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When push really comes to shove, DeSantis is, at the end of the day, a Trump loyalist. He will bend the knee to Trump, all Trump needs to do is point down at his feet and DeSantis will be at shin-level to Trump before either man can even blink.
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Mar 31, 2023 01:13
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So I take it that with language like "Soros-backed" DeSantis has not typically been relying on the support of Jewish voters in FL?
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Mar 31, 2023 01:15
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Silly Burrito posted:If nothing else, it breaks the seal that you can charge a former president with a crime. This, yeah. Even if he walks in the end, this kills and buries all the confident "You can't indict a former president!" statements, so there's that much less pressure against it for other investigations to move right to charges.
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Mar 31, 2023 01:15
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Main Paineframe posted:
Nah this is exactly the kind of thing DeSantis loves. Easy credit for no work. It's not like they need Florida's cooperation to arrest Trump if he tried to stay put at Mar-a-lago.
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Mar 31, 2023 01:17
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PT6A posted:So I take it that with language like "Soros-backed" DeSantis has not typically been relying on the support of Jewish voters in FL? He tries to make up for it by ostentatiously slobbering all over Israel whenever the chance allows, thus consciously or not acting to reinforce the idea of the good ones (over there, oppressing Palestinians) vs. the bad ones (over here, doing anything at all we don't like).
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Mar 31, 2023 01:17
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BiggerBoat posted:So the Trump indictment is surely going to need its own thread, no? While I don’t think this is an unreasonable theory it seems to make the fundamental assumption that Trump’s base/brand can be strengthened any more than it has from - waves wildly at the last 8 years. If absolutely nothing else it’s good that a prosecutor and grand jury rejected the notion that the former president is above the law. And that theoretically sets a precedent. Edit: and THAT’s why they’re all panicking and calling this the end of America. It’s basically a repudiation of the argument of Nixon that 50 years of Conservatism is built on. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Mar 31, 2023 |
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Mar 31, 2023 01:22
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https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1641594020357976068?t=iGVULQ3faqSJqgNMeTL77g&s=19 So, they either threw the book, or... Yeah, it goes deeper.
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Mar 31, 2023 01:24
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The people saying this doesn’t matter also predicted that Biden would get wiped in 2020, and 2022 would mark the start of the Republicans owning both chambers of congress forever. It matters. It’s good.
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Mar 31, 2023 01:25
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BiggerBoat posted:So the Trump indictment is surely going to need its own thread, no? the odds of it completely taking over this thread are basically 100% it hasn't happened yet so trump discussion can stay in the pickleball thread for now
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Mar 31, 2023 01:26
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STAC Goat posted:Edit: and THAT’s why they’re all panicking and calling this the end of America. It’s basically a repudiation of the argument of Nixon that 50 years of Conservatism is built on. So which state DA is going to be the first to indict Biden?
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Mar 31, 2023 01:28
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PT6A posted:So I take it that with language like "Soros-backed" DeSantis has not typically been relying on the support of Jewish voters in FL? The Jewish right has pretty much fully adopted and embraced the anti-Soros stuff, eagerly casting him as a sinister anti-Semitic villain who seeks to destroy Jews. Even AIPAC and Israeli government officials have parroted anti-Soros stuff. At this point, I suspect it won't put off any American Jews who already lean Republican. https://twitter.com/AIPAC/status/1562496370241851396
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Mar 31, 2023 01:28
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Mirotic posted:https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1641594020357976068?t=iGVULQ3faqSJqgNMeTL77g&s=19 If it's 30+ charges, would the likelihood of them booking and releasing go way down compared to the flimsy singular charge that people thought was the case hours ago? It seems like with 30 charges, that poo poo just got real.
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Mar 31, 2023 01:29
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US Spring 2023 - TRUMP INDICATED
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Mar 31, 2023 01:29
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:So which state DA is going to be the first to indict Biden? Give us a list of all of Biden's criminally chargeable actions then.
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Mar 31, 2023 01:30
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Zotix posted:If it's 30+ charges, would the likelihood of them booking and releasing go way down compared to the flimsy singular charge that people thought was the case hours ago? It seems like with 30 charges, that poo poo just got real. IANAL, but also, I think, no matter if it was 1 charge or 30+, the answer was always going to be "it's complicated" on the grounds of the whole Secret Service thing. But with at least one felony and the amount of charges, suffice it to say it's now more complicated.
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Mar 31, 2023 01:34
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nine-gear crow posted:Give us a list of all of Biden's criminally chargeable actions then. If there is one thing this fine country does right, its not make up bullshit charges.
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Mar 31, 2023 01:35
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It would be hilarious if the two weeks Biden spent in South Carolina somehow became the hot topic of their DA but unless Delaware makes a shot at him he's probably fine.
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Mar 31, 2023 01:35
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Zotix posted:If it's 30+ charges, would the likelihood of them booking and releasing go way down compared to the flimsy singular charge that people thought was the case hours ago? It seems like with 30 charges, that poo poo just got real. Number of charges doesn't really have anything to do with how they arraign and do pre-trial detention. It's the nature of the crime that matters. It's a white collar financial crime that he literally can't reoffend on right now, so he will still get booked and released.
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Mar 31, 2023 01:36
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He's definitely not going to be in pre-trial detention. What kind of flight risk is he? The government has to provide Secret Service protection for him by law, and you know those guys are watching him as closely as they are watching everyone else.
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Mar 31, 2023 01:45
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CuddleCryptid posted:He's definitely not going to be in pre-trial detention. What kind of flight risk is he? The government has to provide Secret Service protection for him by law, and you know those guys are watching him as closely as they are watching everyone else. We’re not lucky enough for him to be a flight risk.
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Mar 31, 2023 01:50
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The Christchurch shooter manifesto was actively made to troll the media and hoping to stir up the most stupid moral panics.
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Mar 31, 2023 02:01
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:So which state DA is going to be the first to indict Biden? It’s certainly a possibility but the hurdle is finding a plausible criminal charge with a prosecutor willing to put their career and name on the line for it. They’ve tried. A lot. With Bill Clinton, Hillary, Obama, Biden. Ken Starr, James Comey, Hunter’s laptop. It’s harder than it looks. Assuming you didn’t hitch your wagon to a dude who spent his entire life committing crimes and publicly boasting about them. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Mar 31, 2023 |
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Mar 31, 2023 02:04
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Pence's live interview is currently airing on CNN. It's already off to a strong start. Pence says that Trump's prosecution "will offend the overwhelming majority of the American people who believe in fairness, who believe in equal treatment before the law" and that Trump's prosecution will "convince people that there is a two-tiered justice system in America." He also says that if Trump is convicted, he doesn't think he should drop out of the race - but, he also doesn't think he should definitely stay in - and he will make a decision on that if it ever comes to fruition. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 02:17 on Mar 31, 2023 |
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Mar 31, 2023 02:15
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Pence's live interview is currently airing on CNN. Hell of a swerve there from the guy who thought he was going to die on January 6th.
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Mar 31, 2023 02:17
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Pence's live interview is currently airing on CNN. Trump literally turned his loyalists on the man, who literally screamed for his death on the yard in front of the Capitol, and stormed the halls within trying to get to him, and he's still bending the knee to Trump. It's an unfathomable level of pathetic.
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Mar 31, 2023 02:19
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Pence's live interview is currently airing on CNN. Nothing convinces people that there's a two-tiered justice system in America like rich famous people freaking out over a rich famous person actually getting charged for a crime.
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Mar 31, 2023 02:20
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I read somewhere that the trial for this would likely occur sometime in mid-2024, likely around summer time, so it'll be a whole Thing in the middle of the election. Defendants usually show up for their trials I believe? Hard to say how it all goes down.
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Mar 31, 2023 02:21
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Circutron posted:Hell of a swerve there from the guy who thought he was going to die on January 6th. He's weaving and swerving everywhere right now. I love the idea that America didn't have a two-tiered justice system until today. He says Michael Cohen lied about Stormy Daniels and facilitated the payment, so it was correct for him to go to jail. Trump didn't hand a check to anyone and it is possible his name was forged on the check, so he wouldn't be lying when he said he had no idea. That is why Cohen deserved to be in jail, but Trump does not. Also says that January 6th was bad, but Trump pledging to pardon January 6thers is fine because he would legally be allowed to do that as President. When pressed on whether he agrees it is a good idea, he keeps just saying that the President has the legal authority to pardon people over and over again. Pence says that campaign finance violations aren't even a real thing because campaign finance violations don't violate natural laws and were made by man.
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Mar 31, 2023 02:25
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Pence's live interview is currently airing on CNN. He had days to prep for these questions
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Mar 31, 2023 02:25
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Well no more trips to Scotland for Trump any time soon, since he has to surrender his passport. No more trips overseas at all.
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Mar 31, 2023 02:30
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Pence is kind of melting right now from very basic questions. “While it did not end well, I'll always be proud of the record of the Trump-Pence administration." "It was a historic administration in many ways. Some would say in bad ways, but I am not one of them. Except for the dissolution of our civility and the pursuing of two political impeachments against a sitting President." Says whatever Trump is doing has no impact on his decision to run for President in 2024. He and his family have been praying for the last few months to get an answer on if he should run, but haven't heard anything yet. They are going to continue praying and he is going to continue to travel the country listening to Americans until he gets a definitive answer from prayer and his family. He also again implies that campaign finance laws aren't even real laws because they were crafted by the hand of man and not natural law.
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Mar 31, 2023 02:33
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Name Change posted:He had days to prep for these questions Days? Not years?
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Says whatever Trump is doing has no impact on his decision to run for President in 2024. He and his family have been praying for the last few months to get an answer on if he should run, but haven't heard anything yet. They are going to continue praying and he is going to continue to travel the country listening to Americans until he gets a definitive answer from prayer and his family. lmao God is keeping them on read until they know for sure if Trump will be behind bars or not
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Mike Pence is somehow unable to answer a question about abortion and wobbling around. I have no idea if he is nervous, surprised, or trying to seem to moderate. But, he's coming off incredibly bad and it is bizarre to see Mike Pence of all people hedge on abortion. "Would you support a 6-week abortion ban nationwide?" "I'm pro-life." "If you were President, and a support a 6-week abortion ban came across your desk, then would sign it?" "Look, I'm pro-life." "Would you sign it?" "Wolf, look, I'm pro-life. I'm not gonna apologize for it." "So, you would support it?" "If legislation... in that regard... came around, then I would surely... I would surely take a look at it. But, to be honest, I think that this will take place at the state-level." "But, would you sign a bill?" "I'd support federal legislation that is pro-life if I were in congress... or any other job in that town. But, when the Supreme Court overturned Roe. v. Wade, they returned the issue to the states. But, look, I will always stand for life."
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Pence is kind of melting right now from very basic questions. But if Trump pardon's J6'ers, then that's fine, because it's legal, and man-made law is the highest and only standard for morality, have I got that right?
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Mar 31, 2023 02:48
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Mike Pence is somehow unable to answer a question about abortion and wobbling around. I have no idea if he is nervous, surprised, or trying to seem to moderate. But, he's coming off incredibly bad and it is bizarre to see Mike Pence of all people hedge on abortion. Presumably someone working for him convinced him that his desired response (All abortion should be illegal, unless it involves horses) basically loses him the general election, and he's dumb enough that he's trying to pivot for a nomination he has absolutely zero chance of getting.
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Mirotic posted:https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1641594020357976068?t=iGVULQ3faqSJqgNMeTL77g&s=19 This is interesting and could really move the needle of how much this actually matters. If it's just stormy Daniels stuff I'm still skeptical, but more things or more counts with fines or even a remote possibly of jail time? That makes more intrigued.
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You know, I used to think that Ted Cruz bending the knee for Trump in 2016 was the most pathetic thing I've seen in politics, but this weird Pence defense of Trump has to be worse
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FlamingLiberal posted:You know, I used to think that Ted Cruz bending the knee for Trump in 2016 was the most pathetic thing I've seen in politics, but this weird Pence defense of Trump has to be worse It's literally Waylon Smithers level poo poo. Trump straight up went "If he dies, he dies" after siccing a mob on the building he was currently in, and Pence's response has almost word for word been "It would have been an honor to have been beaten and strangled to death for you, sir  "
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