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Oligopsony posted:I took that as an aside, not as a final boss, and outside of the context of Scott's other posts (which I won't try to white knight) it seems pretty reasonable. I do think Scott is speaking from a perspective of compassion. But not a perspective of perspective.
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Peztopiary posted:I have a hard time thinking of something that doesn't threaten the dudes of the NRx. Even if they triumphed utterly they'd still have to be on the lookout for a resurgence of Leftist thought, what with Cthulhu and his swimming. Well, especially since even after "defeating" all that opposes them they'll still have all the same problems they have now only they'll have to cast out even further for external factors to blame those on.
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Merdifex posted:Saw this on twitter, going to become a reactionary obsession soon. https://hbr.org/2016/01/diversity-policies-dont-help-women-or-minorities-and-they-make-white-men-feel-threatened Oh lucky me, it is
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Oligopsony posted:I took that as an aside, not as a final boss, and outside of the context of Scott's other posts (which I won't try to white knight) it seems pretty reasonable. Structurally, it's what the piece appears to be leading up to. And you can only say that isn't what he's thinking by ignoring everything else he's ever written. I really don't have patience any more with the LW subculture's obsession with bending over backwards to come up with reasons why something that's clearly reprehensible in a context of a long history of reprehensible things is somehow plausibly reasonable this time around, if you strip it of all context. Everything Scott writes is in the context of what's come from him before. divabot has a new favorite as of 20:14 on Jan 5, 2016 |
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divabot posted:Structurally, it's what the piece appears to be leading up to. And you can only say that isn't what he's thinking by ignoring everything else he's ever written. It's hard to remember that things like history and society exist when you're up in your magical floating city in the sky, rationally contemplating lofty subjects like pure mathematics, meta-level insights, and how to build friendly fuckrobots.
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divabot posted:Structurally, it's what the piece appears to be leading up to. And you can only say that isn't what he's thinking by ignoring everything else he's ever written. I mean, if the question is "what is he subjectively thinking," sure, I guess I just don't find that a very interesting question? As opposed to "how bad are things, actually."
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Oligopsony posted:I mean, if the question is "what is he subjectively thinking," sure, I guess I just don't find that a very interesting question? As opposed to "how bad are things, actually." Well no, the question was "what on earth is that ending doing tacked onto that beginning and who is he actually talking about?" This is something that requires a context, and the correct context is SSC and Scott in general (giving the obvious answer) rather than whatever context one could invent for it that could make it sound not that silly. The rationalist-sphere habit seems to be to go beyond merely principle of charity (or "steelmanning", to touch the poop) and into just making up poo poo to make the ingroup look good. Thus, they are unclear writers and actively bad readers. Oligopsony posted:*feels self slowly morphing into cingulate* noooo. no... I TOLD YOU MAN I TOLD YOU ABOUT CAVES edit: oh, what happened to the Daniel Clowes icon? I liked that guy. divabot has a new favorite as of 13:42 on Jan 6, 2016 |
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So it's not quite DE but it is alt-right types being weird. How about hippie fascists? Sound fun? There used to be an EDM festival, EVOLVE, but last year their venue told them to gently caress off and their ticketing agency broke off their relationship, pretty much killing the festival as a thing. Why? Well, EVOLVE Festival loves many things- Ron Paul, nationalist girls, Gamma Males, guns, Eastern Mysticism™, militia dorks, and Jesus! But there's other things these hippies don't like, such as Jews, Muslims, GMOs, vaccines, Crisis Actors, social justice, Cultural Marxism, sodomites, and white genocide.
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There should be a term for "nerd psychology" similar to "broscience". Reading this is actively painful. http://status451.com/2016/01/06/splain-it-to-me/
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Merdifex posted:There should be a term for "nerd psychology" similar to "broscience". Reading this is actively painful. I want to disagree and say that this person has a point, but as I was writing up my disagreement I realized that A. That point is wrapped up in about 10x as many words as it needed to be communicated effectively and B. The central point, whether intentionally or not, took the default assumption that nerds are special and different from other people.
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Hardly new- "fans are slans" was a thing in the 50's.
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Pope Guilty posted:So it's not quite DE but it is alt-right types being weird. How about hippie fascists? Sound fun? quote:Oh that's imaginative. So I "burned a rainbow flag online"? How edgy and subversive of me. How about I chose an image that represents my opposition to a hard-driven agenda that affects my children, our schools and which is anti-evolutionary, being that it corrupts Nature's biological narrative by channeling the pro-creative urge into fruitless actions that are hostile to Nature's biological imperative? 
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Of course we all have to be worried about the evil  globalists when nearly all internationalist organizations are dysfunctional (UN) or outright failing (EU) and even nation-states themselves are fragmenting along ethnic, religious, and cultural fault lines. loving Spain of all places is cracking apart as I write this! The world is literally shattering into pieces and they're worrying about internationalism.
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Woolie Wool posted:Of course we all have to be worried about the evil When you feel your heart rate going up when looking at the news, look at some statistics where the x axis gives years and starts before 1990. Oligopsony posted:*feels self slowly morphing into cingulate* noooo. no...
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Woolie Wool posted:Of course we all have to be worried about the evil
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Woolie Wool posted:Of course we all have to be worried about the evil Basically any change ever is bad and proof of the conspiracy.
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I've seen the idea of smaller units in a broad federation being an endstate of the EU project from advocates so it's not totally from nowhere. Scotland, for example, is more pro-EU than the UK as a whole. They may be rationalising just as much, though.
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Pope Guilty posted:So it's not quite DE but it is alt-right types being weird. How about hippie fascists? Sound fun? Christ that's like, several threads worth of crazy right there  quote:Question for Shamans: Can a Spiritual Mind Parasite infect the Collective Race Consciousness of an Entire People? quote:Homosexuality is Babylonian Genocide. Satanic to be precise. And while looking for quotes I just ran into https://www.facebook.com/evolvefestival/photos/a.401332512010.180522.112052962010/10153275952882011/?type=3&permPage=1  I'm out for the night.
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And like clockwork, the person who wrote for Clark (and ESR, obviously) get interviewed for Breitbart. http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/01/07/social-justice-warriors-wreaking-havoc-in-open-source-software/
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SlateStarCodex, now rapidly descending into white nationalism:quote:What I want is a Harry Potter fanfic set in a world where blood purism is correct. As another Tumblr user points out, the "Interdict of Merlin" is fanfic-only bullshit made up by Yudkowsky for I Am the Way, the Truth, and the Methods of Rationality. But then again, Scott's an idiot.
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I just realized why that "Hitler did nothing wrong" post I found from those EVOLVE weirdos a few posts up struck me as so weird and unusual. It uses Hitler to come to the conclusion that fiat currency issued by a central government is a good thing and the gold standard is a conspiracy by the drat Jews and WWII only happened because Hitler was so awesome all the banks got jealous. It's just unexpected to see a fascist come to a conclusion that's not BUY AND HORDE
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Curvature of Earth posted:SlateStarCodex, now rapidly descending into white nationalism: I conclude Scott has a super brain.
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Curvature of Earth posted:SlateStarCodex, now rapidly descending into white nationalism: aaaaa aaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa what's the interdict of Merlin, even reading summaries of HPMOR is like pulling teeth for me
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The Vosgian Beast posted:aaaaa A piece of ancient magic that makes it impossible for sufficiently powerful magical knowledge to be written down. Basically nobody can write a textbook about how to make a Philosopher's Stone, the knowledge can only be transferred orally.
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quote:And my theory is that white people being hateful to black people is just a specific example - and by no means the most important - of the principles of ingroups and outgroups that control everything http://slatestarscratchpad.tumblr.com/post/136848960486/someone-fight-me-about-free-speech
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The piece about guns Scott just wrote is by a wide margin the least idiotic non-scholarly thing I've read on the topic in years. He's dropping some dubious, naive, or stupid sentences ever so often, but at least it's not consistently numerically illiterate to a painful degree like basically every other time somebody puts a graph under their argument.
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Cingulate posted:The piece about guns Scott just wrote is by a wide margin the least idiotic non-scholarly thing I've read on the topic in years. He often misses the point that statistical analyses don't prove causation.
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Merdifex posted:He often misses the point that statistical analyses don't prove causation. Also, in that one of the many reasons why every other article on the topic is so idiotic is that they put up a scatterplot (usually without controlling for anything) and scream there there the line points [upwards/downwards] guns are [bad/good]!!!!! and Scott's not.
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Cingulate posted:That's a nonsequitur given Scott writes a lot about where he considers causation probable and where not in that piece. That's not what I was talking about, Scott commonly links to statistical analyses, either his own or of others, as if he's proven something, or to debunk what someone else is saying. Scott ignores even what he says about whether he does or does not think some explanation of something is probably, and acts as if it's 100% probable. I'm not defending lovely stats practice by most people, but simply discussing a frustrating tendency of Scott and rationalists.
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Merdifex posted:That's not what I was talking about, Scott commonly links to statistical analyses, either his own or of others, as if he's proven something, or to debunk what someone else is saying. Scott ignores even what he says about whether he does or does not think some explanation of something is probably, and acts as if it's 100% probable. Merdifex posted:I'm not defending lovely stats practice by most people, but simply discussing a frustrating tendency of Scott and rationalists. For example, I bet his position on gun control is now much better grounded than yours, whatever yours is, and certainly better than 80% of the people writing about it for newspapers and 98% of these talking about it on some form of screen. So you're technically correct in what you're saying. You're just lacking perspective.
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Please tell us more about how Dark Enlightenment bloggers are better informed and smarter than us, Cingulate Perhaps you could diagnose our... cognitive fallacies while you're at it.
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Cingulate posted:To a reasonably good approximation, there's two kinds of people: the ones who do that, and the ones who don't even do that, and the former kind is much better than the latter. That's not saying much. And the only reason Scott's statistical analysis here is any good is because he received help from smarter people on tumblr. Comparatively, the statistics he was doing previously was poo poo. So yes, he is like most other innumerate fools who think they can do statistics, it's just that this time he (almost uncharacteristically) asked for help and turned up something that wasn't a total turd. It remains to be seen whether he gets overconfident about the work he's done and what he's proven, but based on what I've seen of him, I'm not going to update my priors. quote:For example, I bet his position on gun control is now much better grounded than yours, whatever yours is, and certainly better than 80% of the people writing about it for newspapers and 98% of these talking about it on some form of screen. Tell me then where I claimed to have a better grounded position on gun control than Scott's? Scott's analysis is still woefully incomplete, if you ask me, for a conclusive interpretation in any way. By default you'd want some comparative data from around the developed world (part of which Scott has already done) and so on. In any case, statistical analyses don't answer the question, but give us an idea of which questions to ask, especially when it comes to causation. Even the right-wingers who "critiqued" the pieces by Vox or whatever didn't know how to standardize their data. But in any case, I predict that Scott will go back to his intellectually lazy and innumerate ways soon, this sort of thing is more the exception than the norm for him.
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Nessus posted:Please tell us more about how Dark Enlightenment bloggers are better informed and smarter than us, Cingulate Merdifex posted:That's not saying much. And the only reason Scott's statistical analysis here is any good is because he received help from smarter people on tumblr. Comparatively, the statistics he was doing previously was poo poo. So yes, he is like most other innumerate fools who think they can do statistics, it's just that this time he (almost uncharacteristically) asked for help and turned up something that wasn't a total turd. It remains to be seen whether he gets overconfident about the work he's done and what he's proven, but based on what I've seen of him, I'm not going to update my priors. Merdifex posted:Tell me then where I claimed to have a better grounded position on gun control than Scott's? Scott's analysis is still woefully incomplete, if you ask me, for a conclusive interpretation in any way. By default you'd want some comparative data from around the developed world (part of which Scott has already done) and so on. Sure, he's still a lay person and the way he went about predicting real-world impact of interventions made my head hurt. But he's better than every non-lay opinion on this I've I think ever read. Merdifex posted:In any case, statistical analyses don't answer the question, but give us an idea of which questions to ask, especially when it comes to causation. Even the right-wingers who "critiqued" the pieces by Vox or whatever didn't know how to standardize their data. The main thing is that he actually bothered to think about his dependent and independent variables for a second, and considered controlling for confounds regardless of if he liked the results or not. Merdifex posted:But in any case, I predict that Scott will go back to his intellectually lazy and innumerate ways soon, this sort of thing is more the exception than the norm for him. He makes mistakes - often grave ones. But he does not stand out in making mistakes. He stands out in trying not to make them, and then, like any non-professional, fails a lot.
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