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Zeroisanumber posted:We buy a LOT of explosives for the 4th. I've known more than a few people who went to store their fireworks and found a forgotten basement stash. There's also the occasional fireworks windfall when relatives find the stashes of the deceased.
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MizPiz posted:July 4th proves that America was doomed to have a military industrial complex Nah, we all eventually get to die. 
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oh hey so I wanted to post about a Defend The Flag rally going on in my hometown, since idk who these people are, or if they're connected to the wider naziverse- maybe someone has some info? I live in a small-to-medium Kansas college town, and we recently made some headlines, I guess, for someone's campus art project:  http://www.kwch.com/content/news/Governor-Colyer-condemns-use-of-desecrated-flag-at-KU-487920161.html Governor Pro-tem Jeff Colyer wrote a letter to KU demanding they take it down, and the Chancellor folded immediately. It's been kind of A Local Thing for libs and lefties to grouse righteously about this week (there's a new one every month or so), and a firm reminder in local comments sections that while we have a reputation for being 'liberal', we're still in Kansas, so it's also been A Local Thing for chuds to grouse about, and for centrists to pop up defending Voltaireishly. This is where the Hog Holler Saloon comes in, out in Ozawkie KS, a lil blip northeast of Topeka and northwest of us. (I am like 99% sure that's Cerebus the Aardvark with a truncated nose, lol)  they are PISSED that someone put symbols on their flag symbol, and for the second time, are descending on our town for a protest/rally:  quote:So KU feels it is acceptable and artistic to desecrate the symbol of our country's Unity and Commitment to Equality, Freedom and Liberty for ALL. they appear to be libertarian respect are troops types and not identarian nazi types: hog holler saloon (jfc why do i still live here) posted:The Owner is politically active which tends to get some riled up. We have noticed messages and reviews of hate, claiming that we are racist, sexist and are prejudiced against gay people. Nothing could be further from the truth. In reality, we are socially liberal and financially conservative. Our guiding belief is that as long as you are not restricting the rights of others then do whatever blows your hair back. Unfortunately, in this day and age, some have taken the tactic of writing up false reviews about things that have never happened. But that's not the alarming part. That attitude is pretty normal around here lately, sort of the 'accepted' mainstream stance for a lot of conservatives (and tenuous libs). It's more that last time they were here, a lot of them were: - heavily armed - clogging traffic with their coal rollers - harassing minorities and transfolk - implicitly threatening violence - waving the confederate flag in the goddamn capitol of Bleeding Kansas abolitionism    (the LGBTQ flags are counter-protesters who were more or less corralled by the out-of-towners to a corner of the park)  (here they accidentally give some local AnComs a pointed weapon) so it wasn't the kind of Battle of Portland or C-Ville Shock danger, just a bunch of chuds screaming at people, but- like- we're really not used to this sort of thing here. There's living memory of riots in the 20th century, but nothing really approaching what other places have been seeing, especially lately. A lot of us are worried about APIII not being able to corral their people and having some Horrible poo poo go down in our relatively peaceful lil town, or of rallies like this making Lawrence a target for other, larger, national groups.  now- I'm gonna infodump some screenshots here, since I'm having trouble putting this together narratively, its a rabbit hole that goes deep and twisty- my gut tells me that they're running a political cash-grab grift:   (lol yeah thats a vault 111 pocket watch which I guess they think means III) there's more like that, and most of their album pictures are World War II propaganda Join The War Against The Existential Thread posters and 'come on down for brisket tuesday' or whatever and the whiplash is real Clay Mead is the name of the fella who owns the place (or is listed as a 'major shareholder' in their parent company, the hilariously non-innovative "Innovative Technology Solutions"), and is currently in trouble for pulling a gun and threatening to kill someone at a bar: https://www.ksnt.com/news/local-news/local-restaurant-owner-threatens-to-kill-man-at-bar-later-arrested_20180306033046532/1011513096 Hog Holler's take, unedited: quote:Status of the Hog Holler Saloon okay thank you for scrolling past all this effortpost gunk- despite being kind of a lightning rod for local conservatives, we don't get a lot of right-wing rallies until very recently. I'm not really equipped to know what information might be relevant in piecing them together with the wider picture, nor do I really know how to prepare for the worst with these kinds of things, and I'm very online- people with even less of a clue how this could go down are anywhere from skeptical that they're a threat, to panicked about themselves or their friends getting targeted in a hate crime. so- any insight would be appreciated on how to deal with what I'm pretty sure are our local idiot Heimbach-wannabe Kochheads- they don't seem to have their poo poo together, but you don't really have to be very good at anything to cause some chaos and hurt tons of people. I want to be able to inform locals as to what their deal is, and how they might fit in the larger surge of far-right demonstrations. If there's a better place to post this, lemme know <3 e: https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article210968699.html oh hey it's probable future governor and Brownback-choice for the office Kris Kobach's militia quote:The report describes a gun-rights event that Kobach attended in May 2017 in Ozawkie, Kan., just weeks before he announced he was running for governor. Peanut Butler has issued a correction as of 03:35 on Jul 15, 2018 |
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Lol, that saloon is about 2 weeks away from being burned down for the insurance money at the behest of the billionaire ownership group and they're just doing all this to blame it on antifa and give the pigs an excuse to roll with it and not look too deep
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Peanut Butler posted:they appear to be libertarian respect are troops types and not identarian nazi types: A = A. 
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Jul 15, 2018 03:40
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anybody who gives a poo poo about flag desecration is a nazi
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Haha, I saw an article about that on some bullshit right-wing "campus watch" site last week. Nothing makes me angrier than seeing the stars and bars flying in Kansas, especially in Lawrence. These idiots have no sense of history.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:anybody who gives a poo poo about flag desecration is a nazi I mean yeah I feel that, but tactically we're kind of stuck calling them fascists, since they're not openly bigoted? which yes is horseshit of the highest order but you have to understand that our liberal dems resemble urban republicans and are very "now now they didn't bring their swastikas this time, and they say that they're 'socially liberal, fiscally conservative'" basically the best you can do and be taken seriously around here is say 'they cant police their ranks, some of them are leaving their pointed hoods at home, and it could be any one of them' - thats one reason I'm doing some digging on these people, verified links to anything outside of the somehow acceptable 'Kobach-linked Patroit Militia', and to the unacceptable, bad kind of patriot would blow their deniability out of the water. And before you say that deniability is flimsy and obviously a smokescreen: no poo poo, but it works for them. Nothus posted:Nothing makes me angrier than seeing the stars and bars flying in Kansas, especially in Lawrence. These idiots have no sense of history. same though a lot of idiots here have no sense of history- a local landowner and developer opened a trendy speakeasy for his failson called John Brown Underground- I know a couple people who work there, and it's supposedly a pretty swank and comfy place for an expensive cocktail before hitting Replay/Jazzhaus/Franks for cheap beers- but goddamn the commodification of the Last American Hero fuckin stinks  it's also worth noting that our local conservatives were pissed off about the Confederate flag showing up, too. but yeah if you're gonna do it, keep that poo poo in slaver capitol Leavenworth Peanut Butler has issued a correction as of 04:04 on Jul 15, 2018 |
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a more politically savvy art project would probably involve defacing the rebel flag yeh
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well the point of the art was to show a nation divided and then the government ordered the university to take it down and people have been arguing about it online for the last week or so I'd say it served its purpose
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Peanut Butler posted:I mean yeah I feel that, but tactically we're kind of stuck calling them fascists, since they're not openly bigoted? which yes is horseshit of the highest order but you have to understand that our liberal dems resemble urban republicans and are very "now now they didn't bring their swastikas this time, and they say that they're 'socially liberal, fiscally conservative'" Calling them Nazi is a shorthand embellishment. It's just a deeply reactionary attitude that trends towards fascism when it goes unexamined.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:bonnie blue flag Just say you it’s the Somali flag.
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Epic High Five posted:Lol, that saloon is about 2 weeks away from being burned down for the insurance money at the behest of the billionaire ownership group and they're just doing all this to blame it on antifa and give the pigs an excuse to roll with it and not look too deep  i browsed some of the activists involved and they look like generic trump people and biker chuds. there might be some peckerwood shotcallers or other nazi types in the mix but i didn't see any liking the event on facebook at a glance. nazi activity in kansas seems minimal in terms of flyering over the past two years. identity evropa flyers appeared at the university of kansas in lawrence in april 2018. there were some TRS flyers at kansas state in manhattan in september 2017. kansas is one of the least "active" states at least in regards to flyers. identity evropa kids are also not the kind to hang around bikers. my feeling is that it's a scam, and this clay mead guy is losing it. facebook orders "likes" by most recent and he only recently started liking "oath keepers" and "III%" stuff. he seems violent and prone to lashing out and -- psychoanalyzing for a second -- i think this "cause" is a way for him to do that as his life and business is collapsing around him.  edit: doobie's dog house.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Calling them Nazi is a shorthand embellishment. It's just a deeply reactionary attitude that trends towards fascism when it goes unexamined. oh yah I know that, and I both respect what you're saying and think you have a top-tier C-SPAM username- but the 'you just call everyone you dont like nazis' tactic worked extremely well here in the big middle flat part. It's an embellishment that you can use at the bar, or while shooting the poo poo, but it's a shaky tactic when you're trying to articulate to Normal Not-Online Folks why this is bad. I can't stress enough that our local democratic party is a 'big tent' mostly full of people who would be republicans if they were from Chicago/NYC/LA, with a smattering of disorganzied DSA country-commie types BrutalistMcDonalds posted:nazi activity in kansas seems minimal in terms of flyering over the past two years. identity evropa flyers appeared at the university of kansas in lawrence in april 2018. there were some TRS flyers at kansas state in manhattan in september 2017. kansas is one of the least "active" states at least in regards to flyers. identity evropa kids are also not the kind to hang around bikers. yeah for as conservative a place as Kansas is, we don't have the Nebraskan problem, and there's a general culture of racial equity (publicly) I kinda figured it was some good ol boys running a grift- but, y'know, good to bounce it off of folks who can stand to immerse themselves in this more than I can
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so he's also trying to steer these protesters back to his bar for "special events?" this is totally a scam. i'd stress that angle. avoid the culture war politics which will just inflame people.
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*finger guns* gotcha, makes sense my dad's a liberal retired blue-collar-but-well-paid government employee middle-aged suburban biker guy and the more I look at it, it does look like a lot of the events he helps put on at the American Legion but with an extra weird DEFEND OUR LAND marketing spiel (most of the AL stuff is 'pancake feed to help Harold who lost his leg in Korea afford a good nursing home') they have a private group for I guess regulars, too: 
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Rock Your Rights!* *Not the first amendment though, we have a problem when people use that particular right in a way that is against our tastes. Sometimes I am get genuinely curious if chuds know there is more in the constitution than the second amendment. That seems to be the only part of it they ever cite.
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stumbled across an obscure fascist publishing house called "black house publishing."   the authors:   has been around for several years and seems similar to counter currents (U.S.) and arktos (europe), which are the more influential fascist publishing houses out there right now. (one problem with counter currents for the far right: the publisher, greg johnson, is gay.) black house seems to mainly publish keith preston and kerry bolton. preston is an ex-wobbly who is the supremo of something called the "american revolutionary vanguard," a "national-anarchist" formation. (national anarchism is like another spin on ultra-libertarianism for whites only.) the other is an old kiwi nazi named kerry bolton who has written a bunch of books. leonid savin is a duginite from russia. what's interesting is this stalin book by kerry bolton, because it is actually pro-stalin and argues he was a great, nationalist leader who really stuck it to the jews in his anti-semitic campaign during the '50s. i can see some tankies falling for this. what's also curious is that black house is based out of london but none of the authors seem to live there 
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Kurtofan posted:Is brownback the former kansas governor yep the gov so bad he managed to be run out of the state by his own party
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:stumbled across an obscure fascist publishing house called "black house publishing." A+ on Spengler and Mosley being listed alongside living authors, as if they have chosen this particular publisher among all others to pump out their hundred-year-old poo poo.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:has been around for several years and seems similar to counter currents (U.S.) and arktos (europe), which are the more influential fascist publishing houses out there right now. (one problem with counter currents for the far right: the publisher, greg johnson, is gay.) I was wondering why they let My Nationalist Pony write for them when he's a degenerate gay brony.
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wait what they're saying theres a saffer conspiracy i thought south africans were fellow members of the oppressed white race
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there’s a Jewish community in South Africa, so connect the dots.
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that makes sense, racists saffers constantly blame other saffers for majority rule
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Is Bannon completely shifting his energies to the far right in Europe now that he has been shut out by Trump?
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Slum Village posted:Is Bannon completely shifting his energies to the far right in Europe now that he has been shut out by Trump? Seems like, maybe? He was thrown out of Breitbart and cut off from the Mercer fascist gravy train too so he might be looking for safe harbor among Euro fascists.
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Bannon's gonna be the next weev
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Whats a Tommy Robinson again? Something about helping pedophiles, but not in the way regular conservatives with money do it?
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Zeroisanumber posted:Seems like, maybe? He was thrown out of Breitbart and cut off from the Mercer fascist gravy train too so he might be looking for safe harbor among Euro fascists. seems like a lot of the old nazi guard are migrating over there
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Epic High Five posted:Bannon's gonna be the next weev They certainly went/going through the same metamorphosis
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I don't know if this thread has ever discussed "ShieldWall" more in-depth but here's a summary from a friend. Context is a discussion about the proud boys mspaint plans.quote:I ran across this in March, it's a technique derived from law enforcement doctrine and first pioneered by Billy Roper's ShieldWall Network Phalanx armed wing.
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pillsburysoldier posted:Whats a Tommy Robinson again? Something about helping pedophiles, but not in the way regular conservatives with money do it? Some British Nationalist yob. Caused a mini-riot outside of a trial for some Muslim pedo pimps which caused a mistrial. Got tossed in the clink and now he's a martyr/cause celebre for every fully-smooth fascist fuckhead in the west.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Some British Nationalist yob. Caused a mini-riot outside of a trial for some Muslim pedo pimps which caused a mistrial. Got tossed in the clink and now he's a martyr/cause celebre for every fully-smooth fascist fuckhead in the west. Not quite. He live streamed outside of court during a trial calling the defendants pedos before they were found guilty so possibly prejudicing the trial itself. He was stopped and given a caution about it saying he can't do that again. He did it again (different trial). So he got charged with the same charge again and plead guilty, getting a prison term for it.
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Epic High Five posted:Bannon's gonna be the next weev he keeps giving speeches about bitcoin now, so probably
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https://twitter.com/Anawnnemus/status/1018551629409411072?s=19 (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Bullfrog posted:I don't know if this thread has ever discussed "ShieldWall" more in-depth but here's a summary from a friend. Context is a discussion about the proud boys mspaint plans.  He was a deputy in William Pierce's National Alliance and used his position to attract skinhead and "movement" types into the ranks, and organized a lot of attention-grabbing events, including the 2002 "Rock Against Israel" march in D.C. which was the largest event of its kind until Unite the Right in 2017. There was another rally in York, PA in 2002 that got violent. Roper still claims the D.C. march had bigger turnout than Cville.   These events were not what Pierce had in mind. He wanted a more serious, professional organization and this made the National Alliance look bad. Then with Pierce's death, infighting tore the group apart and Roper is still disliked within the movement as a result of that. I don't know whether these other alt-right groups are copying anything ShieldWall has put out. I personally doubt it, though your friend might have looked at this more. Roper's last showing was in Memphis in January that drew less than a dozen people: https://twitter.com/splcenter/status/950442136037724162 That event seemed to be Roper trying to entry his way into another protest held by a neo-Confederate group, but the neo-Confederates didn't want anything to do with Roper so they went the "flagger" route by driving around the city waving stars and bars while Roper and his fellow goobers stood around in the freezing cold for an hour. BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 18:58 on Jul 15, 2018 |
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