|
|
#
?
Dec 30, 2023 13:22
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 3, 2024 15:53 |
|
|
Yeah, this is either IFCC (the speech bubble is pretty fire and brimstone colored), or Serini loving something up and dungeon defenses and monsters getting triggered, because the PC party does not simply waltz into the final dungeons unopposed. Or both. 
|
|
#
?
Dec 30, 2023 13:34
|
|
|
If Rich lets Sunny get hurt I will be very upset
|
|
#
?
Dec 30, 2023 14:38
|
|
|
"Entrance" may mean the introduction of someone new, corroborated by the unique bubble.
|
|
#
?
Dec 30, 2023 15:04
|
|
|
It's a little late in the story for anything that's not related to the main plot, so I'm guessing IFCC, possibly intervening through something in the dungeon.
|
|
#
?
Dec 30, 2023 15:52
|
|
|
I wonder if this is the gold(?) dragon that Sunny had a drawing of earlier: https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1257.html The colors match up: deep orange to yellow.
|
|
#
?
Dec 30, 2023 16:21
|
|
|
SKULL.GIF posted:I wonder if this is the gold(?) dragon that Sunny had a drawing of earlier: https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1257.html That's Serini and Kraagor fighting a dragon, I think. Kraagor is dead by the time Serini starts building this place.
|
|
#
?
Dec 30, 2023 16:40
|
|
|
I'm pretty sure it's a monster sirini made a trap out of in the next room, one with domination abilities. It doesn't need to be a new antagonist per se to throw a wrench in the works
|
|
#
?
Dec 30, 2023 16:56
|
|
|
Nenonen posted:That's Serini and Kraagor fighting a dragon, I think. Kraagor is dead by the time Serini starts building this place. Oh, I guess you're right. Probably that was just a random focus to fill a panel.
|
|
#
?
Dec 30, 2023 17:08
|
|
|
ikanreed posted:I'm pretty sure it's a monster sirini made a trap out of in the next room, one with domination abilities. It doesn't need to be a new antagonist per se to throw a wrench in the works But all monsters should currently be in stasis, right?
|
|
#
?
Dec 30, 2023 21:42
|
|
|
oobey posted:But all monsters should currently be in stasis, right? Theory: Sunny had gone far enough before being told to stop that the monster trap triggered. Might even be a good overengineering to make a walkway and then make the trap spring when someone levitates over or next to it, because the bridge is so obvious trap.
|
|
#
?
Dec 31, 2023 00:25
|
|
|
Oh poor Sunny...
|
|
#
?
Dec 31, 2023 00:35
|
|
|
oobey posted:But all monsters should currently be in stasis, right? Well if you were in magical stasis and you wanted out, and a mobile anti-magic field just happened to walk by...
|
|
#
?
Dec 31, 2023 01:04
|
|
|
I feel like IFCC is more likely because I feel like we're past the Order causing bad things to happen when trying to do good things.
|
|
#
?
Dec 31, 2023 02:26
|
|
|
Nenonen posted:That's Serini and Kraagor fighting a dragon, I think. Kraagor is dead by the time Serini starts building this place. That's true, but it doesn't mean they actually killed the dragon. Anyway, I hope Sunny gets out okay, and those special speech bubbles look great (and ominous).
|
|
#
?
Dec 31, 2023 02:31
|
|
|
Zombie Dachshund posted:If Rich lets Sunny get hurt I will be very upset Literally had the exact same reaction
|
|
#
?
Dec 31, 2023 03:59
|
|
|
So will my daughter lol she will wreck poo poo
|
|
#
?
Dec 31, 2023 04:02
|
|
|
Raenir Salazar posted:I feel like IFCC is more likely because I feel like we're past the Order causing bad things to happen when trying to do good things. How would they do that?
|
|
#
?
Dec 31, 2023 18:30
|
|
|
Gun Jam posted:How would they do that? One theory posted above I think was that they accidentally triggered on of the stasis pods to open.
|
|
#
?
Dec 31, 2023 19:27
|
|
|
Sunny has that Anti-Antimagic lens over her main eye as recently as here, so I'm leaning towards the IFCC being up to shenanigans rather than accidentally letting some big nasty out of stasis. Whatever it is also describes Sunny as a fascinating tool, implying some greater plan than "get out and wreck poo poo", which is what most stasis'd monsters would be thinking imo.
|
|
#
?
Jan 1, 2024 01:35
|
|
|
This late in the game, the only ‘new’ major character that makes sense to introduce for me is the Snarl itself, or something from within the rift that is associated with it. That’s a shoe that has been waiting to drop for a long time now E: even the way Sunny is seemingly entranced seems reminiscent of how Blackwing was entranced when peering into the Azure City rift Slashrat fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Jan 1, 2024 |
|
#
?
Jan 1, 2024 01:56
|
|
|
Slashrat posted:This late in the game, the only ‘new’ major character that makes sense to introduce for me is the Snarl itself, or something from within the rift that is associated with it. That’s a shoe that has been waiting to drop for a long time now That's... actually a good point, and Sunny did also have an image of the Snarl in their drawings. With reality breaking down, maybe the Snarl is able to take more of a direct hand, and ISN'T the unintelligent creature it's been presented as.
|
|
#
?
Jan 1, 2024 04:43
|
|
|
Slashrat posted:E: even the way Sunny is seemingly entranced seems reminiscent of how Blackwing was entranced when peering into the Azure City rift Not really. Blackwing was shocked, not stupefied. Sunny seems pretty dominated, Blackwing was just in awe.
|
|
#
?
Jan 1, 2024 09:26
|
|
|
So why are elves good at searching for things anyway?
|
|
#
?
Jan 1, 2024 09:51
|
|
|
Clarste posted:So why are elves good at searching for things anyway? Well, D&D cribbed a lot of its character archetype stuff from Tolkien, so maybe it has something to do with Elrond having knowledge/understanding of the secret way into the Lonely Mountain, or the secret Elvish door into Moria. I'm trying to think about whether Legolas ever does anything secret door related, but I can't think of anything.
|
|
#
?
Jan 1, 2024 10:22
|
|
|
They can echo locate the slightest details in a wall with their big ears. It's canon now.
|
|
#
?
Jan 1, 2024 11:28
|
|
|
DontMockMySmock posted:Well, D&D cribbed a lot of its character archetype stuff from Tolkien, so maybe it has something to do with Elrond having knowledge/understanding of the secret way into the Lonely Mountain, or the secret Elvish door into Moria. I'm trying to think about whether Legolas ever does anything secret door related, but I can't think of anything. Legolas could use his elf eyes to see where they were taking the hobbits (to Isengard).
|
|
#
?
Jan 1, 2024 12:04
|
|
|
I think it's just that Tolkien elves had very good senses, like sight or hearing.
|
|
#
?
Jan 1, 2024 12:09
|
|
|
Tenebrais posted:Legolas could use his elf eyes to see where they were taking the hobbits (to Isengard). But can he see why kids love cinnamon toast crunch?
|
|
#
?
Jan 1, 2024 12:11
|
|
|
pretty sure it's just "elfs have keen senses and would notice someone sneaking up on them even if they weren't actively on guard" that had a silly interaction with another rule If I remember my 3e, every character is always making passive search checks, which are limited in what they can uncover, but lets the GM roll for, say, noticing a narrow passageway or an NPC trying to approach unseen. One specific limitation is that you can't spot secret doors without an active search check, but elves get the elf awareness feat, which makes their passive search checks as good as anyone else's active search checks, so they are the only creature in the multiverse that can spot a secret door by chance. or are passive search checks not a thing, and those are just plain old spot/listen checks? eh, something along those lines
|
|
#
?
Jan 1, 2024 13:52
|
|
|
Nah, it's pre-3E. I wanna say this is AD&D rules, elves have a special mechanic (not associated with the thief's percentile skill system) where they can roll dice to discover secret doors. It's a weird one especially because the only other mechanic for spotting things is the thief's Find Traps percentile skill. You were presumably meant to work your way through a dungeon by having an elf and a thief trade off peering at things, with all the gaps in that equation filled in by grilling the DM and prodding the flagstones with a ten foot pole.
|
|
#
?
Jan 1, 2024 14:56
|
|
|
 Elves being good at finding doors is from original D&D. It's trickled down into various mechanical implementations from that point on.
|
|
#
?
Jan 1, 2024 15:16
|
|
|
I love "of course the DM can just make things harder"
|
|
#
?
Jan 1, 2024 15:38
|
|
|
Colonel Cool posted:
Remember that waaaay back in the original D&D there was no distinction between race and class. Your choices were fighter, mage, cleric, thief, elf, and dwarf.
|
|
#
?
Jan 1, 2024 16:15
|
|
|
It always should have been Dwarves that could detect secret doors. They are the stonework experts and craftsmen who can instantly tell you what the incline of any floor is.
|
|
#
?
Jan 1, 2024 16:18
|
|
|
John Wick of Dogs posted:It always should have been Dwarves that could detect secret doors. They are the stonework experts and craftsmen who can instantly tell you what the incline of any floor is. They did get a bonus to it for doors that were stone.
|
|
#
?
Jan 1, 2024 16:22
|
|
|
I'd also maybe give a Watsonian explanation of well actually, all Dungeons were originally Elven fortresses lost long ago in the war against Evil, the passive bonus for secret doors is just them remembering that a secret door was there.
|
|
#
?
Jan 1, 2024 17:19
|
|
|
ikanreed posted:They did get a bonus to it for doors that were stone. If I recall correctly, it was all stonework that Dwarves got a bonus too. So they could tell if they were going up or down, if it was new, all that kind of stuff and stone doors just got lumped in with it.
|
|
#
?
Jan 1, 2024 17:27
|
|
|
Android Blues posted:Nah, it's pre-3E. Colonel Cool posted:
Huh, I had no idea! In that case,  , I guess Gygax and friends lost their thief somewhere in a proto-adventure where the GM was planning on them finding a secret door, and decided that, ok, elfs have a different mechanism for detecting hidden doors, because we happen to have an elf that's still kickin.
|
|
#
?
Jan 1, 2024 17:53
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 3, 2024 15:53 |
|
|
It's just what their elf eyes see.
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2024 20:01
|
|