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fishmech posted:What metric are you using for that? No one uses city limits figures because they’re nonsensical. Use metropolitan area population.
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Jul 31, 2019 23:33
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iawtp. unify all georgia forever
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Jul 31, 2019 23:38
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Platystemon posted:No one uses city limits figures because they’re nonsensical. That's just something people from places with no worthwhile cities say. Ain't nothing nonsensical about measuring cities themselves. Besides if you start measuring metropolitan areas you have a whole big issue with deciding which individual state can claim each metro areas and that's no good. Anyway here's a handy classification of states by largest city's size. 
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Jul 31, 2019 23:42
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No Safe Word posted:Sacramento isn't a major population center (though it's bigger than I thought, I'll grant) and 3 hours is about as far as you can drive before being closer to some other major population center. Sacramento County, which is basically Sacramento and its suburbs, has a population of 1.5 million lol Also California is huge. 3 hours is a drop in the bucket, try driving north of San Francisco. You wont hit another major city until... Redding? Then it's uh, Eugene Oregon. You don't hit another major city until Portland which is like 12 hours away.
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Jul 31, 2019 23:50
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city limit boundaries are worthless for any meaningful comparison of city size because of differential patterns over time and space in terms of urban annexation and jurisdictional crowding. it is a narrow and rules-focused interpretation of cities which ignores the last century of urban development in favor of historical trivia if you disagree, please justify why phoenix, arizona deserves to be the fifth largest city in the united states
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Jul 31, 2019 23:52
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Ignoring metros is kinda silly in the US. Dallas jumps from number 9 city to number 4 behind only NYC, LA, and Chicago if you count the metro. Atlanta jumps from 37 to 9. Boston, 21 to 10. Etc.
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Jul 31, 2019 23:52
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luxury handset posted:city limit boundaries are worthless for any meaningful comparison of city Actually they compare the size of cities precisely. By definition.
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Jul 31, 2019 23:54
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fishmech posted:Actually they compare the size of cities precisely. By definition. this is not a meaningful comparison though objects can be different sizes. populations can have different amounts. this is a stunning insight you have stumbled upon and i look forwards to you elaborating how things which are different are not, technically, the same
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Jul 31, 2019 23:56
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this feels like when oocc explained yesterday that chihuahuas are not the same as great danes, with great gravitas and wisdom
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Jul 31, 2019 23:57
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luxury handset posted:this is not a meaningful comparison though Yeah it is. It actually matters a lot if something is a monolithic municipal block with more people than Latvia in it versus a place with core control only over a population equal to Malta.
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Jul 31, 2019 23:58
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:iawtp. unify all georgia forever There's an achievement in Europa Universalis 4 for playing as the Kingdom of Georgia and owning Georgia the State and The South Georgia Islands.
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Jul 31, 2019 23:59
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fishmech posted:Yeah it is. It actually matters a lot if something is a monolithic municipal block with more people than Latvia in it versus a place with core control only over a population equal to Malta. this does not matter, actually
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Aug 1, 2019 00:00
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fishmech posted:Actually they compare the size of cities precisely. By definition. There is a mall in the bay area that is literally in two cities. Using city demarcation lines as gospel is pointless.
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Aug 1, 2019 00:01
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just use urban area
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Aug 1, 2019 00:01
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Spoeank posted:There is a mall in the bay area that is literally in two cities. Using city demarcation lines as gospel is pointless. Looks like you forgot to make a point. luxury handset posted:this does not matter, actually It does. Sorry you're angry about Chicago being treated as more important than Omaha tho?
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Aug 1, 2019 00:03
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haha fishmech got jursidiction land area confused with population and then started accusing others of being angry just eat your dinner and go to bed
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Aug 1, 2019 00:06
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Can't wait for fishmech to tell us that Yokohama is the largest city in Japan.
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Aug 1, 2019 00:06
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luxury handset posted:haha fishmech got jursidiction land area confused with population Nope. Is this a complaint about the fact that cities do in fact have populations? It's hard to tell with your typical drunken rambling.
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Aug 1, 2019 00:07
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wow settle down fishmech. it's ok to be wrong sometimes. not everybody gets it right all of the time city limit boundaries don't really matter for any meaningful comparison between cities unless you've sworn a blood oath to win all internet arguments, apparently
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Aug 1, 2019 00:19
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Next, we need a slap fight about who has REAL mountains and who has just hills and stuff.
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Aug 1, 2019 00:20
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“I’m from rural south Jersey.” “Lol I’m from Iowa, get on my level.” “Lmao I’m from Montana, I drive an hour to get to the corner store”
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Aug 1, 2019 00:21
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Rolabi Wizenard posted:Next, we need a slap fight about who has REAL mountains and who has just hills and stuff. there is only 1 real mountain and it is Denali
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Aug 1, 2019 00:25
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Spoeank posted:Sacramento County, which is basically Sacramento and its suburbs, has a population of 1.5 million lol You could drive the length of my state twice in 3 hours lol. You are only further proving the nature of your brutal circumstances. Grape fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Aug 1, 2019 |
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Aug 1, 2019 00:29
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Grape posted:You could drive the length of my state twice in 3 hours lol. Shameful. That's the width of the state I live in. The length of my state is at least a 7 hour drive iirc, not counting the key.
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Aug 1, 2019 00:35
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fishmech posted:It's why it's easier to list to list sizes of contiguous urban areas. The US census one for the past few censuses seems universally applicable - to define a metropolitan urban area, there must be at least 50,000 people in a core entity with at least 1000 people per square mile throughout that on average, and surrounding populated areas must maintain at least 500 people per square mile, with the only allowable breaks in population density being commercial or industrial areas that are active - or parklands. 
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Aug 1, 2019 00:35
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luxury handset posted:
Yep they do. You just seem to be salty because some city you like has ugly borders or something?
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Aug 1, 2019 00:36
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Xelkelvos posted:Shameful. That's the width of the state I live in. The length of my state is at least a 7 hour drive iirc, not counting the key. I was going to continue the witty back and forths, but than I realized you are talking about Florida and I just can't punch down like that.
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Aug 1, 2019 00:38
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fishmech posted:Yep they do. You just seem to be salty because some city you like has ugly borders or something? i'm not salty at all, you're just wrong about whether or not city boundaries are useful to determine meaningful comparisons between cities they are not useful for this purpose, and they will not be useful for this purpose no matter how many times you make inquiries as to my current irl emotional state
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Aug 1, 2019 00:42
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luxury handset posted:i'm not salty at all, you're just wrong about whether or not city boundaries are useful to determine meaningful comparisons between cities Nope they are in fact useful. Turns out you can in fact compare aspects of cities, by comparing aspects of cities, and this is meaningful. But do go on about how Cheyenne and Bakersfield are in fact identical, or whatever it is you're on.
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Aug 1, 2019 00:51
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If only there was a Metropolitan Statistical Area we could use.
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Peanut President posted:there is only 1 real mountain and it is Olympus Mons
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Aug 1, 2019 01:09
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Trabisnikof posted:If only there was a Metropolitan Statistical Area we could use.
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Aug 1, 2019 01:11
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fishmech posted:That for comparing statiistics, of metropolitan areas, though. Ah yes please tell me which major population centers aren’t metropolitan areas.
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Aug 1, 2019 01:14
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Trabisnikof posted:Ah yes please tell me which major population centers aren’t metropolitan areas. Seeing as the purpose of the metropolitan statistical area is to talk about one or more (depending on which metropolitan statistical area it is) major population center(s) plus areas that are not part of the center(s) but are associated with it? Almost all of them. So yeah sure I'll just list the top ten US examples: New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, Phoenix, Philadelphia, San Antonio, San Diego, Dallas, San Jose.
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fishmech posted:Nope they are in fact useful. Turns out you can in fact compare aspects of cities, by comparing aspects of cities, and this is meaningful. they are not useful to compare cities in any meaningful way. no amount of power fantasies about me being upset will change the fact that you are wrong fishmech posted:Seeing as the purpose of the metropolitan statistical area is to talk about one or more (depending on which metropolitan statistical area it is) major population center(s) plus areas that are not part of the center(s) but are associated with it? Almost all of them. So yeah sure I'll just list the top ten US examples: New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, Phoenix, Philadelphia, San Antonio, San Diego, Dallas, San Jose. these are not the ten largest metropolitan statistical areas in the united states. is this gimmick posting? e: oh, you've gotten MSAs confused with independent cities Mr. Fall Down Terror fucked around with this message at 01:34 on Aug 1, 2019 |
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Aug 1, 2019 01:30
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luxury handset posted:they are not useful to compare cities in any meaningful way. Yep they are! Maybe you should try using this excuse the next time you want to dodge property taxes or something though. luxury handset posted:these are not the ten largest metropolitan statistical areas in the united states. Nobody said they were. You have a severe reading comprehension today, it seems.
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fishmech posted:Yep they are! Maybe you should try using this excuse the next time you want to dodge property taxes or something though. they are not useful for making any useful comparisons between cities, and i see you have now shifted to odd non sequiturs. maybe it's time i stopped antagonizing you by pointing out that you are factually incorrect
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Aug 1, 2019 01:36
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Kiss already you crazy kids
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Aug 1, 2019 01:39
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luxury handset posted:they are not useful for making any useful comparisons between cities, and i see you have now shifted to odd non sequiturs. maybe it's time i stopped antagonizing you by pointing out that you are factually incorrect Yes they are. For example, different cities have different property taxes, that's not a non-sequitur. If you truly believed there were no differences between cities, why would you believe in differences in their tax rates?
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your argument has shifted from macro scale population comparisons between nationally recognized cities to the details of local tax law and i guess the contents of your argument are less important than that arguing makes you feel alive. good luck to you
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