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Watching a guy I know play dark souls for the first time and I was reminded of the official strategy guide, written by someone who apparently only died one time. Final paragraph on the page
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I don’t want to be That Guy either, but I also have a kid and run a business. Some days I’ll manage to clear off a solid few hours to really dig into something, but most of the time I’m lucky if I get an hour a day in, usually less. I straight up don’t have time to git gud at something that requires me to spend hours dying in the same spots.
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Oct 16, 2020 06:28
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So many posts here like "well I can't even fathom how many other people have different views on games" and it's like, you're almost getting it, buddy Need I also point out that on average something like 40% of people buying a game don't even beat the tutorial boss?
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Oct 16, 2020 07:19
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People talking about Dark Souls this way feels a little silly because the whole difficulty thing was originally a marketing meme. Yeah it's a tough game but not especially so other than the added tension of few checkpoints and the fear of losing stuff on death. Brickwalling into non-optional bosses doesn't actually happen all that often and people beat the game doing things like playing on a DDR mat or on a Guitar Hero controller so you don't need split second reflexes either, there's even a hilarious 'speedrun' of multiple people playing the games all sharing a single controller and having to desperately coordinate. Here's LPer Geop facing off a notorious early game brick wall, the Capra Demon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7W5XpvMqj4&t=20s Geop wins because they brought enough firebombs (without really meaning to) and just flinging them at the boss and flailing around. This is a boss I had trouble with and complained about years ago and Geop does it on a first try because they were willing to test out a silly strategy that ended up working. I think this is a little different to games like Celeste where there aren't usually 'alternate strategies' unless you're a pro at the advanced movement techniques. Even in Sekiro, a lot of people don't use as many of the different shinobi tools as they could be.
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Oct 16, 2020 08:25
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bewilderment posted:Geop wins because they brought enough firebombs (without really meaning to) and just flinging them at the boss and flailing around. This is a boss I had trouble with and complained about years ago and Geop does it on a first try because they were willing to test out a silly strategy that ended up working. Also because one of the dogs got wedged into a corner and stuck 
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Oct 16, 2020 08:39
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I've seen a lot of people bitching about Witcher 3 on the forums but I'm really digging it, my favorite part of the serie has always been the "gothic medieval horror" theme and it's hitting it out of the park and I'm only level 8. It's soooo much better then W2 which had a lot of issues and felt like a budget xbox game at time. But the skill system is so bad, why so few slots for skills??? There's about a 100 interesting skills you can learn but you can only slot less then a handful at a time. I'm going to mod it up because that is so drat boring, I want a shitload of cool skills at the same time if I can!
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Oct 16, 2020 13:16
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tripwood posted:I've seen a lot of people bitching about Witcher 3 on the forums but I'm really digging it, my favorite part of the serie has always been the "gothic medieval horror" theme and it's hitting it out of the park and I'm only level 8. It's soooo much better then W2 which had a lot of issues and felt like a budget xbox game at time. 
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Oct 16, 2020 13:31
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Yeah, Witcher 3's skill system is bad. I preferred how they did it in Witcher 1, where you didn't have to "equip" skills, you just got given bronze, silver and gold points which you could put into the various aspects of being a witcher, like signs, bombs and sword stuff, and you eventually got enough to max out pretty much everything. In Witcher 3 your choice is, "What kind of Witcher do you want to be?" and in Witcher 1 it's "What part of being a Witcher do you want to be best at first?" For long RPGs that few players are going to replay, the second question is a much better one than the first.
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Oct 16, 2020 14:38
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I've had a lot of fun with both Diablo 3 and Path of Exile, but D3's system is one I can explore and learn myself, PoE is one where I have to look up a build and stick to it because there's no way I have time to figure out how all these things work together. "deckbuilding" build systems like D3 or Guild Wars are pretty cool, though they also tend to be hideously broken if they're flexible enough not to be boring, which creates a whole other family of problems, where the floor and ceiling of player power at the same level are too far apart for any content to reasonably engage both people trying to break the system and people just casualing as for things actually dragging this game down, I really hated how PoE, a game about skill trees, has a whole midgame-relevant skill tree gated behind your ability to clobber your way through this no-checkpoints dungeon and its boss without dying. that poo poo actually made me stop playing, and tbqh I had just started to get cozy with the game's other weird systems and see the value in them
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Oct 16, 2020 16:44
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I bounced hard off of Path of Exile with it's stupid skill tree. It is so incredibly tedious to have to figure out which of the twenty choices you have every level is best, and all the choices are lovely. Like +3% fire damage or other poo poo you would never notice. Like you have to build it right, and the difference between zero skills and a full build is dramatic, but you never feel any more powerful at any given level.
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Oct 16, 2020 17:00
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Alhazred posted:It's the same with AssCreed: Odyssey. I don't want to choose between setting someone on fire or poisoning them. Maybe I want to do both AC:Odyssey desperately needs a third skill wheel, because with all the DLC you get a hilarious amount of skill points, which you more or less just end up dumping on the passive "stats go up"-point sink which unlocks at level 50.
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Oct 16, 2020 17:24
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Der Kyhe posted:AC:Odyssey desperately needs a third skill wheel, because with all the DLC you get a hilarious amount of skill points, which you more or less just end up dumping on the passive "stats go up"-point sink which unlocks at level 50. Didn't it have one? I thought you had to switch between it and the left-hand one somehow. It was amusing how you got drowned in skill ups in the DLC though, but some of the super-Elysium skill mods actually made the skill worse somehow, like the health-restoring one.
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Oct 16, 2020 17:29
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tight aspirations posted:Didn't it have one? I thought you had to switch between it and the left-hand one somehow. It was amusing how you got drowned in skill ups in the DLC though, but some of the super-Elysium skill mods actually made the skill worse somehow, like the health-restoring one. Third non-arrow skill wheel; yes it technically has three wheels already but the one on left is reserved for bow skills only. And yes, out of 9 or so alt-skills only 3 of them were clear updates, one, maybe 2 alternatives that worked better in some contexts, and rest made things worse.
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Oct 16, 2020 17:34
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Didn't the thread title used to be "Shut the gently caress About Dark Souls"? I'm beginning to see why. For the guy who wrote about Witcher 3, I think it catches a disproportionate amount of poo poo simply because so many people (especially on this board) play it. I had my problems with the game and never finished it but I think that said more about me and my personal preferences than the game. I just don't have the time and energy to dedicate to an entire second life, especially one that asks me to micro manage my groceries and recipes and poo poo. Too much time spent in the sub menus and staring at the mini map got old but it's a pretty amazing game and I get why people love it. A lot of little poo poo does drag it down but I've heard a lot of that poo poo is totally skippable. But also, gently caress Dark Souls. I spent about 3 hours with it and didn't find it fun getting repeatedly wrecked through an entirely blind trial and error system. Again, I get why people might like it but it's just not for me. RIght now I'm loving around with Alien: Isolation after a long layoff. It's awesome and very underrated but gently caress... gently caress who ever laid out that "shopping mall" level or whatever it is. Jesus Christ. All the doors and vents look the same but only like 1 in 10 open. The map is confusing and every area of the game looks exactly the other areas so you can never tell if you're in a new place you need to be. I had to look up how to get thru it but still got lost and almost rage quit.
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Oct 16, 2020 20:26
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Western RPGs in general tend towards the very complex and trying to simulate as many aspects of the world as possible, which can lead to problems. (Not that JRPGs can't also be kinda byzantine, but it's more of a design choice.)
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Oct 16, 2020 20:30
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BiggerBoat posted:Again, I get why people might like it but it's just not for me. lol this should be the new thread title
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Oct 16, 2020 20:55
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Maxwell Lord posted:Not that JRPGs can't also be kinda byzantine Nani?
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Oct 16, 2020 22:06
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In the original Mega Man X it's a common consensus to beat Chill Penguin's level first, to unlock the dash-move. The entire game is built around this skill because your basic moveset is incomplete without it. What games have important, major features either poorly telegraphed or made optional when the core experience suffers without it?
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Oct 17, 2020 01:43
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Inspector Gesicht posted:What games have important, major features either poorly telegraphed or made optional when the core experience suffers without it? I had a blast with Metal Gear Rising but it's very bad at actually showing you how new moves work, and your basic dodge is in the paid upgrade menu with a pretty unhelpful name and description.
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Oct 17, 2020 01:48
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Inspector Gesicht posted:In the original Mega Man X it's a common consensus to beat Chill Penguin's level first, to unlock the dash-move. The entire game is built around this skill because your basic moveset is incomplete without it. No More Heroes has a dodge technique called the darkstep. It's incredibly useful for dodging enemy attacks and it leads into long combos. The game never once tells you this is a thing that exists.
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Oct 17, 2020 01:57
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Pretty sure that's in the (lengthy, and gives you multiple chances to opt out) tutorial.
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Oct 17, 2020 02:04
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There's at least one person who played through Mega Man X and did Chill Penguin last and that is both pretty funny and incredibly tragic. A lot of people went through Nier Automata not knowing that 9S could do heavy attacks. I don't think the game ever actually tells you how to do them.
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Oct 17, 2020 02:08
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Some Goon posted:Pretty sure that's in the (lengthy, and gives you multiple chances to opt out) tutorial. You see, this is why all tutorials should be unskippable.
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Oct 17, 2020 02:11
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Zinkraptor posted:A lot of people went through Nier Automata not knowing that 9S could do heavy attacks. I don't think the game ever actually tells you how to do them. The reverse of that is that you don't have to do the theme park attacks in Kingdom Hearts 3. They can be avoided by not pressing the butt on when they're highlighted. God of War tells you how to activate Spartan Race but doesn't tell you that you can cancel it. I figured these things out by pressing buttons when I'm curious if things would work, but not everyone's got the time to test if a game will let you do things like that all the time.
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Oct 17, 2020 02:22
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Zinkraptor posted:A lot of people went through Nier Automata not knowing that 9S could do heavy attacks. I don't think the game ever actually tells you how to do them. EXCUSE ME?
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Oct 17, 2020 02:38
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Smirking_Serpent posted:EXCUSE ME? Yeah, IIRC there's two ways to do them. Either do a light attack and then briefly pause DMC style or press evade and then immediately attack. The latter method might require the Continuous Combo chip, I dunno.
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Oct 17, 2020 02:42
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RareAcumen posted:The reverse of that is that you don't have to do the theme park attacks in Kingdom Hearts 3. They can be avoided by not pressing the butt on when they're highlighted. Even knowing how to avoid them I still hated them for being basically a popup ad in a video game.
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Oct 17, 2020 03:29
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Not pressing my butt on things always drags games down for me
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Oct 17, 2020 03:41
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bewilderment posted:Even in Sekiro, a lot of people don't use as many of the different shinobi tools as they could be. Because if you use them and die they're gone forever.
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Oct 17, 2020 03:49
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Final Fantasy VIII hides save points. Both in terms of some being invisible without equipping a certain skill, and by actually physically putting them in obscure rooms. I know we've generally considered save points archaic anyway, and it's one of the few parts of RPG design that I'll concede is obsolete rather than just 'we decided it was old-fashioned and stopped', but holy poo poo it sucks on a whole new level to have to get a significant way through a dungeon before you can stop because they hid the save point in a weird corner.
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Oct 17, 2020 04:12
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Someone had to tell me that in Final Fantasy X you can swap out characters mid-battle.
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Oct 17, 2020 04:20
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Maxwell Lord posted:Someone had to tell me that in Final Fantasy X you can swap out characters mid-battle. No there's literally a tutorial the first time you're forced to fight a Garuda of Wakka telling you to swap him out for Yuna to summon an aeon to fight big baddies.
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Oct 17, 2020 05:23
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Manager Hoyden posted:I get that with your example of Control. That is a game with lots to offer and is a fun experience even outside of shooty parts. There's still a lot there if you take out the challenging parts. This is an insanely bad post containing insanely bad opinions about games and an insanely bad understanding of how people possess different skill levels and come to games for different reasons. Yikes.
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Oct 17, 2020 06:21
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Zinkraptor posted:There's at least one person who played through Mega Man X and did Chill Penguin last and that is both pretty funny and incredibly tragic.
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Oct 17, 2020 09:19
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Tender Bender posted:This is an insanely bad post containing insanely bad opinions about games and an insanely bad understanding of how people possess different skill levels and come to games for different reasons. Yikes. Celeste *does* have options, right? I'm not sure there's an outright "easy mode" but it can be tweaked.
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Oct 17, 2020 09:20
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Cleretic posted:Final Fantasy VIII hides save points. Both in terms of some being invisible without equipping a certain skill, and by actually physically putting them in obscure rooms. Never, ever play Final Fantasy III.
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Oct 17, 2020 09:20
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Inspector Gesicht posted:Never, ever play Final Fantasy III. I did, the DS remake when I was a teenager. On one hand it has some loving GAUNTLETS, I never got to beat the game because the final dungeon(s) run is so demanding. But on the other hand, by the time they got to that point they had at least figured out some form of quicksave implementation, so while you have to do it in one run, you don't have to do it in one sitting.
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Oct 17, 2020 09:34
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Maxwell Lord posted:Celeste *does* have options, right? I'm not sure there's an outright "easy mode" but it can be tweaked.
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Oct 17, 2020 10:22
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Playing Among Us with 9 friends is the most fun that exists Playing Among Us solo is [word unprintable]
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Captain Hygiene posted:I had a blast with Metal Gear Rising but it's very bad at actually showing you how new moves work, and your basic dodge is in the paid upgrade menu with a pretty unhelpful name and description. The game's pretty big on having you parry attacks instead of dodging them, but yeah, it would have been nice to have been told how the dodge works. I had to look it up at the end of my second playthrough because I genuinely had no idea how to do it. It pretty much trivializes the entire final boss fight
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