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Mar 6, 2018 14:09
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Is that Amelia Estevez’s plane?
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Mar 6, 2018 15:12
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Blind Rasputin posted:Is that Amelia Estevez’s plane? Looks like a Wildcat and two Devastators from the Lexington wreck.
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Mar 6, 2018 15:25
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Kesper North posted:I had no idea this existed. It's an F-15 with canards. Glorious. Clearly you haven't played enough Ace Combat.
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Mar 6, 2018 18:56
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Cat Hatter posted:Clearly you haven't played enough Ace Combat. An ace canard!
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Mar 6, 2018 19:36
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OWLS! posted:A reminder that more soviet things were driven by political considerations than you'd think. Things like deadlines for space launches, test flights, battle victories, were often shifted around to take place on a particularly notable date. Like Stalin's Birthday. Or the whichever anniversary of the revolution. etc etc. That's true. In fairness, Soviet combat performance should be negatively assessed because of the possibility of top political mandates. I want to touch on this argument for a second, from the Forczyk introduction. (Thanks for the title, I was looking for new history to read) quote:A cult of German tank-worshippers has arisen and its members are now firmly entrenched in their belief that all German tanks (meaning their beloved Tiger and Panther series) were better than any Soviet tanks and that the Red Army’s tank forces only prevailed because of numerical superiority. There is a grain of truth in this argument, which was fostered by German veterans seeking to perpetuate the Third Reich’s propaganda-line that the victory of the Red Army’s ‘barbarian hordes’ was due to mass, not skill. In the end, it doesn't matter if the Soviets won by drowning the Panzers in a weight of T-34s. The Soviets planned for a massed industrialized war, a war of massed war machines and optimized war economy. The Nazis completely failed to optimize their economy for industrial war, a fact which should weigh heavily against any assessment of German military superiority. There is altogether too much focus on kill/death ratio, as if that is the only metric of military efficiency. It isn't and fixation on kill / death ratio should be seen as what it is, whining from the losing side.
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Mar 6, 2018 21:25
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Jago posted:Is that camera movement a trick or is the plane really going backwards? What does the airspeed indicator say? Does the thrust vectoring and thrust/weight ratio mean that stalls aren't an issue? Presumably 0 because there'd be no air flowing into the pitot tube. The GPS should correct any INS errors due to that one. And I believe that is an angle of attack over 90 degrees. The trick is to design an aircraft that can do that without deep stalling. For example the F-16 could do some of the high thrust to weight tricks if it didn't enter a very difficult to recover from deep stall at extreme angles of attack. Note the giant parachute on the F-16 vista that was a test bed for thrust vectoring: 
hobbesmaster fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Mar 6, 2018 |
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Mar 6, 2018 21:50
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHP0qUreiDQ
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Mar 6, 2018 23:38
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Nebakenezzer posted:Paul Allen's sea-team has found the USS Lexington That's probably juuuuuuust deep enough for it to be spared the fate of the Prince of Wales.
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Mar 7, 2018 01:45
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Blistex posted:That's probably juuuuuuust deep enough for it to be spared the fate of the Prince of Wales. Uhh, the Lexington is under 2 miles of water, the Prince of Wales is under 223 feet. Pretty sure no one's going to be carting Lady Lex' propellers off for scrap any time soon. What's really interesting to me is her location - I guess they were looping around south to avoid Japanese forces to come up into Port Moresby? 
Memento fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Mar 7, 2018 |
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Mar 7, 2018 02:00
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I love how the repulse article starts with “on land you wouldn’t pillage graves” bitch please if dragging out a tank from a kursk monument would net a profit of $400k+ with practically zero chance of getting caught there’d be a queue of grave robbers.
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Mar 7, 2018 03:58
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It also ignores how almost every massively valuable tomb on land has been looted. If not, it's usually because it was too well-hidden.
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Mar 7, 2018 04:04
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Valtonen posted:“on land you wouldn’t pillage graves” fuckin'  There's an entire arm of anthropology for pillaging graves. It's called Egyptology.
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Mar 7, 2018 04:25
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I have a hard time getting worked up about what essentially amounts to recycling
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Mar 7, 2018 05:02
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Yeah they use to use mummies as fuel source for trains in Egypt during colonial rule.
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Mar 7, 2018 05:10
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That was Peru. Egyptian mummies went for paint, mostly.
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Mar 7, 2018 05:21
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Memento posted:fuckin' gently caress they do it right now with ww2 graves and battlefields. There are all sorts of pics Online from “amateur archeologists” digging up battlefields in Eastern Europe and more than a few of those things end up sold.
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Mar 7, 2018 06:55
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You don't even have to literally loot the graves to do it figuratively. See: * Never played it but apparently BF2142 owned so I gave it an asterisk. E: I'm an idiot and forgot about CoD MW and BF3/4 being 'near future', but I think the point holds up despite my stupidity. goatsestretchgoals fucked around with this message at 07:16 on Mar 7, 2018 |
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Mar 7, 2018 07:10
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Hauldren Collider posted:I have a hard time getting worked up about what essentially amounts to recycling It's not exactly looting your grandma's grave to get at her phosphates/bone marrow/tooth fillings, but it feels like that. And we're still history peeps, and as such, we'd prefer if historical wrecks or whatever weren't recycled into fidget spinners or whatever. Hooo boy, that exhaust plume.
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Mar 7, 2018 10:18
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Why are the Greeks holding onto their Phantoms? DO they do anything better than the F-16s? There aren't even that many of em, just 34 total left in active service, so I can't imagine it's for the quantity.
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Mar 7, 2018 10:31
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30-odd jets doesn't seem like such a trivial number for a non-US country.
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Mar 7, 2018 10:40
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Vahakyla posted:Why are the Greeks holding onto their Phantoms? DO they do anything better than the F-16s? There aren't even that many of em, just 34 total left in active service, so I can't imagine it's for the quantity.
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Mar 7, 2018 11:21
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Mar 7, 2018 13:11
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What a beautiful plane. Also there's a Tomcat in the photo but you can't have everything.
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Mar 7, 2018 13:51
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F-18s to compete on next season's Drag Race. 
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Mar 7, 2018 14:00
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Canted stores are the stupidest thing I swear
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Mar 7, 2018 14:08
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I fully admit that I am speaking from a distant position but I feel like if I died in a war contraption I'd want some enterprising guy to make as much money off of salvaging it as possible regardless of what my rotting corpse might be doing.
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Mar 7, 2018 15:01
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Do we have some visualization of the airflow around a loaded SHornet?
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Mar 7, 2018 15:02
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Cat Mattress posted:Do we have some visualization of the airflow around a loaded SHornet? Something something sheet of plywood something something afterburners.
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Mar 7, 2018 15:29
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MrYenko posted:Something something sheet of plywood something something afterburners. After watching an F-5 take off, a nearly-clean Rhino looks like a lumbering C-5 even on an AB takeoff.
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Mar 7, 2018 16:20
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bewbies posted:I fully admit that I am speaking from a distant position but I feel like if I died in a war contraption I'd want some enterprising guy to make as much money off of salvaging it as possible regardless of what my rotting corpse might be doing. Generally speaking it’s also lovely from a historians perspective. Ignoring the war graves aspect we can learn a lot from those wrecks and if nothing else they’re a valuable touchstone for getting people interested in history. Gettysburg probably has more ultimate utility as a bunch of farms and may e a Walmart parking lot but it has a lot of social value as a battlefield. Wrecks aren’t as accessible as a field in Pennsylvania of course but poo poo like recorded dives and the subsequent documentaries movies etc help. See: every normal person who knows way more about a relatively insignificant 1912 North Atlantic maritime disaster than you would expect in tyool 2018.
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Mar 7, 2018 16:58
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Cyrano4747 posted:relatively insignificant 1912 North Atlantic maritime disaster What timeline are you posting from, and is it one where Putin isn't trying to murder people in Britain using nerve agents?
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Mar 8, 2018 01:04
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Sperglord Actual posted:What timeline are you posting from, and is it one where Putin isn't trying to murder people in Britain using nerve agents? I fail to see the correlation between the two events. The sinking of the Titanic is inconsequential unless you’re studying the history of civilian maritime regulation and naval architecture; which nobody in their right mind would do. 
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Mar 8, 2018 01:08
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I just reread Fire Lance and if nobody’s going to do a Let’s Read I might have to. It’s the sort of thing I’d hate to leave half-done, though, so I might draft some posts and see how they turn out.
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Mar 8, 2018 03:48
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FrozenVent posted:I fail to see the correlation between the two events. Naval architecture is a slightly obscure but noble pursuit
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Mar 8, 2018 04:03
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Dear Canadian friends: Pour yourself a nice stiff drink before clicking
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Mar 8, 2018 04:33
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General Battuta posted:I just reread Fire Lance and if nobody’s going to do a Let’s Read I might have to. It’s the sort of thing I’d hate to leave half-done, though, so I might draft some posts and see how they turn out. do you have it in electronic format? I just have the paperback I bought in 1989 at a B Dalton bookstore.
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Mar 8, 2018 04:38
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my understanding is that naval architecture is 10,000 unbroken years of tossing poo poo at the wall to see what sticks
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Mar 8, 2018 04:43
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Can someone do an effort post of USN (or just naval in general) ship classes? Cause I sure as poo poo can't figure out what on Poseidon Blue Oceans a Frigate is supposed to be able to do that isn't already covered about 80-90% by a Destroyer or 60%+ by a Cruiser? Why the poo poo does the USN need new Frigates when they've got (aging) Tico Cruisers the Arleigh Destroyers and the Freedom class (these are Frigates, right??  ) let's not bring up the ZumwaltsLike... Outer, outer picket ASW patrol?
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Mar 8, 2018 04:58
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Smiling Jack posted:do you have it in electronic format? I just have the paperback I bought in 1989 at a B Dalton bookstore. There is no other format, as far as I can tell  I've got a paperback too, got it used off Amazon.
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Mar 8, 2018 04:59
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