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he seems to be quite capable with drones, I wonder why this guy isn't "defending" Russia in the trenches in Ukraine
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May 17, 2024 18:55
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Funny how the tankies went from banging drums and shouting about how the Slovakian assassination being evil CIA or ukrainian plot into instantly memory holing the event when it became apparent that it was more of a friendly fire between Moscow bootlickers.
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May 17, 2024 18:56
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ContinuityNewTimes posted:Like firing v-weapons at Belgorod while your army retreats? I still dgaf.
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May 17, 2024 19:14
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AnacondaHL posted:I fully understand and agree, and recognize the difference between long-term, short-term, and trigger mechanisms to how wars start. Or it was Euromaidan and their clear desire to orient towards the west. Or Putin felt old and worried about his legacy. Do you have any particular reason to believe it was triggered specifically by the discovery of another gas field?
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May 17, 2024 19:29
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Putin is a real piece of poo poo.
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May 17, 2024 19:32
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ContinuityNewTimes posted:Like firing v-weapons at Belgorod while your army retreats? Empty gestures is when Ukraine fires missiles at Russian cities. Praxis is when Russia fires missiles at Ukrainian cities. I am very smart.
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May 17, 2024 19:34
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ContinuityNewTimes posted:Like firing v-weapons at Belgorod while your army retreats? Why do you love imperialism so much?
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May 17, 2024 19:44
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Kchama posted:Why do you love imperialism so much? Imperialism and colonialism is when boat. Russia doesn't have a black sea fleet anymore, so it can't be imperialism.
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May 17, 2024 19:48
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Kchama posted:Why do you love imperialism so much? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) TM edit Removed personal attack Somebody fucked around with this message at 20:34 on May 17, 2024 |
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May 17, 2024 19:53
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Both of you stop this poo poo Also do you have proof of your claim Continuity because if not id retract that real quick
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May 17, 2024 19:56
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Seth Pecksniff posted:Both of you stop this poo poo Are you totally unaware of common idiomatic English?
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May 17, 2024 19:57
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Seth Pecksniff posted:Both of you stop this poo poo https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question quote:Such questions may be used as a rhetorical tool: the question attempts to limit direct replies to be those that serve the questioner's agenda.[2] The traditional example is the question "Have you stopped beating your wife?" Come on, now
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May 17, 2024 20:00
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Truthfully I don't give a poo poo because this is all off topic anyway so get back on track 
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May 17, 2024 20:02
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I feel like the question of "does they do it for glorious empire or does they do it for oil" is irrelevant because the reason they're invading is they can try to do both and make both types of psychos happy. The question of motive is really only going to come into play when they're discussing when to go home.
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May 17, 2024 20:08
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Are you gonna retract that claim still? Seth Pecksniff posted:Both of you stop this poo poo I'll apologize to you.
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May 17, 2024 20:14
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Computer viking posted:Or it was Euromaidan and their clear desire to orient towards the west. Or Putin felt old and worried about his legacy. Do you have any particular reason to believe it was triggered specifically by the discovery of another gas field? Right, those things are the long term and short term causes. As for the trigger, aside from of course the timing making sense, it's a common model of modern state conflict at this point. Some estimate a quarter to a half of all inter-state wars have been over oil since 1973. Note this was written in 2013, and a bunch of their notes in the "watch out for unexpected sources of conflict" section such as shipping lanes, pipelines, and petro-aggression have all manifested since then. Obviously pointing at the Middle East is way too easy, so a cleaner example of how these long term and short term issues can combine with a sudden oil discovery that becomes a trigger is the current Venezuela/Guyana border dispute. A long history of baggage, a sudden discovery of oil in the Guyana exclusive economic zone, and Venezuela wants the milkshake. It's so obvious, that the relationship in the timeline is baked directly into the wikipedia page of the conflict. For Russia/Ukraine, it is slightly indirect, instead being in the general prewar information here. But there were short term causes too, and the entire list of recent disputes over natural gas is listed here. The timelines align flush on each other, and fit the same structure. edit: I feel I should mention that both the Shell and Cheveron agreements with Ukraine were ready to go in 2013, so yea, timeline. AnacondaHL fucked around with this message at 20:57 on May 17, 2024 |
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May 17, 2024 20:15
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Seth, can you edit that out? That's a real lovely thing to have been said about someone
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May 17, 2024 20:33
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Yeah I got it
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May 17, 2024 20:34
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Tai posted:Seth, can you edit that out? That's a real lovely thing to have been said about someone Lol at being so illiterate you would consider an archetypal example of a loaded question to be an actual accusation.
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May 17, 2024 20:51
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Yeah, they weren't actually accusing them of that.
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May 17, 2024 20:55
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You do understand that you're assuming everyone who reads it understands its meaning right?
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May 17, 2024 21:00
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lol
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May 17, 2024 21:10
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Tai posted:You do understand that you're assuming everyone who reads it understands its meaning right? Was it about assaulting your partner? It's a typical response to being asked a loaded question, to mock the question
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May 17, 2024 21:11
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Rust Martialis posted:Was it about assaulting your partner? It's a typical response to being asked a loaded question, to mock the question Mine was a genuine response to him defending Russia with every post. After all, that must mean he loves imperialism if he's gonna defend it. In other words, I was giving his post all the respect it deserved: None.
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May 17, 2024 21:38
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It's a fairly commonly understood idiom and CNT was threadshitting and I'm glad they're probed.  PULL UPAnacondaHL posted:Right, those things are the long term and short term causes. Maybe we can agree on "contributing factor", there are surely quite a few. I thought this all started with talking about why Ukraine would be hardline unwilling to let go of those territories absent a total military defeat rather than "this is THE reason the war is happening", to which the same can apply - I'm sure "our prewar citizens being murdered/forcibly relocated" has a big impact on whatever calculus is going on too.
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May 17, 2024 21:43
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Here's a nice palette cleanser https://x.com/KyryliukRoma/status/1791553863859785799 This some of where all that BIG GOVERNMENT ARMS DEFENSE CONTRACTOR money is going - straight into Raytheon's pockets!! And one of the reasons Russia got turned into ground beef and their offensive sputtered out https://x.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1791393222272373227
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May 17, 2024 21:48
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Sedgr posted:Putin is a real piece of poo poo.
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May 17, 2024 22:00
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Wildfires on Russian positions? Mother Global Warming lends a hand 
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May 17, 2024 22:04
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Strategic Tea posted:Wildfires on Russian positions? Mother Global Warming lends a hand Pay no attention to the smoking accidents behind the curtain.
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May 17, 2024 22:14
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tiaz posted:It's a fairly commonly understood idiom and CNT was threadshitting and I'm glad they're probed. I'm AOK with the term contributing factor. I'll also issue a self correction: I had the events of Euromaidan and the oil and gas discoveries reversed in my mind, but as it turns out Euromaidan was also a result of the discoveries, with the EU trying to ensure a good trade agreement with Ukraine over grain and gas exports, among all the other things. So all that foundation leads to what an acceptable end to the war would look like for Ukraine, and by extension, the EU and the USA. Donetsk and Luhansk are non-negotiable because they all want the gas.
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May 17, 2024 22:22
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https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1791719057378484244quote:🇺🇦👀 "Ukraine is against any truce that plays into the hands of the enemy", — Zelensky on the Olympic truce.
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May 18, 2024 10:53
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poor waif posted:Empty gestures is when Ukraine fires missiles at Russian cities. Praxis is when Russia fires missiles at Ukrainian cities. I am very smart. They aren’t exactly equal, Russia is advancing and Ukraine is being pushed back. Like, I remember people celebrating Ukraine’s strikes on Belgorod, but the Russians were able to respond by marching like 50 miles into Ukraine, facing very little resistance most of the way, just to be like “hey knock it off”
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May 18, 2024 14:11
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Gripweed posted:They aren’t exactly equal, Russia is advancing and Ukraine is being pushed back. Like, I remember people celebrating Ukraine’s strikes on Belgorod, but the Russians were able to respond by marching like 50 miles into Ukraine, facing very little resistance most of the way, just to be like “hey knock it off” Maybe Russia should knock it off? They started it.
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May 18, 2024 14:17
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Wait are you saying that Russia chucking missiles at malls and hospitals and parks was in service of a military advance?
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May 18, 2024 14:20
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Subjunctive posted:Wait are you saying that Russia chucking missiles at malls and hospitals and parks was in service of a military advance? No, for both sides the idea is to reduce civilian willingness to support the war. I don’t think that has ever worked, but army guys keep doing it. But it certainly seems less likely to work on the side that’s actively winning. And it seems like maybe not a great use of munitions when you’re losing and desperately need munitions.
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May 18, 2024 14:26
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Gripweed posted:They aren’t exactly equal, Russia is advancing and Ukraine is being pushed back. Like, I remember people celebrating Ukraine’s strikes on Belgorod, but the Russians were able to respond by marching like 50 miles into Ukraine, facing very little resistance most of the way, just to be like “hey knock it off” If Ukraine hadn't struck Belgorod, the latest advance would never have occurred. The three day march on Kyiv was actually a time travelling strike force retaliating for this shameful western aggression
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May 18, 2024 15:24
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Gripweed posted:They aren’t exactly equal, Russia is advancing and Ukraine is being pushed back. Like, I remember people celebrating Ukraine’s strikes on Belgorod, but the Russians were able to respond by marching like 50 miles into Ukraine, facing very little resistance most of the way, just to be like “hey knock it off” lmao dumb rear end. You know the Belgorod area stuff is from the Russian Freedom Legion right? They are Russians who hate Putin. They've been loving around in that area for ages and post regular videos. Also Russia hasn't advanced 50 miles. More like 3 miles aka the grey zone.
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May 18, 2024 15:29
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Gripweed posted:No, for both sides the idea is to reduce civilian willingness to support the war. I don’t think that has ever worked, but army guys keep doing it. But it certainly seems less likely to work on the side that’s actively winning. And it seems like maybe not a great use of munitions when you’re losing and desperately need munitions. For a guy that says he doesn't read news and just browses the thread you sure seem to bring up specific figures that nobody in any thread talked about a lot. So what are your sources again? Because nobody, including the Russians, is talking about them advancing much in this last push.
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May 18, 2024 15:46
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Tai posted:lmao dumb rear end. You know the Belgorod area stuff is from the Russian Freedom Legion right? They are Russians who hate Putin. They've been loving around in that area for ages and post regular videos. Also Russia hasn't advanced 50 miles. More like 3 miles aka the grey zone. Is the BBC spreading tankie disinformation again? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68998913.amp quote:The Belgorod region has often been targeted by Ukrainian forces since the start of Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022 Mulva posted:For a guy that says he doesn't read news and just browses the thread you sure seem to bring up specific figures that nobody in any thread talked about a lot. So what are your sources again? Because nobody, including the Russians, is talking about them advancing much in this last push. I didn’t know the actual distance so I just pulled a number out of the air Gripweed fucked around with this message at 15:58 on May 18, 2024 |
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May 18, 2024 15:51
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Gripweed posted:They aren’t exactly equal, Russia is advancing and Ukraine is being pushed back. Like, I remember people celebrating Ukraine’s strikes on Belgorod, but the Russians were able to respond by marching like 50 miles into Ukraine, facing very little resistance most of the way, just to be like “hey knock it off” 50 miles? Gripweed posted:I didn’t know the actual distance so I just pulled a number out of the air lol yeah you did Dandywalken fucked around with this message at 16:01 on May 18, 2024 |
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