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Take the plunge! Okay! posted:Yugoslavia has never been behind the Iron Curtain, Serbia is almost 100% Orthodox, Italy needs to look up bluechew The original Iron Curtain laid out in Churchill's speech was Stettin on the Baltic to Trieste on the Adriatic. It was always a bullshit term but there it is.
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Eastern Europe should include only Poland and Ukraine, since they inevitably seem to be the angriest about being classified as such.
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Jul 22, 2019 19:00
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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PittTheElder posted:Eastern Europe should include only Poland and Ukraine, since they inevitably seem to be the angriest about being classified as such. I feel like Ukraine is probably the most Eastern European place that ever Eastern Europeaned. With Russia and Belorussia and the like it's a bit too eastern, and Moldova/Bulgaria have a bit of Southern European flair to them.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:In a bizarre twist of fate, at one point the director of the UNPO was one Karl Habsburg-Lothringen. Losing their empire and then losing their other empire hasn't stopped the Habsburgs from being very involved in international politics. They're also huge supporters of the EU. There's zero evidence that they're trying to marry their way into running it, but historical precedent...
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PittTheElder posted:Eastern Europe should include only Poland and Ukraine, since they inevitably seem to be the angriest about being classified as such.
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Private Speech posted:I feel like Ukraine is probably the most Eastern European place that ever Eastern Europeaned. With Russia and Belorussia and the like it's a bit too eastern, and Moldova/Bulgaria have a bit of Southern European flair to them. Ya basically. poo poo, the Baltics are turning into a mini-Scandanavia at this point. East-West is turning into more and more of a meaningless distinction since almost everywhere in Europe is resembling "the West" more and more. North vs. South is a more interesting cultural divide in 2019. Also Balkan-not Balkan.
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Jul 22, 2019 20:02
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Bit rich grouping Kazakhstan, Turkey, Morocco and the Netherlands, but sure, I'll roll with it.
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Jul 22, 2019 20:21
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The true divisions of Europe: I'm very interested in how the entirety of Cyprus is a Russian puppet.
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Jul 22, 2019 20:50
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The true divisions of Europe: The 6 regions of Europe: West, North, East, South, Central, and Muslim.
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Jul 22, 2019 22:00
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I think my favorite thing about that picture is that exactly 2/3 of the balearic islands are in southern europe instead of all or none
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Jul 22, 2019 22:17
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Pook Good Mook posted:The 6 regions of Europe: West, North, East, South, Central, and Muslim. The secret seventh region is Greenland.
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Jul 22, 2019 22:24
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Orange Devil posted:The secret seventh region is Greenland. Looks Muslim grey to me.
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Jul 22, 2019 22:33
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https://twitter.com/mcimaps/status/1152794147499253761?s=21 1960 to 1964 presidential swing, red is more Republican
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buddhist nudist posted:I'm very interested in how the entirety of Cyprus is a Russian puppet. Everything is purchased with laundered Russian cash
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Badger of Basra posted:https://twitter.com/mcimaps/status/1152794147499253761?s=21 Even back then Florida was more southern the further north you went.
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Badger of Basra posted:https://twitter.com/mcimaps/status/1152794147499253761?s=21 Its really such a shame Alabama didn't get the Western half of Florida's panhandle. Both from a logic/pretty maps point of view, and because without those votes Florida would probably be a bit more reasonable. And they wouldn't make much difference in Alabama.
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Alabama did get a chunk of the western part of the Florida panhandle. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Florida Imagine if the original Florida had been annexed as it was and was a state today.
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Jul 23, 2019 00:46
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Pook Good Mook posted:The 6 regions of Europe: West, North, East, South, Central, and Muslim. Asia and Africa are in Europe now?
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Weembles posted:Asia and Africa are in Europe now?
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Alabama did get a chunk of the western part of the Florida panhandle. You'd have another California.
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Follow up to the earlier 1960 -> 1964 map https://twitter.com/mcimaps/status/1152666870333526020
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buddhist nudist posted:I'm very interested in how the entirety of Cyprus is a Russian puppet. Elyv posted:I think my favorite thing about that picture is that exactly 2/3 of the balearic islands are in southern europe instead of all or none
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Jul 23, 2019 05:43
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How similar is Copenhagen to Arkhangelsk?
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Arkhangelsk is somewhat cheerier.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The true divisions of Europe: Finally Estonia gets to be in the club with the good countries
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buddhist nudist posted:I'm very interested in how the entirety of Cyprus is a Russian puppet. Cyber Prussia.
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Kassad posted:I'm the Chinese provinces turned into countries that will get curbstomped in a couple years. Is there something specifically dumb about an independent Zhuang state? Aside from like the belief that China would just eat everybody surrounding itself?
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Sampatrick posted:Is there something specifically dumb about an independent Zhuang state? Aside from like the belief that China would just eat everybody surrounding itself? No you've pretty much nailed it.
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Dommolus Magnus posted:I get that reconquering Thracia is the wet dream of Greek (and many other European) reactionaries, but what is the logic behind returning Silesia to Czechia and then remerging with Slovakia? Giving Greeks half of "Constantinople" and none of "Smyrna" is just going to make them even angrier.
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buddhist nudist posted:I'm very interested in how the entirety of Cyprus is a Russian puppet. Greek-Cypriots are very very pro-Russia, like both right and left. And there's lots of Russians living there (and banking there) to boot. It goes back a bit to the old Orthodox brotherhood thing that mainland Greeks can exhibit too, but also too the Cold War/Post-Colonial situation where the Greek-Cypriot nationalists hedged with the non-aligned pact and a bit with the Soviet sphere. At odds with the mainlanders, but also namely the Turks and Brits. Like when a NATO member is your colonial and then former colonial master, and another NATO member is (essentially) the FORMER former colonial master who still hovers over you with a watering mouth? Yeah the west wasn't so attractive to Greek-Cypriots back then, and even now. It didn't even have much to do with communism or capitalism either. Turkish-Cypriots were much more pro-west and anti-communist by comparison. So by pure coincidence that map is oddly not so off on that count. A Buttery Pastry posted:The clue is in the name. Cyprus is east of South East, Ibiza west of South West. Cypriots (and funnily enough mainland Turks) seem to prefer the term "Eurasian". Like a term specifically to distance from Eastern Europe and the Middle East baggage wise. Grape fucked around with this message at 05:33 on Jul 24, 2019 |
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Sampatrick posted:Is there something specifically dumb about an independent Zhuang state? Aside from like the belief that China would just eat everybody surrounding itself? Pook Good Mook posted:No you've pretty much nailed it. Yeah, this. All the breakaway provinces would be re-annexed within a few years, a couple decades at most if the map's Republic of China was a basket case. There's almost no way it wouldn't be massively irredentist.
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The problem with many independence movements is that they imagine themselves having a cake and eating it. imo They get the benefit of a big government that can pay for huge inversions and many of these regions are rich because have access to a huge market. If they where independent, they would have a much smaller government, so big inversions would not be feasible and they have access to a smaller market.
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Tei posted:The problem with many independence movements is that they imagine themselves having a cake and eating it. imo I don't know what you mean by "inversion", but this doesn't seem like a crucial problem within the European common market
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Ras Het posted:I don't know what you mean by "inversion", but this doesn't seem like a crucial problem within the European common market
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Ras Het posted:I don't know what you mean by "inversion", but this doesn't seem like a crucial problem within the European common market Nation-states only enter the EU or EFTA by unanimous agreement of the member countries. If, for example, Catalonia became an independent nation-state, it would not be in the EU. It would have to negotiate adhesion, and Spain could perfectly veto it. This was, famously, used as an argument against Scottish independence in the 2015 referendum. "If you leave the United Kingdom, you will also leave the European Union". And then, Brexit.
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Ras Het posted:I don't know what you mean by "inversion" It's a meteorological thing, you wouldn't understand
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Tei posted:The problem with many independence movements is that they imagine themselves having a cake and eating it. imo Quebecois laugh in the corner. Just talking about becoming independent caused businesses to flee Montreal (then the richest city in Canada) to Toronto and hollowed out their downtown and tax base for 20 years.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:this post and this dispute make me very happy Thanks! I learned a lot of weird stuff working on wiki's Territorial Evolution articles. Like, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Dakota.
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