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Snowman_McK posted:This remains one of the best threads on these boards, amazing given that it's for a dopey series that will never be finished. Robin Hobb's old stuff (the Assassin, Tawny Man, Liveship Traders, and Soldier's Son trilogies) are really good and pretty weird. I haven't read her newer stuff (there's two more trilogies in the Assassin/Tawny Man/Liveship world) Michael Swanwick's Stations of the Tide and The Iron Dragon's Daughter are insanely good, especially the former, which blends Sci fi, Crowley sex magic, and transhumanism. His other books are great too but start with those
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Nov 2, 2018 00:30
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Intel&Sebastian posted:nerd alert Alert nerd.
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Nov 2, 2018 00:40
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precision posted:Robin Hobb's old stuff (the Assassin, Tawny Man, Liveship Traders, and Soldier's Son trilogies) are really good and pretty weird. I haven't read her newer stuff (there's two more trilogies in the Assassin/Tawny Man/Liveship world) Warning that the first ~100 pages of the Liveship Traders Trilogy is a competition between most of the characters to see who can be the biggest and/or stupidest rear end in a top hat. I mean, it's pretty clear early on that Kyle, who is garbage from the start is the winner of that competition, but the early chapters of that trilogy is real bad. The later series based on the Rain Wilds is better in some ways but Hobb is real bad about recycling character types, including someone whose personality is pretty similar to the aforementioned king rear end in a top hat.
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Nov 2, 2018 04:17
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"heheh, Martin is full of poo poo. We're so above his crap now. Now let me recommend you Robin Hobb and Michael Swanwick!"
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Nov 2, 2018 10:07
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:poo poo. We're so crap now. let me cob and wank!" Post your map.
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Nov 2, 2018 10:52
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Evil Fluffy posted:Warning that the first ~100 pages of the Liveship Traders Trilogy is a competition between most of the characters to see who can be the biggest and/or stupidest rear end in a top hat. I mean, it's pretty clear early on that Kyle, who is garbage from the start is the winner of that competition, but the early chapters of that trilogy is real bad. Also let me point out that this epic fantasy trilogy has a character named Kyle
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Nov 2, 2018 11:07
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What kind of a hack names people, anyway?  Burn all the libraries.
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Nov 2, 2018 11:11
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I'd far rather characters have names which are comprehensible than a mess of bullshit. It is a strength of GRRM that the names in GoT are largely stuff like Jon, Robert, Jaime, Kevan, even Stannis. A little different, sometimes, but close enough that you know what they are. They ground the work and make it that bit more relateable.
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Nov 2, 2018 11:29
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:I'd far rather characters have names which are comprehensible than a mess of bullshit. It is a strength of GRRM that the names in GoT are largely stuff like Jon, Robert, Jaime, Kevan, even Stannis. A little different, sometimes, but close enough that you know what they are. They ground the work and make it that bit more relateable. The problem is names lack in character, especially when they're supposed to belong to larger-than-life characters. "Cersei" is pretty good because it tells you that the character is a dangerous, powerful woman like Circe, and it also suggests Caesar with its connotations of ambition and hubris. Jaime on the other hand (har har) suggests only celebrity chefs. Flay, Swelter, Steerpike, Sepulchrave, Fuchsia, Prunesquallor, Rottcodd, Nanny Slagg, there's some names with character to them.
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Nov 2, 2018 12:47
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nine-gear crow posted:What kind of a hack names people, anyway? Nice meltdown.
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Nov 2, 2018 12:54
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Yeah, sure, if you're reading Malazan with its billion characters who need a name which tells you who they are because you have no chance to remember without it. Different styles for different purposes.
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Nov 2, 2018 12:54
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Yeah, sure, if you're reading Malazan with its billion characters who need a name which tells you who they are because you have no chance to remember without it. Yeah, that never happens with ASOIAF, the series with House Beesbury of Honeyholt
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Nov 2, 2018 13:00
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Zorro Zorro Ducksauce
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Nov 2, 2018 13:03
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house words: beware our penis
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Nov 2, 2018 13:09
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Yeah, that never happens with ASOIAF, the series with House Beesbury of Honeyholt Yeah, and we've never mocked those extremely on-the-nose names in this thread, no sirree. It's fine for main characters to have normal names. It's fine for background characters to have dumb names which only serve to indicate the broadest trait they may have, like Ser Obsequious the rear end-Kisser. These can co-exist within the same work, no problem.
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Nov 2, 2018 13:22
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:It's fine for main characters to have normal names. I already pointed out why it's not.
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Nov 2, 2018 14:13
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RIP Nimble Dick Crabb
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Nov 2, 2018 14:22
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Flay, Swelter, Steerpike, Sepulchrave, Fuchsia, Prunesquallor, Rottcodd, Nanny Slagg, there's some names with character to them. The Ghormenghast characters are larger than life and grotesque in many ways. Their names completely fit the drawings Peake did of them. His style of naming doesn’t work for stories with a different tone.
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Nov 2, 2018 14:45
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:The problem is names lack in character, especially when they're supposed to belong to larger-than-life characters. Counterpoint: Yezzan the Yellow Whale Nimble Dick Crabb
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Nov 2, 2018 14:49
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:"heheh, Martin is full of poo poo. We're so above his crap now. Now let me recommend you Robin Hobb and Michael Swanwick!" You are the literal worst, aren't you? I never said or implied that, but yes, I do think Swanwick is far and away a better writer than GRRM. Robin Hobb is arguable but Swanwick's a big step up imo
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Nov 2, 2018 14:50
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i may be outing myself as a racist for saying this, but i have a helluva time keeping the chinese characters names straight. thank god they all have a dramatis personae.
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Nov 2, 2018 15:12
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Ccs posted:The Ghormenghast characters are larger than life and grotesque in many ways. Their names completely fit the drawings Peake did of them. His style of naming doesn’t work for stories with a different tone. Martin's characters include warrior aristocrats with giant wolf pets, evil people with glowing golden hair and emerald eyes, a giant fat king who sits on a throne of swords, and a fat merman who eats people, among others. precision posted:You are the literal worst, aren't you? I never said or implied that, but yes, I do think Swanwick is far and away a better writer than GRRM. Robin Hobb is arguable but Swanwick's a big step up imo Please give examples of his prose to prove this.
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Nov 2, 2018 15:17
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 Ordinary, realistic character
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Nov 2, 2018 15:22
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why do you post
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Nov 2, 2018 15:30
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[trying to think of an ordinary realistic character from any book ever] ahhh.........the drug addict from infinite jest
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Nov 2, 2018 15:41
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Please give examples of his prose to prove this. No.
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Nov 2, 2018 15:49
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raunce and company from loving
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Nov 2, 2018 15:51
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Martin's characters include warrior aristocrats with giant wolf pets, evil people with glowing golden hair and emerald eyes, a giant fat king who sits on a throne of swords, and a fat merman who eats people, among others. I didn't say realistic, I said a different tone. Peake's world is really bizarre and a far different animal than ASoIaF. Like you've got a medieval castle existing in the same world as a futuristic city in the same world as a corporate hellscape. But all are separate and don't interact or seem to know the others exist. It's more of an allegorical setting and a way to examine different types of societies rather than trying to build a connected world.
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Nov 2, 2018 16:11
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ASOIAF's world isn't connected. It has "realistic" medieval milieus and zombie apocalypse.
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Nov 2, 2018 16:15
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:I already pointed out why it's not. You pointed out that you want to read the Chronicles of Drizzt, yes.
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Nov 2, 2018 17:19
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:You pointed out that you want to read the Chronicles of Drizzt, yes. Daaaaayum
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Nov 2, 2018 17:23
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Drizz'l, eh? What's he gonna do, cloud up and rain over you?
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Nov 2, 2018 17:25
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Marijuana posted:why do you post Because even after all this time people are still retarded enough to respond to him consistently.  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nov 2, 2018 17:31
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He's been thrown out of like, two or three subforums already so I guess it's only a matter of time until the Book Barn exiles him.
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Nov 2, 2018 17:40
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Malpais Legate posted:He's been thrown out of like, two or three subforums already so I guess it's only a matter of time until the Book Barn exiles him. Let’s Play, RGD, BSS, and certain threads in CineD, for the record  And those are just the publicly known ones.
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Nov 2, 2018 19:29
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I feel like there's some kind of sad or fascinating story behind their pathological need to be the literal worst poster
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Nov 2, 2018 20:10
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precision posted:I feel like there's some kind of sad or fascinating story behind their pathological need to be the literal worst poster He’d make a good miniboss arc in Undertale... but he was run out of the Undertale thread for being a miserable goob too, so welp
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Nov 2, 2018 20:15
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People have strong feelings about fictional names, it seems.
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Nov 2, 2018 20:19
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nine-gear crow posted:He’d make a good miniboss arc in Undertale... but he was run out of the Undertale thread for being a miserable goob too, so welp Did he say that your favourite elfbooks are bad or why are you so angry?
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Nov 2, 2018 20:20
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