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Fister Roboto posted:Almost as if they started out being written by a man who was in his late 20s when the story started and is now in his 30s. I dunno, seems a bit metafictional...
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Rand Brittain posted:I would have to look pretty hard to find a book where kids don't act several years in advance of their stated ages. I'd recommend Paranatural if you are looking for that. (I'd you weren't I'd still recommend it anyway) Edit: or Scarygoround, or Gunnerkrigg Court. Bell_ fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Jan 22, 2015 |
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Jan 22, 2015 04:38
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WAMPA_STOMPA posted:Guys if it wasnt for Act 6 we would never have gotten this magical sequence. Caliborn: Great character or GREATEST character? You decide, but it's definitely one of the two. Space Cadet Omoly fucked around with this message at 06:35 on Jan 22, 2015 |
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Jan 22, 2015 05:43
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Caliborn: Great character or GREATEST character? You decide, but it's defiantly one of the two.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:GREATEST character? Impossible as long as Karkat exists. John too, in a way. Only a great character.
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Bell_ posted:I'd recommend Paranatural if you are looking for that. Ditto, ditto and ditto. Paranatural in particular. The current page features a character trying to use band-aids to cover a very serious injury because "She is both extremely resourceful and extremely twelve years old."
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Jan 22, 2015 10:57
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remember when homestuck updated constantly?
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Wyld Karde posted:Ditto, ditto and ditto. Paranatural in particular. The current page features a character trying to use band-aids to cover a very serious injury because "She is both extremely resourceful and extremely twelve years old." All of these still generally act way older than what they look, particularly when it comes to vocabulary. It's kind of inevitable since it'd get a bit old to have them thinking and talking like little kids all the time. Then there's of course It Hurts! that gets little kids being idiots 100% faithfully.
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Eh, when I was a kid, I always felt that if the kid characters weren't small adults they were acting annoyingly young and stupid for their supposed age and that annoyed me way more, so it goes both ways.
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see the truth is that adults are generally just large kids with a little more life experience and education some of them even learn from it 
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Paranatural is great but everybody in it is vastly wittier than a real twelve-year-old.
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Yep, as I said it kinda has to be that way to keep the writing interesting.
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Rand Brittain posted:Paranatural is great but everybody in it is vastly wittier than a real twelve-year-old. Exactly as witty as most twelve year olds think they are though I mean poo poo it's not like the majority of adults are out there winning awards for comedy either. Most of our friends/family/co-workers are still rote quoting Python and finding it pants-wettingly funny, for example.
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Renaissance Robot posted:Exactly as witty as most twelve year olds think they are though So the story is being told from the perspective of the kids, and they seem wittier than they actually are because they embellish the story a lot? Well that explains the Vice Principal's nose.
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Rand Brittain posted:Paranatural is great but everybody in it is vastly wittier than a real twelve-year-old. poo poo this fantasy story features characters that are much more interesting and intelligent than average children of their age.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:poo poo this fantasy story features characters that are much more interesting and intelligent than average children of their age. This conversation started by someone recommending Paranatural as a thing where kid characters acted their age. And that's crazy inaccurate.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:poo poo this fantasy story features characters that are much more interesting and intelligent than average children of their age. Nobody is complaining about it, I think? It was just an observation someone made.
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I've known kids that were smarter and wiser than most adults; and adults that were dumber and duller than most kids. Anyone who has some parents among their facebook friends will know that stories about average, normal kids are incredibly boring.
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I'm confused. (Welcome to Homestuck, enjoy your stay.) Right before the "rocks fall, everyone dies" events leading up to GAME OVER, how old were the kids? Everybody who was on the meteor is 16, right? What about Dave (original-formula Dave) and the alpha kids?
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Stories about adults usually feature people who are more interesting and witty than regular people. 100% faithful dialogue is hard since it'd consist mostly of people talking over each other, saying half a sentence before stopping, going back to finish a point nobody cares about, all the noisy minutia that people only half-listen to. Being able to write children well doesn't necessarily mean writing them exactly how children act and sound, but rather as a recognizably childish version of a fictional character. Homestuck characters are more larger-than-life caricatures (even their home lives before the game were pretty exaggerated) but they have little bits of relatable immaturity in there that makes them good child characters, and as they grow up to be teenagers there's a recognizable transition. Paranatural has the same goofy stuff but likes to cut a little closer to the bone from time to time, with the example where the character Isabel gets her arm badly cut but due to a difficult home life hides it from her grandfather and tries to patch it up with a bunch of band-aids. Admittedly her arm was cut by a ghost and her father is a kung fu master, but it's the recognizable logic of a child that makes it good writing. Edit - everyone was 16, which is a confusing point for the trolls with their weird alien lifespans. Although for some reason John traveled three years back in time and is the same height as everyone else, and is also the same height as the Alpha kids. Dolash fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Jan 22, 2015 |
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I'm confused. (Welcome to Homestuck, enjoy your stay.) Right before the "rocks fall, everyone dies" events leading up to GAME OVER, how old were the kids? Everybody who was on the meteor is 16, right? What about Dave (original-formula Dave) and the alpha kids? Everyone is 16.
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Alpha kids, beta kids, and Alternian trolls are all now sixteen. Beforan trolls died at nineteen. Calliope and Caliborn were eleven when the adventure started, not sure how long Caliborn has been on his own.
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KoB posted:Everyone is 16. Except for ghosts, anyway. Vriska was still 13 before she was revived.
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Dolash posted:Edit - everyone was 16, which is a confusing point for the trolls with their weird alien lifespans. Although for some reason John traveled three years back in time and is the same height as everyone else, and is also the same height as the Alpha kids. Character heights are never meant to be 100% accurate, whether drawn in hero mode or in a more symbolic manner.
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I think Dave's been being drawn taller than the other kids in his cohort lately. It may just be that he's perma-hero.
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Remember that Gamzee is in fact the shortest troll of them all.
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Kgummy posted:Karkat looks shorter there. That's because Gamzee is standing on cartoonishly long stilts, duh
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Based on this page, I wonder if the wallet will be used to captchalogue the green sun itself. If it stops being there entirely, and somehow gets retconned from existence, things could get pretty weird.
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Confirmed: Jake actually doesn't know how babies are made.
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That wallet bugs me. I like to imagine it was just a dying Terezi having one last little giggle pranking John by making him accomplice to his own robbery, but more realistically I assume the lack of it will at some point gently caress things up for everybody in a big way and more retjohnning will be required to fix it.
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Zoe posted:That wallet bugs me. I like to imagine it was just a dying Terezi having one last little giggle pranking John by making him accomplice to his own robbery, but more realistically I assume the lack of it will at some point gently caress things up for everybody in a big way and more retjohnning will be required to fix it. More likely, the "her" doesn't refer to Terezi at all, but rather someone John meets much later in a later scene that future Terezi managed to foresee.
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TheDemon posted:More likely, the "her" doesn't refer to Terezi at all, but rather someone John meets much later in a later scene that future Terezi managed to foresee. probably Calliope
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So to jump in quick, I got linked to part of the Midnight crew intermission and read through some of that before I was very lost and started reading homestuck from the beginning. I'm now up to act 4 and continuing to power through despite being very confused. Good kind of confused though. Now i'm starting to get frustrated with how the trolls talk. It was merely annoying when they only had a few conversations. Now they're conversing with each other and it makes my eyes hurt. Will check back in once i'm caught up and rereading it, because I know I'm going to have to reread it.
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M_Gargantua posted:So to jump in quick, I got linked to part of the Midnight crew intermission and read through some of that before I was very lost and started reading homestuck from the beginning. Here is your warning. The trolls will continue to talk, more and more. And more. You are poised on a precipice above a yawning abyss of troll speech and typing quirks.  However, I believe there used to be some browser extensions that translated the trolls' quirks into regular text, but I don't have any links and I'm not sure if they've been maintained. Someone else in the thread might have a better idea.
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They don't work for the walkarounds in any case. You're better off just squinting a bit and not concentrating too hard.
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I don't understand how people have difficulty reading the troll's typing quirks. Did all of you discover the internet after the early 2000's, and miss out on the heyday of L337 5P34K?
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Ammat The Ankh posted:I don't understand how people have difficulty reading the troll's typing quirks. Did all of you discover the internet after the early 2000's, and miss out on the heyday of L337 5P34K?
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