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i got 5/10 which is sad cause i have a master's degree but not too sad because i focused on systematic theology and not liturgical studies, second only to spirituality in "poo poo most people don't care about"
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I got 5 on 10, I blame malnutrition from lenten fasting. (Just kidding I'm actually pleased with the result).
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cis autodrag posted:It won't run in any of my browsers. It must detect the magnitude of my sacrilege. A new Android phone eventually worked for me, nothing else. (No idea about Apple stuff.)
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Mar 16, 2017 18:12
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5/10 but wayyyy too catholic for me, I guessed a lot and stole answers from y'all.
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Mar 16, 2017 18:14
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9/10 because I am way too into this stuff
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Mar 16, 2017 21:06
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Bel_Canto posted:9/10 because I am way too into this stuff
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Question: The Bishop of my diocese granted a dispensation from the meat abstinence tomorrow because of St. Patrick's day. I will be spending all the time I will be eating, however, in a different diocese. Am I obligated to observe the abstinence of meat since I'm eating in a different diocese?
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Mar 16, 2017 21:51
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OK, genuine question. As I mentioned before I am non-religious, but I have lots of friends who are pretty devout Catholics so I've attended more than my fair share of Catholic wedding ceremonies. Generally they invite everyone up to take the sacraments, kneel and pray, etc. My personal policy has been not to take the sacraments and to assume the same physical position as everyone else but not to bow my head/fold my hands, etc, because I feel like it's disrespectful to "go through the motions" of something I don't have a belief in. Is this generally acceptable, or is it preferable that I take communion and so on anyway?
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Mar 16, 2017 21:54
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are you sure they're catholic because catholics don't practice open communion
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Senju Kannon posted:are you sure they're catholic because catholics don't practice open communion I mean, there was a big ole <NAME OF SAINT> Catholic Church sign in front of all the churches. I suppose Wisconsin could have some sort of secret rebel diocese but I was definitely in a Catholic church for a wedding of Catholic people and invited to the front to take communion. Perhaps the priests were simply operating under the assumption that there were no non-Catholics in the building.
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Mar 16, 2017 21:58
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in my experience the priest usually says something like "...and we welcome any who are Catholic/Orthodox to partake in communion" because you're supposed to be a member in good standing (gone to confession, other stuff?) to take communion he may have just assumed everyone was Catholic or knew the drill though
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I don't know how this is handled in the US but over here in Europe I've never seen a priest asking the congregation beforehand if there were any non-Catholics present, and it's not like they can smell the sulfur on you or something. Generally taking communion is not allowed to non-Catholics, so your approach is exactly the right one imo
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Pellisworth posted:he may have just assumed everyone was Catholic or knew the drill though I have to assume this is it. Glad to know I'm doing the right thing there.
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Mar 16, 2017 22:12
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i was at a wedding once and a friend of a friend took the Host back to the pew because she didn't know what to do with it
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Mar 16, 2017 22:27
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Senju Kannon posted:are you sure they're catholic because catholics don't practice open communion Yeah I didn't think you were allowed to do communion if you haven't done... something you have to do before you're allowed to do it. Be baptised maybe? I know at the funeral I went to they separated everyone out. Also I was real bad at the call and response bits.
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Mar 16, 2017 22:38
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StashAugustine posted:i was at a wedding once and a friend of a friend took the Host back to the pew because she didn't know what to do with it She should have cunningly lured a church mouse to come and take it from her because I believe there are all sorts of rules and regulations in regards to what to do about that.
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Mar 16, 2017 22:49
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OwlFancier posted:Yeah I didn't think you were allowed to do communion if you haven't done... something you have to do before you're allowed to do it. Be baptised maybe? I know at the funeral I went to they separated everyone out. Also I was real bad at the call and response bits. Have made your first communion Have a clean conscience (like, you've done nothing you believe you need to go to Confession over)
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Mar 16, 2017 23:36
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HEY GAIL posted:Be a Catholic Alternatively if you really want these things but can't get them for some super important reason I think you can also get communion as per church rules. Our maybe you still have to find someone to emergency baptize you first. Can a person emergency baptize hirself?
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Mar 16, 2017 23:41
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StashAugustine posted:i was at a wedding once and a friend of a friend took the Host back to the pew because she didn't know what to do with it My Presbyterian grandmother once did that, but it was an Anglican church, so not really the end of the world. Thirteen Orphans posted:Question: The Bishop of my diocese granted a dispensation from the meat abstinence tomorrow because of St. Patrick's day. Why does St Patrick's day get a dispensation? Is this an Irish thing?
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Mar 16, 2017 23:42
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Mr Enderby posted:Why does St Patrick's day get a dispensation? Is this an Irish thing?
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pidan posted:Alternatively if you really want these things but can't get them for some super important reason I think you can also get communion as per church rules. Our maybe you still have to find someone to emergency baptize you first. According to the Acts of Paul and Thecla-
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pidan posted:Alternatively if you really want these things but can't get them for some super important reason I think you can also get communion as per church rules. Our maybe you still have to find someone to emergency baptize you first. If you're a validly baptized Protestant, in danger of death, have no access to pastoral care from your own denomination, are well-catechized in the Catholic faith and believe it, you can receive emergency sacraments via the Last Rites. Basically you'd make a general confession, receive the Sacrament of Reconciliation, then receive the Sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick, make the formal profession of faith and receive the Sacrament of Confirmation, and then receive the Sacrament of the Eucharist. Can't figure out a way to shove the Sacrament of Holy Orders in there, but four in one day isn't bad.
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white supremacists are less likely to go to church https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/04/breaking-faith/517785/ quote:The alt-right is ultra-conservatism for a more secular age. Its leaders like Christendom, an old-fashioned word for the West. But they’re suspicious of Christianity itself, because it crosses boundaries of blood and soil.
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Mar 17, 2017 00:31
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can't jerk it to 2d girls in 3d space
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it may turn out that there are few things more fortunate for western europe c 2017 that whereas the OG fascists were often ww1 vets, this crop comes from the internet shame about russia though the pan heresy of ecumenicism strikes again edit: it's kind of interesting, still. nazism explicitly made use of christian symbols, romanian fascism was extremely christian but in a twisted form, but the alt-right is either largely secular or practice an extremely niche form of occultism HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Mar 17, 2017 |
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An evangelical friend came to Episocpal church with me once. He took the host from the acolyte and the acolyte took it back and ate it. gently caress you protestant; you can't TAKE communion, you must RECEIVE it! E: his three year old grandson waited to receive, and received. I'm raising my godson up well.
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WerrWaaa posted:An evangelical friend came to Episocpal church with me once. He took the host from the acolyte and the acolyte took it back and ate it. gently caress you protestant; you can't TAKE communion, you must RECEIVE it! This kind of detail is why I always just wait, watch what everyone else does, and follow suit when I visit high church style places. Lots of little details no one usually thinks to tell the visitor about.
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HEY GAIL posted:many americans are of irish ancestry so it's a huge party over here And here's where you can get the beef, although you are asked to trade a different penance: http://whispersintheloggia.blogspot.com/2017/03/the-indult-desk-is-open.html
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HEY GAIL posted:it may turn out that there are few things more fortunate for western europe c 2017 that whereas the OG fascists were often ww1 vets, this crop comes from the internet It's interesting to see how the very early Nazi movement in Munich (that would be 1920-22) had a strong overlap with the Catholic right with the party newspaper even going as far as publishing Mass times and having regular editorials by national socialist priests, but also how quickly this stopped once they had entered an alliance with the völkisch movement (which in Munich was largely either nominally Protestant and/or into some weird pseudo-Germanic occultism)
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cis autodrag posted:OK, genuine question. As I mentioned before I am non-religious, but I have lots of friends who are pretty devout Catholics so I've attended more than my fair share of Catholic wedding ceremonies. Generally they invite everyone up to take the sacraments, kneel and pray, etc. My personal policy has been not to take the sacraments and to assume the same physical position as everyone else but not to bow my head/fold my hands, etc, because I feel like it's disrespectful to "go through the motions" of something I don't have a belief in. Is this generally acceptable, or is it preferable that I take communion and so on anyway? I've seen it where people cross their arms on their chest at communion to receive a blessing instead of taking the sacrament. This was at a Maronite church I was visiting so maybe it's an eastern Catholic thing?
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System Metternich posted:It's interesting to see how the very early Nazi movement in Munich (that would be 1920-22) had a strong overlap with the Catholic right with the party newspaper even going as far as publishing Mass times and having regular editorials by national socialist priests, but also how quickly this stopped once they had entered an alliance with the völkisch movement (which in Munich was largely either nominally Protestant and/or into some weird pseudo-Germanic occultism) if you can find enough voters to have a party newspaper at all down there, that is edit: i remember some douche writing that hitler would finish what luther started (by making xtianity truly german at last) HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 04:02 on Mar 17, 2017 |
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Cythereal posted:This kind of detail is why I always just wait, watch what everyone else does, and follow suit when I visit high church style places. Lots of little details no one usually thinks to tell the visitor about.
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HEY GAIL posted:is that because they're nazis or because it was munich, compare that to, say, rural brandenburg The original Nazis weren't really of one mind w/r/t whether they wanted to be "Germanic" Christians, some sort of pagan or even r/atheists (they gave up on that last one after a while tho). That's why you can find a bunch of really off-putting Aryan Jesus type art from the period:  These kinds of paintings creep me out, even though I don't have a problem with depictions of the holy family as Chinese or Black or whatever. I guess it's just the history. That specific image was painted by some Bavarians after the war to give thanks for not being bombed in their village. So it's not really a Nazi picture, but it demonstrates that that kind of aesthetic had been popularized really effectively. While we're at it, I've been listening to what some (American) right wing Catholics have to say, and one of their claims is that the moon 🌒 that Mary keeps stomping on specifically represents the Muslim aggressor she's protecting Christians from, is this a thing or did they make it up?
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pidan posted:While we're at it, I've been listening to what some (American) right wing Catholics have to say, and one of their claims is that the moon 🌒 that Mary keeps stomping on specifically represents the Muslim aggressor she's protecting Christians from, is this a thing or did they make it up? Mary Pokrov is about protecting her treasured people from aggression, but the people in that one are Constantinople and the aggressors are Russian. edit: wikipedia says "there is no evidence for any connection of the symbol with Islam or the Ottomans prior to its adoption in Ottoman flags in the late 18th century." in fact, the Byzantines used to use it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_and_crescent meanwhile, identification of the woman of the apocalypse with Mary dates from the earliest years of the church. HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 08:14 on Mar 17, 2017 |
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It's bullshit as usual, she isn't stomping on the moon but simply standing on it, and it derives from this part of Revelation 12:1,quote:[A] woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars It doesn't say anywhere that the woman is supposed to be Mary, but by tradition she's widely identified with her. HEY GAIL posted:is that because they're nazis or because it was munich, compare that to, say, rural brandenburg Mostly because they were started in Munich of course - not only because Munich is Catholic, but also because paradoxically Munich Catholicism was both relatively liberal (ie political Catholicism was way weaker there than elsewhere in Bavaria, and many workers were still practising Catholics) and especially prone to a virulent antijudaism that went all the way up to Cardinal Faulhaber himself. That said, the early NSDAP didn't start with a fixed ideology or anything but instead was trying to find its niche between the Catholic, ultramontanist, rural and aristocratic BVP (the conservative party of political Catholicism) and the völkisch guys who were repelling many potential supporters by often being decidedly anti-Catholic. They did this by doubling down on promoting a “German“ Catholicism more or less independent from Rome, but also by being really Catholic. There was a time in the early 1920s when there was a ton priests supporting the NSDAP, while the party itself even went as far as regularly having said priests publicly say Mass for the welfare of the party, complete with blessing the SA flags. This proved to be a successful tactic, and the party grew considerably during those days to the chagrin of the BVP-supporting higher clergy. This development only ended when the NSDAP joined the völkisch-oriented “Kampfbund“ in preparation for the 1923 putsch. Hitler's most important ally Ludendorff was vehemently anti-Catholic, for example, and he was only the most prominent representative of this current within the völkisch movement. After the putsch had failed these tendencies also spread into the NSDAP via the Kampfbund while Hitler (who wasn't too excited by this development) was in jail and couldn't do anything. Consequently (and also because the economy grew better again), the NSDAP bombed horribly in consequent elections and never regained the strong position in Munich it had held for a couple of years before 1923. This development is exemplified by Himmler, by the way, who grew up an extremely devout Catholic, tried and failed to keep up the Catholic element in the party alive after the putsch and as far as we know last attended Mass in 1924. And we all know what his thoughts about Catholicism and Christianity were later on. Re: Hitler ending that what Luther began: this is funny, because one of the NSDAP's most important ideologues of the early 1920s, Dietrich Eckart, postulated in one of his books that Luther had had some good ideas, but he had also opened the door to hidden Jewish rule in Germany, and therefore making Germany Catholic again was the only way to restore the former glory of the fatherland. System Metternich fucked around with this message at 08:27 on Mar 17, 2017 |
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System Metternich posted:Re: Hitler ending that what Luther began: this is funny, because one of the NSDAP's most important ideologues of the early 1920s postulated in one of his books that Luther had had some good ideas, but he had also opened the door to hidden Jewish rule in Germany, and therefore making Germany Catholic again was the only way to restore the former glory of the fatherland.
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I think it's more a reflection of the personal background of Dietrich Eckart (who had written this), actually. Eckart was the son of a Catholic mother and a Protestant father, and while his mother died early his father neglected him, so maybe it's no wonder that he grew critical of Protestantism partially because of that. But I bet that Eckart trying to move the party away from völkisch groups like the Thule society that to a good part consisted of Prussian émigrés in Munich and was critical of Catholicism at best and openly anti-Christian at worst also played a large role there, yeah
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it's difficult for me to even imagine what nazism would have been like when it wasn't voelkisch
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HEY GAIL posted:it's difficult for me to even imagine what nazism would have been like when it wasn't voelkisch Early 20th century conservatives, with more emphasis on soil than blood. That and a stronger religious element?
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Josef bugman posted:Early 20th century conservatives, with more emphasis on soil than blood. That and a stronger religious element?
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