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Tunicate posted:Well, his message did get to Marsh, sooo... But Marsh already knew about the spikes and the control they gave over people. Spook contributed nothing to the main story and his scenes were only relevant because Sazed was there. Everything that happened with Sazed could have taken place anywhere too. Its not like he even contributed to Sazed's character arc either.
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Nitrousoxide posted:All told I think I'll read the next mistborn book. AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
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May 28, 2014 18:13
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Kraps posted:AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT I like the story but Sanderson has a problem with leaving too much fat in the books. The second book had a pointless first third to half. The third book has issues with the Spook storyline. Aside from those structure issues, the characterization is fine the world is interesting, the magic is cool and the descriptions are engaging. If the fat was cut they would be great books rather than just middling.
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May 28, 2014 18:20
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Nitrousoxide posted:I like the story but Sanderson has a problem with leaving too much fat in the books. The second book had a pointless first third to half. The third book has issues with the Spook storyline. Aside from those structure issues, the characterization is fine the world is interesting, the magic is cool and the descriptions are engaging. He gets better! Mistborn was still pretty early in his career. 
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May 28, 2014 19:23
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Nitrousoxide posted:But Marsh already knew about the spikes and the control they gave over people. Spook contributed nothing to the main story and his scenes were only relevant because Sazed was there. Everything that happened with Sazed could have taken place anywhere too. Its not like he even contributed to Sazed's character arc either. I don't think Marsh knew that Vin had a spike, though. He learned that Vin could take in the mists and that Ruin was afraid of that. Spooks message (that a spike doesn't need to be large and could be tiny) made him realise that Vin may have a spike, and couldn't take in the mists when it was in.
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May 29, 2014 00:39
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Nitrousoxide posted:I like the story but Sanderson has a problem with leaving too much fat in the books. The second book had a pointless first third to half. The third book has issues with the Spook storyline. Aside from those structure issues, the characterization is fine the world is interesting, the magic is cool and the descriptions are engaging. While I enjoyed the books I did kinda feel the same way, which is partly why I love the next book so much.
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May 29, 2014 00:50
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Lobsterpillar posted:I don't think Marsh knew that Vin had a spike, though. He learned that Vin could take in the mists and that Ruin was afraid of that. Spooks message (that a spike doesn't need to be large and could be tiny) made him realise that Vin may have a spike, and couldn't take in the mists when it was in. Marsh didn't put together that she had a spike in her until the end. The plate didn't give him the idea. In fact, he already knew about spikes being small. He spiked, under the direction of Ruin, the king of the central province using a tiny spike. In fact we were treated to his Ruin inspired musings about how they could have used an even smaller instead of the spike he was using. The metal plate Marsh read for Ruin didn't tell him or the reader anything we didn't already know. It was pointless to kill him because he was literally the ONLY thing that might have let Spook have an impact on the main storyline. I don't have a problem with exploring Spook's character, but Sanderson could have either given him some impact on the main storyline where he was or just moved him to the city that Elrand was sieging trying to take it from the inside. Then, at least, his actions could have pushed the main story along. As written, however, the Spook interludes were just pointless filler content that did nothing to drive the main story arc.
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I do remember his chapters being a bit of a slog, but the thing about Spook is that his actions post-Mistborn trilogy dramatically impact the world and will probably influence the next two trilogies in that world. He didn't do much to impact the overall plot of the original three books though.
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Nitrousoxide posted:So I finished the third Mistborn book it was okay. I didn't feel like Spook's chapters really contributed anything to the story at all. Spook's chapters weren't there for the rest of the world, they were there for you to understand how Ruin works. It also set him up as someone worthy of leading the post-post-apocalyptic world. He's critical to understanding what is going on. Sure, it could have been done differently, but I liked his chapters and prefer it the way it is. As for spoilers, this is the general Sanderson thread, and the book has been out for years. Spoiler policy says it's fair game. I checked.
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I do remember his chapters being a bit of a slog, but the thing about Spook is that his actions post-Mistborn trilogy dramatically impact the world and will probably influence the next two trilogies in that world. He didn't do much to impact the overall plot of the original three books though. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Democratic Pirate posted:I do remember his chapters being a bit of a slog, but the thing about Spook is that his actions post-Mistborn trilogy dramatically impact the world and will probably influence the next two trilogies in that world. He didn't do much to impact the overall plot of the original three books though. apt gangbang posted:I do remember his chapters being a bit of a slog, but the thing about Spook is that his actions post-Mistborn trilogy dramatically impact the world and will probably influence the next two trilogies in that world. He didn't do much to impact the overall plot of the original three books though. What happened there? And yeah, just like Vin was used in book 1 to examine Allomancy, and Sazed was used in book 2 to learn about Feruchemy, Spooks chapters were used to teach the reader (not the rest of the world) what Hemalurgy can do. Also, seeing the church of the Survivor pick up Spook as a new survivor was pretty vital to Sazed's arc so I'd disagree that it wasn't important to the immediate plot anyway.
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Well I posted first and don't have an alt so  I have a feeling we'll learn more Spook stuff in the next trilogy or Alloy of Law sequel; he probably got up to some weird stuff.
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Just finished Words of Radiance and wow...I thought that was his best book by far. Sanderson continues to consistently improve. Gonna read this whole thread to see what people have to say, before I go further in depth. EDIT: Fezz posted:That excerpt was posted on Tor.com.  While I figured out Judge Dred was a Herald during his appearance before Seth it never crossed my mind that lady might be a Herald. I'm going to have to reread all their chapters now. Charlz Guybon fucked around with this message at 09:46 on May 31, 2014 |
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May 31, 2014 09:13
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We have apparently seen all 10 heralds
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computer parts posted:Skin Game in about 5 days. What's skin game, precious?
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uh zip zoom posted:What's skin game, precious? The new Dresden Files book by Jim Butcher.
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ulmont posted:The new Dresden Files book by Jim Butcher. My good friend keeps telling me to read those. Are they all heists? I saw the first episode of that adaptation they did for sci-fi; wasn't terrible.
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uh zip zoom posted:My good friend keeps telling me to read those. Are they all heists? I saw the first episode of that adaptation they did for sci-fi; wasn't terrible. No, the most recent is a heist. The rest are all mysteries really. Takes a real Noir theme at times.
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He's definitely in the vein of the hard-bitten, chain-smoking, whiskey-swigging detectives (though he only drinks the occasional *craft* beer and only smokes when he's literally on fire, which happens a lot) taking cases for hard-on-their-luck "dames" and getting shot at constantly. There's lots of internal monologue similar to that genre as well. Dresden's also a huge goon that plays D&D, wears trenchcoats, and literally lives in a basement with swords. Despite the covers, he actually is never said to wear a hat (so no fedora for the bingo) but I think he wore cut-off shorts in one book. Jim Butcher has no qualms making fun of his character. It's a pretty fun series, though Dresden has a weird attitude about women; author-wise, female characters are generally capable and some are terrifying. E: I'm told that the cut-offs were actually boxers with duckies on them.
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If you start reading the series, the first book or two are kinda bad but get steadily better.
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rafikki posted:If you start reading the series, the first book or two are kinda bad but get steadily better. they're just kinda bleh, but picks up quickly around book 3 and by book 4 is genuinely awesome. after that they just get better for the most part. Also his Codex Alera series is full on great
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treeboy posted:Also his Codex Alera series is full on great Until the final book when it suddenly becomes DBZ.
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404GoonNotFound posted:Until the final book when it suddenly becomes DBZ. The codex alera books are terrible. Shoddy plotting, boring characters who do stupid things, and mysteries that are telegraphed for hundreds of pages before being revealed as exactly what everyone thought they were. And there's none of the winning humor of the Dresden Files. Stay far away.
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Just finished Alloy of Law. It was great, easily my favorite Sanderson yet. I wouldn't say his prose has improved a ton compared to Elantris/Mistborn, but he sure has cut out of lot of the annoying issues I had with previous books. Looking forward to the next Wax and Wayne book, any word on when to expect it? Can't decide if I want to read Warbreaker next, or just move on to Way of Kings.
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Damo posted:Just finished Alloy of Law. I think either later this year or in the first half of next year. There is an advance chapter on brandonsanderson.com (that was linked a page or so back)
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Damo posted:Just finished Alloy of Law. Warbreaker is pretty short, and there's an easter egg in WoK/WoR if you've already read it.
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I found Alloy of Law and Words of Radiance much funnier than his previous works. Since my sense of humor hasn't changed in the last couple of years I guess he's finally getting better at that.  EDIT: Changed Way of Kings to Words of Radiance Charlz Guybon fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Jun 2, 2014 |
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Charlz Guybon posted:I found Alloy of Law and Way of Kings much funnier than his previous works. Since my sense of humor hasn't changed in the last couple of years I guess he's finally getting better at that. Yeah, Wayne is a fantastic character, aside from his humor and skills, the parts from his POV and his ruminations on hats and accents and life in general are amazing IMO.
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For those that don't know, Brandon Sanderson does a weekly podcast with some other writers. http://www.writingexcuses.com He doesn't generally get into details about the plot of his books but it is interesting to see how he thinks about his magic systems and structure of his novels. The podcast is more focused on aspiring writers than readers of his books but as even someone who ends up on the shameful mention list on the thunderdome more often then not, like I do, its actually really interesting. Nitrousoxide fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Jun 1, 2014 |
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WOR If the Spren can never really die and come back to life if their Knight regains his honor, then surely a Shard can never truly die either, merely be broken or merged with another. I wonder if Odium merely dealt Honor the final blow. Unlike Ruin, Preservation or Cultivation, Honor is not based on a physical process but on an ideal. If the collective beliefs and ideals of people can so strongly effect the makeup of reality as is explained by Jasnah, then surely the betrayal of nine Heralds and then the Knights Radiant would effect Honor quite negatively, weakening him severely. Conversely, if Kaladin and Dalinar bring honor back into this world, could not Honor be resurrected, or at the least his splinters greatly strengthened? Charlz Guybon fucked around with this message at 10:26 on Jun 2, 2014 |
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Charlz Guybon posted:WOR If the Spren can never really die and come back to life if their Knight regains his honor, then surely a Shard can never truly die either, merely be broken or merged with another. Honour was splintered, which is why there are so many more Spren around than their used to be. Theoretically it would be possible for someone to pick up the power if they were able to remerge the splinters of honour back into their whole. Pretty sure the Nahel bond is when someone takes up the power of Honour only on a much smaller scale with a much smaller piece of Honour (which is what I think happens with Investiture on other Shard worlds when somebody gains access to their relevant magic system, they are bonding with a piece of the shards power, so like what happened to Sazed except on a much much smaller scale. What we are seeing with the Stormfather is what happens when there is no will behind a shards intent and the shard (or what's left of it) itself becomes sentient. That's my take on it anyway.
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So I thoroughly enjoyed the Mistborn Trilogy but wasn't enamored with Elantris, where should I go next? I'm not entirely sure if I want to read The Allow of Law considering the ending of the trilogy, I can ascertain form lurking people enjoyed it but I'm not sure how well he's going to transition the world into modernity. Nitrousoxide posted:For those that don't know, Brandon Sanderson does a weekly podcast with some other writers. http://www.writingexcuses.com Thanks for this, I now realise I've listened to a few before, great stuff.
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Alloy of Law owns. Warbreaker is a good next stop if you don't want more Mistborn. You can even get it free in PDF/ebook formats from his website. Elantris is probably his weakest overall book. However, the Emperor's Soul is set on the same world (on another continent) and won a Hugo. It's probably his best piece to date.
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Alloy of Law is the start of a NEW trilogy, not the end of anything. It's not even really a sequel to Mistborn, so much as a novel set in the same world hundreds of years later.
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Read "The Emperor's Soul" next. It's a great short story.
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Emperor's Soul is an amazing piece of literature, let alone fantasy. It's just well-paced, -structured, and -characterized all around.
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thespaceinvader posted:Alloy of Law is the start of a NEW trilogy, not the end of anything. It's not even really a sequel to Mistborn, so much as a novel set in the same world hundreds of years later. From my understanding, AoL was a one-off. The second "trilogy" should start separate from that.
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shivwhorra posted:From my understanding, AoL was a one-off. The second "trilogy" should start separate from that.
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I enjoyed reading Legion a lot, and it's an extremely quick read. I love the concept and have said a few times that it would translate very well to tv with good casting of the core group of hallucinations.
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