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EvilHawk posted:I don't think Rafa is necessarily the answer either, but weren't a lot of the problems with his reign (I understandably fell out of football a bit by the end) caused by H+G's mismanagement? I.e. he couldn't bring in the players he wanted because there wasn't the funds to do so (or he had to sell players)? I think Rafa under FSG would be a very different prospect, though not touching the exciting football we've seen under Klopp and Rodgers. rafa was pretty hit or miss with transfers. He had some big wins (Reina, Kuyt, Masch, Torres, Xabi) but seems like he had a lot more stinkers and a couple of outright embarrassments. I may be pessimistic but I feel like more money would have just allowed him more Robbie Keanes and Aquilanis and club legend jermaine pennantses.
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Rooney pleaded guilty to a drunk.driving charge what's that mean in England cause in the states he'd catch a bunch of terrible PR, have to go to a rehab program and donate a bunch of money
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Waroduce posted:Rooney pleaded guilty to a drunk.driving charge what's that mean in England cause in the states he'd catch a bunch of terrible PR, have to go to a rehab program and donate a bunch of money Banned for 2 years and 100 hours community work I think
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bewbies posted:rafa was pretty hit or miss with transfers. He had some big wins (Reina, Kuyt, Masch, Torres, Xabi) but seems like he had a lot more stinkers and a couple of outright embarrassments. I may be pessimistic but I feel like more money would have just allowed him more Robbie Keanes and Aquilanis and club legend jermaine pennantses. Perhaps he should have a group of guys around him who could help scout players and arrange transfers Like a committee for transfers? Waroduce posted:Rooney pleaded guilty to a drunk.driving charge what's that mean in England cause in the states he'd catch a bunch of terrible PR, have to go to a rehab program and donate a bunch of money He is banned from driving (for two years?), has to pay a fine, and do a bunch of community service.
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Sep 21, 2017 17:32
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He had the Barry Hunter so I don't see what could have gone wrong?
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bewbies posted:rafa was pretty hit or miss with transfers. He had some big wins (Reina, Kuyt, Masch, Torres, Xabi) but seems like he had a lot more stinkers and a couple of outright embarrassments. I may be pessimistic but I feel like more money would have just allowed him more Robbie Keanes and Aquilanis and club legend jermaine pennantses. Iirc the only reason Aquilani was signed was because Roma let Liverpool pay like £2m a year for like 5 years. I think Rafa's eye for transfers is one of his best qualities. I have no problem blaming H&G's thriftiness for almost all of Rafa's transfer flops.
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Hashtag Banterzone posted:Iirc the only reason Aquilani was signed was because Roma let Liverpool pay like £2m a year for like 5 years. It seemed like Liverpool were decently funded up until those last couple years when the wheels fell off. Before that he had some bit hits and some misses, like any other manager.
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Considering that by the end Liverpool were essentially bankrupt (and only avoided the nine-point penalty by arguing that being repossessed isn't the same as going into administration), it wouldn't surprise me at all if Benitez at that point was given the same mandate as Roy Hodgson to go out and sign great players but also to spend no money whatsoever And now he works for Mike Ashley
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FullLeatherJacket posted:Considering that by the end Liverpool were essentially bankrupt Mind sourcing that. Never actually heard about that and would be kinda interested to read about it
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Sep 21, 2017 18:33
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sebzilla posted:He had the Barry Hunter so I don't see what could have gone wrong? he missed his quarry
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CyberPingu posted:Mind sourcing that. Never actually heard about that and would be kinda interested to read about it http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...at-Anfield.html It was real bad there for a while. I always felt sorry for Hodgson during that period. He got so much poo poo for his signings, but he was asked to sign star players with a budget of like £5m
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Sep 21, 2017 18:45
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CyberPingu posted:Mind sourcing that. Never actually heard about that and would be kinda interested to read about it https://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/sep/09/rbs-tom-hicks-george-gillett-sell-liverpool I mean, I'm simplifying a bit for the benefit of the argument - I don't believe that the club itself was ever a loss-making venture in and of itself, but the holding company that Hicks and Gillett ran couldn't service its debts, and the bank assumed direct control and sold the club for basically the exact value of the outstanding loan. Presumably if they were in any way solvent, they could have gone and refinanced their debts elsewhere rather than letting RBS rinse them. That they didn't pretty much indicates that the cupboards were bare at that point.
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Vegetable posted:It may be, and stick with me here this might be hard to follow, it may be that he's bad in the middle too He can't tackle, pass or shoot and has absolutely 0 footballing brain. Its amazing he spouts his personal delusions enough that people seem to think he actually is a central player. Carroll for £35m is a bargain compared to Oxlade-Chamberlain for the same price.
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Sep 21, 2017 19:38
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Transfer spend on defenders in the last two windows: Man Utd: 65m Chelsea: 105m Arsenal: 40m Spurs: 70m Man City: 220m  Liverpool: 13m If you're willing to spend more money on Ox than on buying defenders then you deserve all the idiotic set piece goals imo. Even Arsene spends more ffs
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blue footed boobie posted:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...at-Anfield.html this is a bad opinion
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TelekineticBear! posted:He can't tackle, pass or shoot and has absolutely 0 footballing brain. Its amazing he spouts his personal delusions enough that people seem to think he actually is a central player. He's loving terrible and i've hated him at Arsenal for at least three seasons. So glad he's gone. He will be riding the bench soon because Klopp will realize his error unlike Wenger.
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Sep 21, 2017 20:55
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Matip and Lovren might both be unavailable for the match against Leicester on Saturday due to injury. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/liverpool-news-injury-lovren-matip-emre-can-leicester-jurgen-klopp-a7959376.html Can't wait for Gomez and Klavan to chat poo poo and get banged. Contrary to what is stated in the report, Can is apparently okay (and Cheese and Vyelkin rejoyced).
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c0burn posted:this is a bad opinion It isn't.
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c0burn posted:this is a bad opinion £5m was about 20% of what he spent on Joe Cole's wages
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blue footed boobie posted:It isn't. people like Konchesky were never good enough and were never going to be
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Bea Nanner posted:people like Konchesky were never good enough and were never going to be That's not really the point, though. He was trying to make signings when Liverpool had basically no cash on hand. Konchesky was a bad signing for Liverpool, but so was basically anyone else he was going to sign for a couple million pounds.
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Strawman posted:£5m was about 20% of what he spent on Joe Cole's wages Totally forgot about this
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Sep 21, 2017 23:49
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Anyone who tries to claim R*fa is a good manager first needs to explain why forcing xabi Alonso out of the club in an attempt to get Gareth Barry that failed wasn't the worst transfer business between ali dia and oxchambo
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Sep 22, 2017 00:06
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elbkaida posted:Transfer spend on defenders in the last two windows: Spending money is bad, idiot.
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Newcastle have only conceded 1 goal in the past 3 games, with a terrible back line (on paper), so I'm jizzing all over Rafa like the most sentimental of scousers rn
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Byolante posted:Anyone who tries to claim R*fa is a good manager first needs to explain why forcing xabi Alonso out of the club in an attempt to get Gareth Barry that failed wasn't the worst transfer business between ali dia and oxchambo http://www.caughtoffside.com/2012/09/19/former-liverpool-boss-rafa-benitez-explains-why-he-wanted-to-swap-xabi-alonso-for-gareth-barry/ The reasoning involved the fact that Barry could play on the left. The whole idea is a bit of a mess and I think trying to make Liverpool a league challenger on a budget screwed up his brain. quote:“Barry was perfect: he could play as a central midfielder, of course, but he had some experience as an attacking left-back, which would be a useful option for home games where we were expected to go forward, and even as a left-winger.
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How does Alonso not quite perform at Liverpool then end up playing great for Madrid? Obviously it wasn't him
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TwoDogs1Cup posted:How does Alonso not quite perform at Liverpool then end up playing great for Madrid? Obviously it wasn't him I think Alonso asked to leave and Liverpool fans tried to fabricate some sort of story to rationalize it.
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TwoDogs1Cup posted:How does Alonso not quite perform at Liverpool then end up playing great for Madrid? Obviously it wasn't him He was playing really well at the time. It was just monumentally stupid of Rafa. Shrapnig posted:I think Alonso asked to leave and Liverpool fans tried to fabricate some sort of story to rationalize it. I seem to remember him asking to leave after The whole Barry thing.
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Brony Car posted:Contrary to what is stated in the report, Can is apparently okay (and Cheese and Vyelkin rejoyced). lol he bad imo Liverpool should try out co-managers again, let Klopp coach the front four and let Rafa coach the defence. The Transfer Committee can sign all the players. It's a foolproof plan and in the end we'll get relegated 
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blue footed boobie posted:He was playing really well at the time. It was just monumentally stupid of Rafa. I remember him having a drop in form at the end of his final season. But given his contributions to the club, it was foolish to write him off so quickly.
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https://twitter.com/ChelseaFC/status/910861681101873152 not a surprise, I suppose
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Bea Nanner posted:I remember him having a drop in form at the end of his final season. But given his contributions to the club, it was foolish to write him off so quickly. I wonder if his drop in form had anything to do with the manager trying to ship him out to make space for garreth barry lol
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Byolante posted:Anyone who tries to claim R*fa is a good manager first needs to explain why forcing xabi Alonso out of the club in an attempt to get Gareth Barry that failed wasn't the worst transfer business between ali dia and oxchambo In other words if H&G weren't broke scam artists Liverpool would've had a midfield rotation of Barry, Xabi Alonso, Masch and Gerrard.
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trem_two posted:https://twitter.com/ChelseaFC/status/910861681101873152 Just in case you need any more proof the transfer market is broken, Guardian says the fee is £57m. They signed him three years ago for 32m and I'm pretty sure he never signed another contract. So he went from "25" to "28" and has two years left and is refusing to play or sign for any other club and somehow that led to his value almost doubling.
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Athletico gets more money for selling players now too. The market being broken goes both ways.
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Nobody's gonna buy the grumpy autist who ruined the world cup for both spain and brazil.
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Vegetable posted:Athletico gets more money for selling players now too. The market being broken goes both ways. Yeah they can cover that fee and then some when United sign Griezmann in January.
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