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Lemniscate Blue
Apr 21, 2006

Here we go again.
C with the full intention of voting for Carlos' Crusaders for part 3.

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golden bubble
Jun 3, 2011

yospos

C. I'd rather trust Carlos' fate up to PoptartsNinja's writing skills than to his dice. Besides, white is the best color for a battle.

MJ12
Apr 8, 2009

Gay Abortions posted:

A vote for Comguard is a vote for a 4v12 match where the 4 stand a decent chance of survival.

I want to C if we're talking Manei Domini here. Because holy poo poo the possibility we're getting Manei Domini characters is enough for me to vote this.

Reasons why Manei Domini are loving awesome:
* The common VDNI + Pain Shunt + Dermal Armor combination mean they ignore all pilot hits. Get hit in the head by a PPC? Yeah, gently caress off, not taking any pilot damage. Ammunition explosion? Nope. No pilot damage there! Falling down? Nope. Not a single bit of pilot damage.
* Regular Manei Domini have the same 2/3 piloting skills, thanks to their DNIs, as elite IS Mechwarriors.
* If they have optical implants, they have innate Active Probe boosts, and if they have communications implants, they can outmaneuver the enemy (maybe instead of +init they strip ACE from enemy units? Who knows).
* CYBORGS! UNDER YOUR COMMAND!

If they're not MD, that means that somehow four guys are capable of fairly fighting 12 dudes, and that is going to mean they are probably amazing as hell and equipped with even more amazing Battlemechs.

dis astranagant
Dec 14, 2006

MJ12 posted:

I want to C if we're talking Manei Domini here. Because holy poo poo the possibility we're getting Manei Domini characters is enough for me to vote this.

Reasons why Manei Domini are loving awesome:
* The common VDNI + Pain Shunt + Dermal Armor combination mean they ignore all pilot hits. Get hit in the head by a PPC? Yeah, gently caress off, not taking any pilot damage. Ammunition explosion? Nope. No pilot damage there! Falling down? Nope. Not a single bit of pilot damage.
* Regular Manei Domini have the same 2/3 piloting skills, thanks to their DNIs, as elite IS Mechwarriors.
* If they have optical implants, they have innate Active Probe boosts, and if they have communications implants, they can outmaneuver the enemy (maybe instead of +init they strip ACE from enemy units? Who knows).
* CYBORGS! UNDER YOUR COMMAND!

If they're not MD, that means that somehow four guys are capable of fairly fighting 12 dudes, and that is going to mean they are probably amazing as hell and equipped with even more amazing Battlemechs.

Pretty sure PTN has said that we're getting regular Comguard units in machines that honestly aren't significantly ahead of high end house unit kit these days.

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


DNIs aren't very widespread because they kill you in a decade, right?

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
I hope they're just good mechs in some helpful terrain rather than bullshit wizardry.

Lenisto
Nov 1, 2012
I'm voting A because the FWL always needs more love

koolkevz666
Aug 22, 2015
Going to vote A . Also want to say this thread has been amazing. I love the battle tech universe and I am slightly upset that my only experience with it has been with mech warrior online.

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat
Let’s Read Mechwarrior Dark Age
A Brand New Era, A Brand New Saga!
GHOST WAR
a BattleTech novel
NEW YORK TIMES BESTSELLING AUTHOR
MICHAEL A. STACKPOLE

Part 4




Chapter 7

Ghost War posted:

Something about chickens and flamethrowers. Wait, no, sorry.

The fish sees the bait, not the hook.
—Capellan Confederation saying

Mmhm. Yeah. :rolleyes:

The GGF take Sam to a coffee shop this chapter. It’s to spy on the Space Police, in theory. Rather than doing anything productive Sam muses endlessly about ComStar again. He then contemplates how great the Republic is and how effortlessly it manipulates its population into eating up political horseshit. I wish I was joking but stuff like this:

Ghost War posted:

I know that could be read very cynically, primarily because it does involve the manipulation of the populace. That manipulation, however, was not the sort of ham-handed coercion Reis practiced. Taking action in those causes made citizens feel good about themselves. Those who were already Republic citizens were inspired to continue good works, and those who were not threw themselves into such causes to earn their citizenship.

Goes on for pages. I don’t give a poo poo how morally upstanding your oppressive dictatorship is, Devlin Stone is still a poor man’s Dr. Doom. The only interesting thing we learn is that the HPGs themselves are actually satellites that ground- or moon-based installations transmit to. That’s a new one on me, whoops.

Oh, and then we learn that in spite of all of the Republic’s effort to break up ethnic groups, there’s still a strong undercurrent of racism because all the Republic successfully did was plant little enclaves of ethnic groups all over their predominantly white utopia. ASIANS :argh:

Anyway, he eventually gets told to tail the Douchebag of the Sphere, which he does (getting caught pretty much instantly, getting him beaten up by her bodyguards). Sam taunts her, and says once he’s free he’s “going to run to the Capellan Confederation where at least there’s some freedom left.”

:drat:

Sam then gets released, kicks the poo poo out of his GGF driver and dumps him in a trash can. He then gets pissy about being used as ‘bait’ to lure out the Douchebag’s security detail and then the chapter ends.



Chapter 8

Ghost War posted:

Though the enemy be only like an ant, regard him like an elephant
—African saying

Oh c’mon, you’re not even trying now.

Sam immediately demands to see the Boss, who the GGF mooks call Mr. Handy. Just like a Mr. Johnson in Shadowrun. Like Mr. Johnson, Mr. Handy gives other dicks jobs. A Mr. Handy-job, if you will. Stay classy, book.

Ghost War posted:

So time dragged on slowly. I really didn’t care that they didn’t like me. I actually enjoyed the fact that they feared me. That’s the funny thing about intellectual folks—and it’s only the educated who can get behind causes like endangered species. While they might be willing to embrace violence to further their cause, it’s always some imaginary ennobled form of violence. It’s clean, the one-punch knock-out, where you ask the other guy to say “uncle” and then you accept he’ll act according to his word.

gently caress you.

Anyway, Mr. Handy shows up and Sam demands to know the entire plan to ‘reassure himself’ that he’s not being used as bait. Mr. Handy, being an idiot an idiot, actually tells him the entire plan. Sam points out ways to make it better get the bulk of the GGF caught, and Mr. Handy agrees to that too. Including putting Sam in charge of the whole operation.

:bravo:

Anyway, it then jumps to the mission planning stage where Sam meets his team: Wirejaw (the woman he punched), a Japanese man, an Aryan (in case you needed more reason to hate the GGF this novel they literally bring in a blonde-haired blue-eyed man and stick him on the same team as a Japanese man), and Captain Falcon.

Sam is going to be driving a MiningMech, one of the only types of AgroMechs that actually makes a little sense, and the plan is to hit the police station and steal all the guns. Sam then says they’re going out to dinner and takes everyone to what is obviously a dead-drop point so he can tell the Douchebag what their plan is so they can all get caught.



Chapter 9

Ghost War posted:

One must plow with the horse one has
—Steiner saying

Yeah, I’m calling bullshit on this “saying.”

Sam goes to get some Space Coffee with one of his teammates and they case the precinct house while they do it. He then goes to Space Starbucks to get his Space Coffee where the sizes are giant, titanic, and leviathan.

Sam antagonizes the barista (he antagonizes everyone) and we then learn what a sick mentality he has.

Ghost War posted:

It’s at that point one usually has to make a decision: will dealing with this person make my life more miserable, or her life more miserable? I saw it as a draw, but ordered a bunch of baked goods to go. While it was a zero-zero thing for her and me, I knew Letitia wold consider the stuff as evil as a rare steak, and that was one in the win column for me.

Letting that sink in…



Our hero can only be happy if he’s actively making the people around him miserable.

Anyway, after making all of his companions thoroughly miserable with baked goods, coffee, and processed sugar, there’s a two-day time skip and Sam starts musing about the limitations of BattleMechs. I actually like this bit, since Stackpole knows his way around fictional giant robots. It’s written simply but Dark Age was an attempt to pull in newer readers which is why the main character is an insufferable manchild.

Sam’s MiningMech has been decorated in Christmas lights and tinsel because IndustrialMechs are apparently commonly used as parade floats. :confuoot:

Prior to their raid, Sam divulges what everyone does to fight their nerves. Of course the Japanese man meditates because all Asians are mystical people with few ties to the physical world and Space Racism. The MiningMech’s name is Digger, so we’re getting closer to the ‘teaser’ at the beginning. Hooray. The first thing Sam does with the MiningMech is carve up the sidewalk and break a water main because he’s a terrible pilot.

Turns out the space police precinct house is full of space police. :iiam:

Of course it’s a trap (because Sam leaked the op to Janella). Janella arrives piloting a Centurion and of course they have to fight because, ah. Uh.

:iiam:

Anyway, exciting action fleeing sequence!

Ghost War posted:

Had it not been for the condescension in her voice, I might have just shut Digger down, but I couldn’t. Without replying I cut west. Now, if you’d been reading closely, you’d be wondering why I would go west when there wasn’t a roadway there. It was precisely because there was no roadway there that I chose to go that way. While there wasn’t a road, there was a wide alley used for deliveries and I started charging down it as fast as Digger could go.

Semantics.

Anyway, the teaser happens and I’m not going to repeat it. Sam gets caught by the Space Police.

Only 30 chapters to go!

Carbolic
Apr 19, 2007

This song is about how America chews the working man up and spits him in the dirt to die

MJ12 posted:

I want to C if we're talking Manei Domini here. Because holy poo poo the possibility we're getting Manei Domini characters is enough for me to vote this.

Ah, the "Manei Domini". I am guessing none of the writers and proofreaders saw the "Romanes eunt domus" scene in Life of Brian, or that it went right over their heads. ("People called Manei, of the master?")

Voting A.

Psion
Dec 13, 2002

eVeN I KnOw wHaT CoRnEr gAs iS

Carbolic posted:

proofreaders

The who? :confused:

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat
Surprising no one, it turns out the Word of Blake just isn't very bright.

Olothreutes
Mar 31, 2007

Even though it is getting buried in the combined landslide that is A and C, I'm going to vote for B2 because I really want to see what front line omni these shadow hawks were prototyping for.

Maybe you'll get to fight them anyway.

AJ_Impy
Jun 17, 2007

SWORD OF SMATTAS. CAN YOU NOT HEAR A WORLD CRY OUT FOR JUSTICE? WHEN WILL YOU DELIVER IT?
Yam Slacker

PoptartsNinja posted:

Surprising no one, it turns out the Word of Blake just isn't very bright.

Yeah, but they're an excellent example of evil being proportional to tech level in the setting.

PBJ
Oct 10, 2012

Grimey Drawer

Carbolic posted:

Ah, the "Manei Domini". I am guessing none of the writers and proofreaders saw the "Romanes eunt domus" scene in Life of Brian, or that it went right over their heads. ("People called Manei, of the master?")

Voting A.

Latin grammar is lostech.

LeadSled
Jan 7, 2008

PBJ posted:

Latin grammar is lostech.

As is Centurion John Cleese.

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat

Olothreutes posted:

Even though it is getting buried in the combined landslide that is A and C, I'm going to vote for B2 because I really want to see what front line omni these shadow hawks were prototyping for.

Warhammer Omnis

MJ12
Apr 8, 2009

dis astranagant posted:

Pretty sure PTN has said that we're getting regular Comguard units in machines that honestly aren't significantly ahead of high end house unit kit these days.

Yes, and if four of them can beat 12 dudes, I think we're talking some very interesting machines.

dis astranagant
Dec 14, 2006

MJ12 posted:

Yes, and if four of them can beat 12 dudes, I think we're talking some very interesting machines.

Consider the previous mission.

Olothreutes
Mar 31, 2007

PoptartsNinja posted:

Warhammer Omnis

:dance::hf::stare:

This sounds fantastic. I'm so happy that the death commando raid went so well, and that it was carried out by what is clearly the best IS faction for having extra neat ways to kill people.

Olothreutes fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Sep 8, 2015

AJ_Impy
Jun 17, 2007

SWORD OF SMATTAS. CAN YOU NOT HEAR A WORLD CRY OUT FOR JUSTICE? WHEN WILL YOU DELIVER IT?
Yam Slacker

PoptartsNinja posted:

Warhammer Omnis

Oooo. Please, we B2ers need your votes! This promises to be something wonderful.

dis astranagant
Dec 14, 2006

AJ_Impy posted:

Oooo. Please, we B2ers need your votes! This promises to be something wonderful.

Reminder that A is probably a vote to fight those.

Viva Miriya
Jan 9, 2007

A is the only vote worth counting hth.

Professor Malice
Nov 16, 2011
Voting A for more guerrilla action.

Erd
Jun 6, 2011
I'll vote C, but A sounds pretty great.

If A does win, I hope it's on a big map.

W.T. Fits
Apr 21, 2010

Ready to Poyozo Dance all over your face.
Maybe if we're lucky, A and C will tie and PTN will combine the two scenarios into a single mission!

(Not likely. But it's a nice thought.)

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

A will probably be a fight against superior technology, while C is clearly stated to be a fight against superior numbers.

So honestly it just comes down to picking which fight you think would be more interesting.

CISscum
Nov 15, 2014
Carlos Crusaders Companions!
By which I mean Comguard.

folytopo
Nov 5, 2013
A vote for A

habituallyred
Feb 6, 2015
B2 with the hope that this will influence the enemies if A wins.

In like Zinn
Jan 3, 2010

You'll notice from the bodies where the squaddies have been.
B2 go go warcrime rangers!

Cimbri
Feb 6, 2015

...Can't decide. gently caress it, A

Rorahusky
Nov 12, 2012

Transform and waaauuuugh out!
C is my vote.

Also wow, what an absolute stomping that mission was. The only objective Goonlance failed to achieve was rescuing the Comstar mechs, and that's only because they were so hilariously deep in the Cap's overlapping killzones that they were basically doomed to begin with.

Zebulon
Aug 20, 2005

Oh god why does it burn?!
Going to throw in my vote for C too.

Scintilla
Aug 24, 2010

I BEAT HIGHFORT
and all I got was this
jackass monkey
Count as of now:

A: 42
B1: 3
B2: 8
C: 45

C is pulling ahead very slightly, but there's still not much in it.

dis astranagant
Dec 14, 2006

I think I'll go ahead and throw in for A, to keep this close.

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe
A for continuity. Comstar have not done well in this universe.

Endomorphic
Jul 25, 2010

PoptartsNinja posted:

Our hero can only be happy if he’s actively making the people around him miserable.
It's worse than that. He's prepared to do things that make *himself* miserable as long as someone else is *even worse* off as a result. Doesn't change the conclusion though.


Also: B2 because no decent villain ever got their comeuppance in the very next scene. We have to keep the Warcrimes Train rolling for a bit so they eventually have even more to atone for. A vote to crush the Capellans now is noble and just and entirely appropriate, but it's also a vote *against* having the Capellans in the season finale final showdown. Choo choo, B2!

Gwaihir
Dec 8, 2009
Hair Elf

Z the IVth posted:

A for continuity. Comstar have not done well in this universe.

I was going back and re-reading a lot of our old scenarios from the start of the thread, and drat you aren't kidding. Comstar has gotten pretty stomped in this timeline. There was the OH GOD ELEMENTALS dropship mission, and then the planetside one against Grier Siedman where he TACed and pilot hit the entire level 2 to death in his Kraken. I don't think we've seen them since then?

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Scintilla
Aug 24, 2010

I BEAT HIGHFORT
and all I got was this
jackass monkey

Gwaihir posted:

I was going back and re-reading a lot of our old scenarios from the start of the thread, and drat you aren't kidding. Comstar has gotten pretty stomped in this timeline. There was the OH GOD ELEMENTALS dropship mission, and then the planetside one against Grier Siedman where he TACed and pilot hit the entire level 2 to death in his Kraken. I don't think we've seen them since then?

In the fluff they've also been made into the Master's puppets.

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