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Mustached Demon posted:Too many Russians with too many letters in their last names. my last name is polish/russian in origin i am either very happy or very sad about my future in putin's united states 
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:America deserves President Trump File #39,238 so is this a breitbart article or what
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Jul 15, 2017 20:29
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I'm sure glad that polling information a year and a half before the elections has made it clear that nothing matters! 
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Jul 15, 2017 20:34
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Chilichimp posted:lol at the national review literally linking a Chris Hayes segment. Chris used to work for her back when she was on Air America, he's basically her protégé so it should not be surprising that his style resembles hers. I was actually tripping on how good a job that Maddow does of laying out the pieces of the Russian collusion story. Each episode summarizing the old news and then plugging in and fleshing out the new bits. So I also don't see how one would see it as a bad thing. Unless you happen to be a sealioning troll.
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Jul 15, 2017 20:37
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Why didn't Kushner's laywers just delete the emails immediately upon finding them? Did Kushner not know DNC dirt was handed over because he left the meeting early, and he thought that "tried but failed" was not enough to prove collusion?
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Jul 15, 2017 20:39
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skylined! posted:so is this a breitbart article or what I can't find this article anywhere. I can find stuff from Greenberg along these lines, but not this exact article.
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Jul 15, 2017 20:40
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Flip Yr Wig posted:So the 8th man never got revealed? Or was it so boring that it immediately got buried? We do have a lead... https://twitter.com/ProPublica/status/884607765150355457 Our timeline is too dark, it wasn't Reince
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Jul 15, 2017 20:41
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Alter Ego posted:I'm sure glad that polling information a year and a half before the elections has made it clear that nothing matters! That's all bad, but: quote:Americans are dissatisfied with President Trump's time in office so far, but they do not consider him a President who is "out of the mainstream compared to other Presidents" and consider him "about the same" as President Obama when it comes to partisanship, divisiveness, and the percentage of his actions that are "political and not practical." Shows that Americans are dumb as hell and nothing can get them to change. "Giant douche and Turd Sandwich" and "The left is exactly as bad as the right" are unshakable and absolute truths for 80% of Americans.
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Jul 15, 2017 20:41
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Cheekio posted:Why didn't Kushner's laywers just delete the emails immediately upon finding them? Did Kushner not know DNC dirt was handed over because he left the meeting early, and he thought that "tried but failed" was not enough to prove collusion? No respectable lawyer is going to delete evidence when they know their clients are likely under investigation, especially when other people likely have copies
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Jul 15, 2017 20:42
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:America deserves President Trump File #39,238 Your electorate is irredeemable. The last time I said something like this, I felt bad afterwards, because a lot of them are just indoctrinated in the propaganda. But nowadays I don't think it's just that anymore. A huge part of your population simply consists of bad people, who gladly harm themselves and their families as long as it also makes their political opponents unhappy. What sort of vile person would enjoy pissing of someone that much? Your country has a Machiavellian level of hatred where these people would gladly cut of their own nose if it meant that the ACA would collapse.
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Jul 15, 2017 20:44
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Cheekio posted:Why didn't Kushner's laywers just delete the emails immediately upon finding them? Did Kushner not know DNC dirt was handed over because he left the meeting early, and he thought that "tried but failed" was not enough to prove collusion? That would make the lawyers criminals, even if they could have gotten away with it, that would be risky, wrong and unprofessional. They're here to make a buck and keep their client out of jail, not get themselves into jail.
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Jul 15, 2017 20:48
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cant cook creole bream posted:Your electorate is irredeemable. LT posts unsourced crap like that to get rises out of people. Don't worry, the country isn't all bad. If it wasn't for the support of the entire Russian government the Trump campaign would have collapsed under itself and we'd be bored out of our minds with Hillary doing an amazing job at being a moderate D president.
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Jul 15, 2017 20:49
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How is this loving legal? Is everyone Trump knows considered part of his "campaign"?
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Jul 15, 2017 20:50
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cant cook creole bream posted:Your electorate is irredeemable. The last time I said something like this, I felt bad afterwards, because a lot of them are just indoctrinated in the propaganda. But nowadays I don't think it's just that anymore. A huge part of your population simply consists of bad people, who gladly harm themselves and their families as long as it also makes their political opponents unhappy. What sort of vile person would enjoy pissing of someone that much? Your country has a Machiavellian level of hatred where these people would gladly cut of their own nose if it meant that the ACA would collapse. That's not what the data says at all, though. Most people aren't actively evil, but there is a weird semi-religious compulsion in America that "both sides" are equally as bad, agreeing with a person more than 50% of the time is bad, and everything is normal and happens automatically, so don't bother doing anything. It's not that most people are malicious, it's that most people don't care or think that everything is bad and they are above engaging with it.
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Jul 15, 2017 20:51
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Cheekio posted:Why didn't Kushner's laywers just delete the emails immediately upon finding them? Did Kushner not know DNC dirt was handed over because he left the meeting early, and he thought that "tried but failed" was not enough to prove collusion? Your attorney isn't going to tell you to destroy evidence. Not only is that a crime in and of itself, if it can be shown you deleted the emails then it's going to make you look even worse. Plus, remember that even if Kushner wiped his hard drive that doesn't mean the emails go away. You'd also have to wipe every trace of the email from everyone who was on the email chain, including people in different countries and people who are already under investigation.
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Jul 15, 2017 20:53
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gently caress! Dude, it's over! Those ratbastards are going to ruin healthcare! God damnit!
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Jul 15, 2017 20:53
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Yeah seriously stop responding to LT. 20 minutes of looking for this article I get nothing.
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Jul 15, 2017 20:55
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I'd actually be more okay with 80% of the population being maliciously evil. The fact that 80+% of the population thinks "Republican healthcare bill is bad, but Obamacare is equally as bad, and healthcare before Obamacare was equally as bad as Obamacare. Therefore, Republican healthcare bill is the same as Obamacare, just in different ways." is way more infuriating.
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Jul 15, 2017 20:56
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Source your quotes oughta be the forum motto.
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Jul 15, 2017 20:57
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cant cook creole bream posted:Your electorate is irredeemable. The last time I said something like this, I felt bad afterwards, because a lot of them are just indoctrinated in the propaganda. But nowadays I don't think it's just that anymore. A huge part of your population simply consists of bad people, who gladly harm themselves and their families as long as it also makes their political opponents unhappy. What sort of vile person would enjoy pissing of someone that much? Your country has a Machiavellian level of hatred where these people would gladly cut of their own nose if it meant that the ACA would collapse. It's an aging minority. We added lead to our gasoline between 1930 and 1975 and it cooked the brains of a bunch of people who are now over 65 when they were children.
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Jul 15, 2017 20:59
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The first one on Heller is from NY Magazine. The second on 2018 I can't find anywhere. If care to know Stan Greenberg's feelings on the dems, here you go: https://www.greenbergresearch.com/his-thinking/2017/5/25/dems-working-class-problems
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Jul 15, 2017 20:59
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Aurubin posted:Yeah seriously stop responding to LT. 20 minutes of looking for this article I get nothing. yeah two things a.) where the hell did this article come from b.) i find it kind of interesting that the point you specifically bolded/posted for is the one without any actual poll information? (not that the part you posted sources / provides much at all, anyway)
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Jul 15, 2017 21:00
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I find it weird that people are yelling at those who believed LT rather than yelling at LT for posting fake unsourced stories. In other words WampaLord posted:Stop all the loving irony gimmicks, jesus christ can't we just talk like people?
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Jul 15, 2017 21:01
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I'm 25 and until this election I was very much so in the "nothing matters, my one vote is useless, all candidates are basically the same in the sense that they serve money and not us anyways" camp. Trump definitely opened my eyes to the fact that even if you think that way, you can still vote for damage control. So I'm becoming a big boy and getting more into politics and trying to get involved but I have some questions about the tone of the entire system. For those of you who have actually been through this a million times already - how bad is it? What I'm getting at is, how reliable is ANYTHING? Are there actually any reliable good-guys out there in the media or in politics at all? Is Trump being publicly investigated because of potential collusion, or because their hand is forced since the public suspects he has colluded? Is this the kind of poo poo that all presidents do and only the ones who are bad at it get in trouble? Or is the system actually better then that and full of people who actually care about "the rules"? I'm just looking for your opinions from experience, obviously none of you would know if every president ever has been doing shady illegal poo poo constantly.
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Jul 15, 2017 21:02
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Wait lol, LT is a great troll. He took a NY Magazine article and changed it to make it sound more dire. Alternatively, they changed it in the interim. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/07/gop-confident-sen-heller-will-be-bought-off-on-trumpcare.html
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Jul 15, 2017 21:03
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Huh, I guess I can't trust the information in this thread. Well, it seems like I have to rely on the presidents twitter to get true news. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/886283456644251652 Turns out, Obamacare is bad. Edit: Oh god I can't get through this! His face is incredibly creepy when he squints to look at his text. Nothing except his mouth moves. But that moves way to much and is constantly showing his teeth. Who ever talks like that? I feel uncomfortable watching that person! cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Jul 15, 2017 |
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Jul 15, 2017 21:07
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Hey guys, remember Tom Arnold and the "N-word" tape that was rumored after the "Pussy-grab" tape? Tom was on a podcast I listen to Thursday and was asked about it ("Never not funny "- if you're inclined to listen to the interview after reading this non-sense). Whether or not you're inclined to believe the ramblings of Tom Arnold, the gist of his comments were as follows: Tom hates Trump a loooot. Tom's brother is a huge supporter / donor of one of the people Trump attacked in the campaign "A former injured POW and long serving public servant" - alluding to McCain but not outright saying it. He took the tape to his brother and then the tape was shown to McCain. McCain thought the tape was damaging to Trump but not in the eyes of his supporters, but more so McCain pointed out all the other high profile "important people" Trump was saying these things in front of, on tape. The likelihood of this being traced back to the people who recorded/filmed this was near 100% and the people who did fear for the safety of themselves and their family. What if there is no piss tape. What if the tape the Russians have is this N-word tape. Sure would explain why the GOP is working so hard to back Trump up and pretend there is no Russian problem. What if they got their marching orders from the people on the tape who don't want video of them palling around and laughing about "N-word jokes" to reach the public. Listen for yourself. I don't know if it's this modern world we live in but this conspiracy poo poo actually makes sense. Do I need psychiatric help?
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Frankenfinger posted:Hey guys, remember Tom Arnold and the "N-word" tape that was rumored after the "Pussy-grab" tape? Tom was on a podcast I listen to Thursday and was asked about it ("Never not funny "- if you're inclined to listen to the interview after reading this non-sense). both tapes are real and exist and are things, but do not have anything to do with one another that is what makes the most sense
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Jul 15, 2017 21:11
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American politics in a nutshell:quote:Everything is horrible, but I don't want it to change too much.
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Jul 15, 2017 21:13
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God drat, this bill is a living nightmare. Every day, I think it's on the fast track to passing. This bill needs to die, not just for my sanity, but for the health of every poor and middle class American. How can "resistance" be melting away? They're claiming they are going to bring it vote next week! This bill is terrible! Just loving stop!
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Jul 15, 2017 21:15
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business hammocks posted:It's an aging minority. We added lead to our gasoline between 1930 and 1975 and it cooked the brains of a bunch of people who are now over 65 when they were children. This is actually a non ridiculous theory
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Jul 15, 2017 21:15
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Frankenfinger posted:Whether or not you're inclined to believe the ramblings of Tom Arnold, I'm gonna have to stop you there. Probably both videos are real. There is probably also a video of underage prostitutes on Epstein's plane pissing on Trump while calling him a friend of the family. It won't matter to his base, but hopefully any one of these could be the thing that starts the rats fleeing from the failing USS Trump
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Covok posted:God drat, this bill is a living nightmare. Every day, I think it's on the fast track to passing. This bill needs to die, not just for my sanity, but for the health of every poor and middle class American. How can "resistance" be melting away? They're claiming they are going to bring it vote next week! This bill is terrible! Just loving stop! Every time Trump opens his mouth about the bill, especially in an effort to put pressure on Congressional Republicans, it losses support. Every time.
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Frankenfinger posted:Hey guys, remember Tom Arnold and the "N-word" tape that was rumored after the "Pussy-grab" tape? Tom was on a podcast I listen to Thursday and was asked about it ("Never not funny "- if you're inclined to listen to the interview after reading this non-sense). He's been talking about that tape for a year. It's an Apprentice gag reel that also has him calling Barron a retard and yelling at his wife. The editors made it because they thought it was funny. Whoever releases it will be sued for 5 million because of an nda involving the show.
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Aurubin posted:Wait lol, LT is a great troll. He took a NY Magazine article and changed it to make it sound more dire. Alternatively, they changed it in the interim. starting to think he does it to see if he can send covok into another histrionic episode
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Jul 15, 2017 21:18
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business hammocks posted:He's been talking about that tape for a year. It's an Apprentice gag reel that also has him calling Barron a retard and yelling at his wife. The editors made it because they thought it was funny. Whoever releases it will be sued for 5 million because of an nda involving the show. Sounds like a job for crowdfunding. and yeah I know the bigger issue is that they'd have a hard time ever getting another job since employers don't look kindly on people who break NDAs.
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Space T Rex posted:I'm 25 and until this election I was very much so in the "nothing matters, my one vote is useless, all candidates are basically the same in the sense that they serve money and not us anyways" camp. Trump definitely opened my eyes to the fact that even if you think that way, you can still vote for damage control. So I'm becoming a big boy and getting more into politics and trying to get involved but I have some questions about the tone of the entire system. Dems are far better than Republicans but appear to lack the conviction/desire to move as far left as the rest of the developed world and as always they want to court big donors etc. In my view, Republicans are loving insane top to bottom and have been obsessed with obtaining and consolidating power and rendering themselves free of electoral consequences by gerrymandering, voter suppression, and sheer disrespect for rules or standards of conduct. The Trump campaign essentially did collude with Russia by their own admission with Junior's release of his emails. I really don't know very much about past government scandals beyond Watergate. In any case, Trump is special because he convincingly appears, by his behavior, to be thoroughly compromised by Russia for either financial or pee tape reasons and, given that Republicans won't break with him so far, they're complicit. So we have a hostile foreign nation now exercising too much influence in our country's affairs, which is bad. If the scandal is as bad as I think it is (Trump and some in top Republican leadership compromised by Russia and working to advance Russian interests) it's way worse than Watergate was.
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I'm kind of wondering how long it would take the entire healthcare industry to just completely crash. The cuts to Medicaid are definitely going to lead to a reduction in the healthcare industry workforce. This Cruz plan seems to put things back to the way they were pre ACA.
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Jul 15, 2017 21:20
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cant cook creole bream posted:Your electorate is irredeemable. The last time I said something like this, I felt bad afterwards, because a lot of them are just indoctrinated in the propaganda. But nowadays I don't think it's just that anymore. A huge part of your population simply consists of bad people, who gladly harm themselves and their families as long as it also makes their political opponents unhappy. What sort of vile person would enjoy pissing of someone that much? Your country has a Machiavellian level of hatred where these people would gladly cut of their own nose if it meant that the ACA would collapse. Machiavelli was very specific about not loving people over unless it was worth it, because if you're going to make enemies it better be for a drat good reason.
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Hollismason posted:I'm kind of wondering how long it would take the entire healthcare industry to just completely crash. The cuts to Medicaid are definitely going to lead to a reduction in the healthcare industry workforce. This Cruz plan seems to put things back to the way they were pre ACA. Couple month, depending on the exact date everything is set to take effect.
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