, I should just have people hand me money forever. It doesn't matter if the writing is on the wall; they won't read it. Then when the business inevitably fails they find somebody else to blame because gently caress you I worked hard to make this business and I work hard to make it work.

I'd be working hard if I went out and dug a 90' x 90' x 30' hole by hand using nothing but a masonry trowel but that doesn't mean I deserve to be showered in cash and accolades for it.

ErIog
Jul 11, 2001

:nsacloud:

ToxicSlurpee posted:

Never underestimate the ability of people to be loving idiots especially when their paychecks are at stake. Aside from the fact that people tend to resist change in the first place whenever you hear stories like this it's the type of person who absolutely will not adapt. There is a certain level of entitlement as well; as in, I made this business and it exists and was successful, I should just have people hand me money forever. It doesn't matter if the writing is on the wall; they won't read it. Then when the business inevitably fails they find somebody else to blame because gently caress you I worked hard to make this business and I work hard to make it work.

I'd be working hard if I went out and dug a 90' x 90' x 30' hole by hand using nothing but a masonry trowel but that doesn't mean I deserve to be showered in cash and accolades for it.

Yeah, the thing that came to my mind is that expecting to be able to run this kind of niche business in a failing market like brick and mortar physical books is an amazingly privileged point of view. It'd be nice if we had a functioning healthcare system along with a good safety net so that when things like this happened they would be able to take it in stride and bounce back better. GOP talks non-stop about wanting to help small* businesses, but literally fights against every policy that leads to small business creation in lots of other developed countries. US is poo poo to start a business in, but not for the reasons the GOP always talks about. It's because if you fail then you might not be able to go to the doctor if you're sick. The only people who can create businesses comfortably in the US are privileged people with existing capital or a spouse to support them.

On the topic of your gaping hole, it'd be nice if you could at least get healthcare and a mincome while doing that if it made you happy. Who knows, maybe you'll spawn a market for it, and it can become a legit business. Artisanal foundations or some poo poo.

*small as defined by number of workers, and so you get financial firms with 12 people doing leveraged buyouts and loving around with oil futures raking in millions of dollars defined as small businesses.

ErIog fucked around with this message at 09:58 on Feb 4, 2015

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug
1970: Jack gets sent to loving NAM because he does not have a powerful enough father to defer it.

eric
Apr 27, 2004
Lipstick Apathy

Fulchrum posted:

Back from a trip. Part 2!






You can play golf cheaply if you try.

eric fucked around with this message at 13:59 on Feb 4, 2015

Cognac McCarthy
Oct 5, 2008

It's a man's game, but boys will play

McDowell posted:


[Quote of Hitler talking about wealth inequality and redistribution]

Woman's world is her husband, her family, her children and her home. We do not find it right when she presses into the world of men.

- Adolf Hitler, quoted in Lucy Komisar, The New Feminism

A Volkisch state must therefore begin by raising marriage from the level of a continuous defilement of the race, and give it the consecration of an institution which is called upon to produce images of the Lord and not monstrosities halfway between man and ape.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 2



It really is a silly argument but so many people have the simple black/white view of history.
Sorry to drudge up a ridiculously old post (I'm working my way through the thread after a couple weeks with no internet) but I didn't see anyone address this: The quote from Hitler is falsely attributed to him, of course. It was from something written by Gregor Strasser, a man who was heavily involved in the Nazi Party when it was in its infancy, and when there were far-left elements to it. Hitler actually had him killed just to give you a sense of how dishonest it is to say Hitler himself said it.

This is probably the best way of refuting this specific quote, but it is really hard to go after people who say "Nazis = socialists!!!!" in a disingenuous way: The Nazis did regard themselves as socialists, but not in any way we use the term today, and certainly not in a leftist sense. They basically conflated socialism with modernism, which was en vogue for both the far right and far left at the time in Europe, so they thought they were creating a "new socialism", which was anti-Marxist at its very core. It's worth noting however that fascists were also fundamentally opposed to liberal capitalism, just not for the reasons Glenn Beck or anyone on the right trying to characterize them as leftists implies.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


eric posted:

You can play golf cheaply if you try.

Its part of this long running thing where they constantly disparage Obama for any kind of time off doing anything, ignoring that Bush spent something like half his presidency at his ranch in Texas.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply