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etalian posted:Bad dems fear the Bernie bloc since if the Bernie bloc is successful the donor class will get a much harder life especially if they actually get locked up in jail for their economic crimes. also they prey off existing consultancy and lobbying positions and those go bye-bye its just about their own jobs and nothing else.
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Former Everything posted:Ugh you don't believe that i and others are being persecuted and spit upon by the dem party because of Tom Perez being dnc chair and Keith Ellison being deputy chair wow you sure are retarded Democrats are basically impossible to get involved with in the states where they're strong, with the only real exception of California. I think that's probably because of the open primary system there, where if people wanted to kick Feinstein outta the party they'd have to make her 3rd in a contest with all contenders, including Republican candidates. They're also pretty corporate friendly, pretty useless, pretty corrupt, pretty... basically any word you can think of. In NYS we have a goddamn insurgent breakaway state dem faction that votes with republicans. Two of them are from NYC! New york! Solid Blue! Where goddamn Hillary and Schumer come from, and the state senate is controlled by the republicans BECAUSE democrats vote with them. The dems are in deep poo poo, dude. There's a strong populist movement that's out there protesting like every day, and the dems don't make it easy to get involved from them. You're probably looking at 50 bux on up fundraisers for meetings most of the time in these places. Bronx Dems' events page is still a 404. The reason people are getting upset at a Perez pick is they want the democratic party to change, cause it's sucked a lot for a long time, and this is a bit of a "we don't need you" to the people motivated and trying to get involved cause fuckin' Trump is the president and now we all have to deal with that poo poo.
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anime was right posted:also they prey off existing consultancy and lobbying positions and those go bye-bye Also the DNC is basically a way the donor class to land jobs and connections for their spoiled Ivy league college offspring
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Former Everything posted:Maybe you can tell me in this thread more about how centrist dems are fascist. After screaming "Manchin" real loud in the trump thread didn't work, I didn't hear back from you. maybe you have a problem with selective reading, as you seem to have now in this very thread
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Feb 26, 2017 01:10
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loquacius posted:so have you read twitter in the last year or gently caress. Twitter. I didn't even consider that Twitter would prove your "dems hate progressives and that hatred directs their every move" theory. I bow to the Twitter proof, I guess.
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Feb 26, 2017 01:11
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Former Everything posted:Wait, Kentucky is centrist dem central and has recently had dem governor and dem house control. How the gently caress would Kentucky's dem party (which again is centrist as gently caress and resistant to overly progressive policies to the point that Alison's Grimes ran from every single one of Obamas progressive positions during the last senate election) be result accepting of super progressive full socialism now positions to the point where t would be literally retarded to imagine that the state party would be threatened by them at all. You are incoherent. Kentucky is not a state where the dems in charge have to worry about a leftist insurgency upsetting their sweet deal and where most of the dems are only dems because its easier to win with a D than an R. You are effectively arguing against your own point here
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Feb 26, 2017 01:11
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:i responded with feinstein, who has supported police state policies and attacked the state-run medical care apparatus Feinstein is a fascist. The assertion of someone who is truly winning the "centrist dems are fascists" fight.
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Feb 26, 2017 01:12
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loquacius posted:Option A) is a ridiculous strawman, and option B) is a whole lot of weasel words postulating the existence of a debate that there sure didn't seem to be any public evidence of. All the arguments anyone ever made in favor of Perez were about how he is a Team Player who Plays For His Team, not anything about focus groups or demographics or whatever. Of course there was no public debate, the DNC chair election is entirely a backroom dealing thing All those debates were just to get the candidates in front of focus groups without being too obvious about it The thing you're missing is that The Establishment put two of "their guys" in the mix. one got the chairmanship, the other got the vice-chairmanship
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Former Everything posted:Feinstein is a fascist. The assertion of someone who is truly winning the "centrist dems are fascists" fight. this is a common "centrist" position and to say it is otherwise is a good day to you sir because your head is permanently embedded inside your intestinal cavity
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At my congress critters townhall today a young guy who campaigned for Hill complained how hosed up it was that he had no message to spread or money to spread it with. The congress lady basically told him to get hosed in so many words and didn't want any more questions about the party. My take away: these are people who care about winning.
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Feb 26, 2017 01:14
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https://twitter.com/TomPerez/status/835622756976889857 What a dweeb.
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SKULL.GIF posted:Because Perez has a history of cooperating with the establishment wing and has proven himself to be tractable in this very same election. Btw in a non-argument setting this is pretty close to my Real Opinion. Perez is fine as a person and will probably work with Ellison to do the same thing they'd have done if the results had gone the other way around, and this way Ellison even gets to keep his Congress seat, but this would have been an easy bone to throw the left to ease factional wounds and they just couldn't make themselves do it for whatever reason (pride) (it's pride) Former Everything posted:gently caress. Twitter. I didn't even consider that Twitter would prove your "dems hate progressives and that hatred directs their every move" theory. all I'm saying is that your apparent "factional struggle, what factional struggle  I don't understand what you are talking about, there is no factional strife within the Democratic Party whatsoever" opinion is easily disproven by taking a casual glance at something called "The Internet"
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Feb 26, 2017 01:14
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"It's actually good that Perez won and I have actually NOT been owned by the Democratic Party" - libs
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etalian posted:This is why bad dems hate Bernie and his supporters Because he's actually M.O.D.O.K.*? ___ *Mutant Organism Designed Only for Kommunism
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etalian posted:This is why bad dems hate Bernie and his supporters Like Jesus, Bernie is a Jew sent to suffer for our sins.
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Feb 26, 2017 01:16
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Main Paineframe posted:Of course there was no public debate, the DNC chair election is entirely a backroom dealing thing Then encouraging Perez to join the race and heavily favoring him was even more completely unnecessary, as they could have just asked "their other guy" to make Perez vice chair later after he won
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Feb 26, 2017 01:16
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Baloogan posted:butigeig was your only hope
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Grondoth posted:Democrats are basically impossible to get involved with in the states where they're strong, with the only real exception of California. I think that's probably because of the open primary system there, where if people wanted to kick Feinstein outta the party they'd have to make her 3rd in a contest with all contenders, including Republican candidates. They're also pretty corporate friendly, pretty useless, pretty corrupt, pretty... basically any word you can think of. In NYS we have a goddamn insurgent breakaway state dem faction that votes with republicans. Two of them are from NYC! New york! Solid Blue! Where goddamn Hillary and Schumer come from, and the state senate is controlled by the republicans BECAUSE democrats vote with them. Wow. You'd think they'd have gotten voted out by all those leftists who hate them, then. Kinda weird that they still have their seats since we've already established that centrists can't win elections and will always lose
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maybe perez won because hes awful at public speaking, meek as hell, and a total wonk, he's just like the majority of the democratic party leadership!
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anime was right posted:maybe perez won because hes awful at public speaking, meek as hell, and a total wonk, he's just like the majority of the democratic party leadership!
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Feb 26, 2017 01:18
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loquacius posted:Then encouraging Perez to join the race and heavily favoring him was even more completely unnecessary, as they could have just asked "their other guy" to make Perez vice chair later after he won The establishment isn't a monolithic hivemind Some people in the establishment wanted one progressive. Some other people in the establishment wanted another progressive. Voila, just like that, two establishment candidates
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loquacius posted:Btw in a non-argument setting this is pretty close to my Real Opinion. Perez is fine as a person and will probably work with Ellison to do the same thing they'd have done if the results had gone the other way around, and this way Ellison even gets to keep his Congress seat, but this would have been an easy bone to throw the left to ease factional wounds and they just couldn't make themselves do it for whatever reason (pride) (it's pride) Jesus gently caress you're the biggest martyr. No one is saying there aren't factions or that those factions don't have some friction. Your actual words were that the Obama wing hated the Bernie wing and that's the only reason Perez was elected or, apparently, even put his hat in the ring in the first place. That's a crazy belief if you actually hold it.
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Feb 26, 2017 01:18
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Main Paineframe posted:Obviously the Dems thought they thought the working class would like Perez more, at the cost of Bernie diehards liking him less, which they deemed to be an acceptable trade-off lmao if you think "what the working class would like" has crossed the minds of dems for even a second.
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Grondoth posted:The reason people are getting upset at a Perez pick is they want the democratic party to change, cause it's sucked a lot for a long time, and this is a bit of a "we don't need you" to the people motivated and trying to get involved cause fuckin' Trump is the president and now we all have to deal with that poo poo. Yep. I don't give much of a poo poo about Perez himself. The fact that we can't even get a bone thrown to us in the form of the fuckin DNC chair is pretty much it. Worthless rear end Dems just got owned harder than possibly anyone in history and the message is still 'Nah, this is fine. Don't question us.'
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Bear Retrieval Unit posted:lmao if you think "what the working class would like" has crossed the minds of dems for even a second. they just assume the answer is "to be replaced with robots and then ground into a nutrient paste" they care about the working class a great deal you see
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it's funny how former everything gets triggered by hyperbole because he generates it himself out of others' posts merely disagreeing with him
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Main Paineframe posted:The establishment isn't a monolithic hivemind Schumer was all prepared to join the Sanders wing shortly after the election, because he doesn't know what the gently caress he is doing and turned immediately to someone who did, but not everybody followed Schumer's lead. We are in agreement on this, but seem to disagree on their motivations (pride) (it's pride) Former Everything posted:JYour actual words were that the Obama wing hated the Bernie wing and that's the only reason Perez was elected or, apparently, even put his hat in the ring in the first place. That's a crazy belief if you actually hold it. That statement, even heavily distorted like it was in your paraphrasing of it, can be further paraphrased to "there is friction between the factions of the Democratic Party". Which there is. You just said so yourself. How loving nuts must I be???? I've never seen your posts before tonight but you are already the loving worst poster, I swear to Christ
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Bear Retrieval Unit posted:lmao if you think "what the working class would like" has crossed the minds of dems for even a second. "and finally, I'd like to thank Goldman Sachs for paying to have me here today so I could discuss frankly with them the concerns of the working class and poor. I'm sure it's been eye-opening for all of us. Enjoy the lobster risotto."
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Former Everything posted:Jesus gently caress you're the biggest martyr. No one is saying there aren't factions or that those factions don't have some friction. Your actual words were that the Obama wing hated the Bernie wing and that's the only reason Perez was elected or, apparently, even put his hat in the ring in the first place. That's a crazy belief if you actually hold it. Hey man, your posts come off as cocaine fueled anger. Jesus Christ dude, chill out a bit.
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Keith Ellison is not establishment, but the more important thing is that Keith Ellison actually gives a poo poo about the human beings living in America, looking forward to him stepping down during the Democratic primary in 2020 because he can't be impartial with Bernie running, followed by Tom Perez ensuring Hillary Clinton is the 2020 Democratic Party nominee, then watching Hillary Clinton lose to Donald Trump, again.
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Main Paineframe posted:Wow. You'd think they'd have gotten voted out by all those leftists who hate them, then. Kinda weird that they still have their seats since we've already established that centrists can't win elections and will always lose u dim??? All those blockades are there to stop left-wing challenges from within the system. Like... that's their purpose, because centrists in blue areas have to worry about challenges from their left that they're not representing them. By making it so dang hard to get involved in politics, it stops people agitated with the system from getting involved to change things within the system. This, though, leaves local politics in these areas barren and weak and full of old hands and people already connected. I haven't seen a local party thing around here where "the regulars" weren't old ladies and a couple of guys in suits who run the thing. If you're trying to smugly say that the left isn't organized enough to take these people down, well... yeah? That's the point? Who's gonna organize them? They aren't wanted in the democrats, it's hard to get involved with the democrats, they're very obviously angry at the republicans and aren't gonna join them, third parties are a joke, and politics just isn't important enough for most people for them to just organically organize together. But yo, there's a lot of energy to be found if the dems would say "this is your party now, kids, let's make some things happen." I done seen it with my eyes.
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I'm thinking, what would be the discussion going on if Ellison had won? Feel like there would be a lot more unity right now.
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Sorry if it's already been said but will Ellison be staying in congress? I know he said he would resign his seat if he became chair but I think he can manage congress and holding a symbolic position in the dnc.
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The Nastier Nate posted:Sorry if it's already been said but will Ellison be staying in congress? I know he said he would resign his seat if he became chair but I think he can manage congress and holding a symbolic position in the dnc.
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