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Khizan posted:It doesn't, you would have been. That series went downhill after the first book and fast. I quite like the Alloy of law, when allomancy gets nerfed. By the way, there is the first chapter of Alloy of Law 2 (Shadows of Self) and a new cosmere book, Sixth of the Dusk up on brandonsanderson.com. Shadows of Self spoilers - the book Ironeyes gives Marisi turns out to be written by him, and is about Hemalurgy and how he kept it alive. He also says it is good now, because Sazed is Ruin. Sazed changed Allomancy (specifically, snapping) to be less lethal, maybe he also changed Hemalurgy to not require a death? EDIT: Oh and Legion 2 Lobsterpillar fucked around with this message at 10:27 on May 17, 2014 |
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Nitrousoxide posted:I just finished the first book of Mistborn. Are you saying that I should just stop now? I really liked the first one though.... The second book is basically the first half of Captain America 2 up until he discovers that Hydra infiltrated and controls SHIELD. It's one long buildup for a reveal that retroactively makes a lot of stuff awesome. The third book is sort of a culmination of everything and it does tie everything up.
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May 17, 2014 00:50
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Lobsterpillar posted:I quite like the Alloy of law, when allomancy gets nerfed. I think it's spook, actually. The writing style doesn't sound like Marsh
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May 17, 2014 01:03
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Tunicate posted:I think it's spook, actually. The writing style doesn't sound like Marsh Ah, yeah, that tone is not really like Marsh. It was the 'knowing what I know', that made me think it was him - of all people alive I'd expect him to know the most about Hemalurgy, with the obvious exception being Sazed. If it is Spook, how does he know so much about it?
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May 17, 2014 10:30
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Tunicate posted:I think it's spook, actually. The writing style doesn't sound like Marsh I just got the feeling that Marsh is just a really bad writer. Or he has severe social anxiety after a few hundred years of deification.
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May 17, 2014 13:02
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Lobsterpillar posted:Ah, yeah, that tone is not really like Marsh. It was the 'knowing what I know', that made me think it was him - of all people alive I'd expect him to know the most about Hemalurgy, with the obvious exception being Sazed. If it is Spook, how does he know so much about it? We could presume that Sazed was much more vocal immediately after his ascension? He spoke to Spook when he made him a mistborn and then there is a big gap until alloy of law during which time Spook unites the land and becomes Lord Mistborn. He likely learnt a lot either from Marsh or Sazed himself during that time.
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May 17, 2014 18:05
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I really loved how, in Alloy of Law, Spook's eastern street slang is the "high imperial" language.
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May 17, 2014 19:14
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I just finished Words of Radiance does anyone feel a bit robbed at the end So Kaladin and Shallon spend the whole book not telling each other about their powers and when it is revealed at the end they skip over the initial conversation and discussion about it to like 10 days later. I wanted her to meet Syl and the such.
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May 18, 2014 09:42
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Dravs posted:We could presume that Sazed was much more vocal immediately after his ascension? He spoke to Spook when he made him a mistborn and then there is a big gap until alloy of law during which time Spook unites the land and becomes Lord Mistborn. He likely learnt a lot either from Marsh or Sazed himself during that time. Plus spook spent (Hero of ages spoiler)half the book with a hemalurgic spike giving him pewter powers.
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May 19, 2014 03:04
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Victorkm posted:Plus spook spent (Hero of ages spoiler)half the book with a hemalurgic spike giving him pewter powers. Thats true, but (mistborn book 3 spoilers)having a spike in you doesn't mean you know all about Hemalurgy, which at one point Sazed says 'the key to hemalurgy is knowing where to put the spike, and there are several hundred bind points and many, many more combinations of bind points, not to mention spike metals, the powers of the victim, etc.. I still think that Marsh and Sazed will know the most about hemalurgy with Spook only as a distant third, unless he learnt after hero of ages
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Here's an Altered Perspectives preview chapter!
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I have the impression that we've only seen the tip of the iceberg with Hemalurgy, considering how Sanderson keeps throwing hints about not only it's return in the Mistborn world, but it showing up on other worlds altogether. Some sort of big bad could easily do very, very, bad things with both access to Hemalurgy and access to all the worlds (and magic) in the universe. Even stuff that isn't just flat out stealing abilities, too - there's probably a lot of nasty things you can do when stealing physical or mental traits from people, beyond the hybrids in the Mistborn world. Perhaps you could even steal bodies - just flat out staple one person's personality/soul/whatever into another.
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May 20, 2014 10:00
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I think its also been mentioned that Hemalurgy can steal other forms of power other than the metallic arts, so chances are were going to see a evil version of Hoid with all the magics ever.
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May 20, 2014 10:05
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Wolpertinger posted:I have the impression that we've only seen the tip of the iceberg with Hemalurgy, considering how Sanderson keeps throwing hints about not only it's return in the Mistborn world, but it showing up on other worlds altogether. Some sort of big bad could easily do very, very, bad things with both access to Hemalurgy and access to all the worlds (and magic) in the universe. Even stuff that isn't just flat out stealing abilities, too - there's probably a lot of nasty things you can do when stealing physical or mental traits from people, beyond the hybrids in the Mistborn world. Perhaps you could even steal bodies - just flat out staple one person's personality/soul/whatever into another. One of the wacky theories floating around about Taln is that's precisely what's happened. Also there's a bit where Hoid's talking about tearing a person apart and putting him back together, I forget the exact quote, somewhere in Way of Kings.
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May 20, 2014 10:59
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api call girl posted:One of the wacky theories floating around about Taln is that's precisely what's happened. Also there's a bit where Hoid's talking about tearing a person apart and putting him back together, I forget the exact quote, somewhere in Way of Kings. It's during Wits conversation with Dalinar at the feast when Wit mentions the name Adonalsium
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May 20, 2014 18:28
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api call girl posted:One of the wacky theories floating around about Taln is that's precisely what's happened. Also there's a bit where Hoid's talking about tearing a person apart and putting him back together, I forget the exact quote, somewhere in Way of Kings. ...  Hemalurgic frankenstein Steel Inquisitor Adonalsium. Staple all the shards together again. That would be quite the terrifying evil plan. If the shard is splintered and spread out among all the people on a planet? Staple every living thing on the planet together  .
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May 20, 2014 23:31
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Wolpertinger posted:... I wonder what happens when you stab a Shard (like Odium, for instance) with an Atium hemalurgic spike? Maybe that's why the stormfather wants Dalinar to force Odium to choose a champion...
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May 21, 2014 10:02
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Lobsterpillar posted:I wonder what happens when you stab a Shard (like Odium, for instance) with an Atium hemalurgic spike? It's apparently possible, but you'd need a spike the size of a planet.
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Tunicate posted:It's apparently possible, but you'd need a spike the size of a planet. This is Sanderson, I'm expecting the cosmere timeline to accelerate until the heroes use a faster than light spaceship to drive a Jupiter sized atium spike through the big bad shard.
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May 21, 2014 18:22
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I'm about 60% of the way through the second Mistborn book and man has this thing been a huge drag. Like the whole book has been them sitting around doing almost nothing. I'm so close to just dropping this series right here and now. Please tell me SOMETHING happens to make this book worthwhile soon.
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May 21, 2014 18:57
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Nitrousoxide posted:I'm about 60% of the way through the second Mistborn book and man has this thing been a huge drag. Like the whole book has been them sitting around doing almost nothing. I'm so close to just dropping this series right here and now. The ending picks up quickly, like all Sanderson novels, and then the next two Mistborn books are better and awesome, respectively. If that's not enough to keep you reading through another 50 - 100 pages, then Brandon probably isn't for you.
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The second book picks up near the end. The third book is pretty good too, so it's completely worth finishing to get to the third book.
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Nitrousoxide posted:I'm about 60% of the way through the second Mistborn book and man has this thing been a huge drag. Like the whole book has been them sitting around doing almost nothing. I'm so close to just dropping this series right here and now. The ending makes up for it. As for me, I've just finished Words of Radiance and I can't really wait to see what happens next. As always, the battles were great and I don't think Eshonai actually died either.
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Democratic Pirate posted:This is Sanderson, I'm expecting the cosmere timeline to accelerate until the heroes use a faster than light spaceship to drive a Jupiter sized atium spike through the big bad shard. Man if he moved on from ye olde fantasy to modern to space opera within the same universe with all the magic kept the same then that would be awesome. (EDIT: He needs to bring out those second and third mistborn trilogies already) I really don't like static technological advance in fantasy novels, it's way too contrived. Xachariah fucked around with this message at 20:42 on May 21, 2014 |
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Xachariah posted:Man if he moved on from ye olde fantasy to modern to space opera within the same universe with all the magic kept the same then that would be awesome. As far as I understand, that's exactly what he plans to do with the Mistborn series. Alloy of Law was supposed to just be a bridge to a "modern" trilogy, but it's getting a sequel.
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Xachariah posted:Man if he moved on from ye olde fantasy to modern to space opera within the same universe with all the magic kept the same then that would be awesome. Yeah that would be awesome it's a good thing that's the plan for mistborn then with the current Victorian/western stop off added on. ^this is the only time your going to beat me.
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Tunicate posted:It's apparently possible, but you'd need a spike the size of a planet. I remember reading one of the book signing questions that asked (Mistborn spoilers) 'if Harmony is just preserving the status quo, wouldn't that unbalance the Ruin/Preservation balance?' To which the answer was 'Yeah, I wonder what Sazed is doing with all the rest of Ruins power?' - making a giant spaceship sized Atium spike, of course!
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Nitrousoxide posted:I'm about 60% of the way through the second Mistborn book and man has this thing been a huge drag. Like the whole book has been them sitting around doing almost nothing. I'm so close to just dropping this series right here and now. Honestly? The second book is by far the weakest of the three. I mean, it's okay, it's just not great. And frankly, I don't see how it really had a chance; the first novel is just such a thrill ride as they plan the heist and set about making it happen, there's going to be a natural letdown as the second book has to focus more on "okay, we won, now how do we set up a new government and get our poo poo together?" I also particularly hate that two of my favorites from the original crew die. The third book is good, much better than the second, and somewhat redeems the series. Just grin and bear it and finish the second book so you can make sense of the third.
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Kraps posted:Then you move on to the next book which combines I've never understood why more authors haven't done fantasy westerns. It seems like such an untapped market.
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Okay, I finished the second book and overall it wasn't worth the slog. The book could have had about 300 to 400 pages chopped out without loosing anything. However the twist was good enough and it leaves the universe in a state that seems like the next one could be good. The first sentence of the next book, at least, gives it some velocity that seems like it will be better.
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Nitrousoxide posted:Okay, I finished the second book and overall it wasn't worth the slog. The book could have had about 300 to 400 pages chopped out without loosing anything. However the twist was good enough and it leaves the universe in a state that seems like the next one could be good. I felt the same way about book 2, but thought book 3 was really exciting pretty much the whole way through. Stick with it!
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Dravs posted:I've never understood why more authors haven't done fantasy westerns. It seems like such an untapped market.
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Quantum Toast posted:Fantasy Heist seems like a rare combination too, for that matter. There probably are a few besides The Final Empire, but I can't think of any. Scott Lynch: The Lies of Locke Lamora
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Quantum Toast posted:Fantasy Heist seems like a rare combination too, for that matter. There probably are a few besides The Final Empire, but I can't think of any. Skin Game in about 5 days.
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computer parts posted:Skin Game in about 5 days. I seriously can't wait.
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Quantum Toast posted:Fantasy Heist seems like a rare combination too, for that matter. There probably are a few besides The Final Empire, but I can't think of any. ConfusedUs posted:Scott Lynch: The Lies of Locke Lamora Yeah Lies is good, but I heard he gets away from the heist part in later books, so I've held off on reading them.
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I think a lot of that is because Westerns were ridiculously huge sixty years ago until they absolutely burned out. TV, movies, radio drama and books were absolutely saturated by Western fiction and taste really just cycled to the standards we're familiar with. A ton of old Western stuff is (racist) fantasy at its core with magical natives and everything.
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Democratic Pirate posted:Yeah Lies is good, but I heard he gets away from the heist part in later books, so I've held off on reading them. Not really. Book two is them as pirates, book three is them as political rabble rousers. It's all pretty heisty and decently written. Some goons get all spergy about the love story aspects, but it's far more a knee jerk reaction to Locke being dumb about it than it is a valid criticism.
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Ugh I'm just over half way through and I'm just not enjoying the new Stormlight book. I'm finding it unbelievably slow. I'm just skipping 3 pages at a time until something interesting happens. Pretty much any time Kaladin is just hangin out with his bridge buddies gets skipped all the way through. I don't feel like I'm missing much. EDIT: Not trying to be a total downer, I really like the world he created and that keeps me going I just feel at least the first half of the book could have been condensed a lot. Huskalator fucked around with this message at 03:13 on May 23, 2014 |
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