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Hat Thoughts posted:i think that argument lands for something like Mathilde & some of the lines in Jackie (even tho that song's refrain is about Brel referring 2 himself by name) but I don't rly think the casual racism or the slur in Next necessarily adds to the characterization as opposed to muddling it slightly. These are valid and good points, and while I don't disagree, the blatant homophobia in Next fits in with the machismo military theme of the song. I don't like it, but having worked with veterans, homophobia as a form of humor/antagonism is prevalent in that culture. And a song that's playing with fear, sexuality and losing virginity as a rite of masculine passage, that works with it. I also just don't really like Next. It's my least favorite song from Scott 2. It's a little different than Bob Dylan using the n-word in Hurricane, for instance, despite it being a quote from African Americans and how they perceive the main character of the song, still just does not feel justified or fit well in 2018.
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Skwirl posted:I'm not even a big fan of the Branagh version (his strengths as a director make him much better at Shakespeare's dramas than comedies), but who the gently caress said that with a straight face? His version of Much Ado has a great cast and Keanu Reeves, though. quote:It's not even that the movie exists, Avengers clearly took something out of him and I'm happy he could unwind by playing with a video camera and his friends over a long weekend (slightly less happy now that I know he's a sex pest who cheated on his wife), and other people wanted to pay to watch it. But seriously? Amy Acker over Thompson, what the gently caress? It was just 2012 nerds on social media still high off the Avengers. I still like Buffy and Angel but that period was actually where I started going off Whedon; a combination of getting tired of people insisting that Firefly was a groundbreaking work of genius, that he was the best and most creative writer ever and was (no joke) "the only person in Hollywood who cares about social justice" (seriously) and seeing him at Q&A panels where he came off as being incredibly impressed with his own cleverness. Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 00:21 on Nov 7, 2018 |
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Fun fact, Not only is Emma Thompson an academy award winning actress, she's an academy award winning screenwriter.
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Franchescanado posted:Waaaay before the Burton movie. It really isn't that good. The dialogue is idiotic and redundant, the acting is over-the-top, the set design looks like this: I mean, I watched Invisible Invaders from the same year earlier today and it really wasn't any better. Though admittedly, yeah, Invaders is bad because it's so boring, poorly paced, and half-baked. Plan 9 is at least interesting, so I get what you're saying. But the stylized, almost theatrical sets of Plan 9 look a whole lot more interesting than many of its contemporaries that just look totally forgettable.
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Wheat Loaf posted:It was Much Ado About Nothing that Whedon did; he had members of his usual posse and Clark Gregg filling out the cast. Good God, my ex loved the poo poo out of that movie and all I could say was "... why?"
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TIL Michael Caine has a very different definition of "optimistic" than I do. https://twitter.com/41Strange/status/1059955400987107328
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feedmyleg posted:Speaking of bad movies, how did Plan 9 from Outer Space get its reputation of worst movie of all time? I'm watching it now and sure it's cheap 50s sci-fi schlock, but it's far better written, directed, and paced than a lot of other 50s sci-fi schlock I've seen. Was it before the Burton movie or because of it? There was a book written by Michael Medved and his brother (before the former’s slide into demagoguery) called “The Golden Turkey Awards” published in the late 70s. I believe it was the first place to champion “Plan 9” as the worst movie ever. It also helped rescue Ed Wood from almost-complete obscurity.
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What was the ironically popular bad movie before Plan 9? Reefer Madness?
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Liberal Idiot posted:There was a book written by Michael Medved and his brother (before the former’s slide into demagoguery) called “The Golden Turkey Awards” published in the late 70s. I believe it was the first place to champion “Plan 9” as the worst movie ever. It also helped rescue Ed Wood from almost-complete obscurity. The Dissolve had an alright piece on Plan 9 for basic background and yeah, the short answer is Michael Medved. I always figured Ed Wood's prominence in paracinema history was a right place/right time kind of thing within the broader history of camp. He happened to be making queer-coded, ostensibly "amateurish" genre movies at the same time that the camp sensibility was starting to extend beyond queer audiences. And for more right-wing viewers, the queerness of something like Plan 9 can be subsumed within the overall "badness" of the movie and subjected to public mockery. So it's kind of a win-win no matter where you fall in the culture wars. (Notes on "Camp" doesn't directly address this, but it's always good context when you're talking about the Bad Movies Discourse.)
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I actually like Bride of the Monster/Atom more than Plan 9.
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Franchescanado posted:I actually like Bride of the Monster/Atom more than Plan 9. Bride has “He tampered in God’s domain,” so yeah.
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Wheat Loaf posted:What was the ironically popular bad movie before Plan 9? Reefer Madness? Sontag talks about "stag movies seen without lust" as a canonical element of camp, so I would imagine it's a handful of gay dudes in NYC in 1954 watching a porno flick and not jacking off
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Friends Are Evil posted:...And Corey Stewart lost immediately. According to whom? I didn't recognize the name and Google says he's got 2/3rds of the vote (with admittedly only 1% reporting).
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Skwirl posted:According to whom? I didn't recognize the name and Google says he's got 2/3rds of the vote (with admittedly only 1% reporting). CNN and CBS both projected Tim Kaine right when polls closed. Speaking of Corey Stewart, this thread owns: https://twitter.com/wsteaks/status/1059955121512161280?s=21
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Skwirl posted:TIL Michael Caine has a very different definition of "optimistic" than I do. He's English. Their entire culture is basically a fancy death cult.
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Franchescanado posted:Waaaay before the Burton movie. It really isn't that good. The dialogue is idiotic and redundant, the acting is over-the-top, the set design looks like this: Plan 9 really isn't that bad. And some of the quirks like that shot are the result of not being framed correctly. Ed Wood actually shot Plan 9 with the intention of it being shown at 1.85:1 like any other studio picture. It's still a cheap movie, but it's like how people can see dolly tracks in the unmatted Pee-Wee's Big Adventure, but not in the proper widescreen. A lot of the usual bad movies are from the Medved Bros. book on bad movies and... it has some absolutely idiotic choices. For example, they include Last Year at Marienbad, Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia, Ivan the Terrible, Swamp Women, and Zabriskie Point among Eegah, Plan 9, and Santa Claus Conquers the Martians. (Also, I think Glen or Glenda is one of the great debut features, alongside Citizen Kane, Blood Simple, and Night of the Living Dead)
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Glen or Glenda is like a fevered dream. It owns.
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sponges posted:Glen or Glenda is like a fevered dream. It owns. Whom amongst us has not enjoyed a fevered dream?
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After watching a glut of 1950s sci-fi movies over the past few days... Do any of them actually have something vaguely resembling actual teenagers, or at least characters that are more stereotypical cool teens? The Blob is the closest I've probably encountered.
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Franchescanado posted:These are valid and good points, and while I don't disagree, the blatant homophobia in Next fits in with the machismo military theme of the song. I don't like it, but having worked with veterans, homophobia as a form of humor/antagonism is prevalent in that culture. And a song that's playing with fear, sexuality and losing virginity as a rite of masculine passage, that works with it. I also just don't really like Next. It's my least favorite song from Scott 2. ya fair enough and i'll admit part of my feelings is that i want 2 listen to the song without cringing & i love 2 play music for other ppl but not happenin with that one (or holida y in cambodia tbh)
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Eh, we got the House so at the very least the Republicans haven't completely locked in their permanent one-party rule yet. (Also Florida felons got their vote back.) 2016 I was a loving mess, this time, I'll take it.
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The Peccadillo posted:I tried to tune into the Chapo Trap House stream to see what was happening with the elections and it appears twitch took it down because Matt was blackout drunk, so I assume it's going well It's still up, they're just taking hourly breaks
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Lol every Dem Senate candidate who yammered about reaching across the aisle to build the wall ate poo poo
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The Peccadillo posted:I tried to tune into the Chapo Trap House stream to see what was happening with the elections and it appears twitch took it down because Matt was blackout drunk, so I assume it's going well People in twitch chat were worried Matt would give himself whiplash
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I Before E posted:Whom amongst us has not enjoyed a fevered dream? We are all interested in fevered dreams, for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives.
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Things really cooled down after Matt was forcibly removed for having a heated politics moment but Ben Shapiro's guest spot was funny.
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I Before E posted:Things really cooled down after Matt was forcibly removed for having a heated politics moment but Ben Shapiro's guest spot was funny. I'm bummed I missed blackout drunk screaming Matt, but good sign off test picture, too 
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The Peccadillo posted:I'm bummed I missed blackout drunk screaming Matt, but good sign off test picture, too He was waving like a car dealership blowup man, it ruled
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Goddamn the guy that runs McKamny Manor owner needs to get punched in the face 1000 times holy gently caress. I hate this man.
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CelticPredator posted:Goddamn the guy that runs McKamny Manor owner needs to get punched in the face 1000 times holy gently caress. I hate this man. Is that one of those haunted houses where they beat you up and sexually assault you?
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Those are so weird, in what kind of hosed judicial system can you sign away bringing consequences to someone who assaulted you. I hope it doesn't work
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The Peccadillo posted:Is that one of those haunted houses where they beat you up and sexually assault you? That’s the one.
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CelticPredator posted:Goddamn the guy that runs McKamny Manor owner needs to get punched in the face 1000 times holy gently caress. I hate this man. Is there a specific thing or is this just about him being an all around scumbag who probably gets off on this? The Peccadillo posted:Those are so weird, in what kind of hosed judicial system can you sign away bringing consequences to someone who assaulted you. I hope it doesn't work I think you know exactly what kind. 
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He def gets off on it. I just watched that Netflix doc about haunted houses which sounded fun and light and there’s this ugly creepy fucker just coming in here telling people he won’t let them go because they’re too entertaining, and makes them puke and shoves their face in dog poo poo. He’s scum and I hope he gets punched.
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I'm trying to put together a vape pen and I think I'd rather just die from old fashioned dry leaves wrapped in paper, rather than fiddle around and suck on a smart cig
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