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3 DONG HORSE posted:Yeah, these new graphics don't have the same charm. Damned if you do.....
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Grey Hunter posted:Damned if you do..... ImperialJapaneseMilitaryStrategy.txt
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Feb 2, 2017 14:30
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Grey Hunter posted:Damned if you do.....  Why is "Current" sometimes light and sometimes dark? Wouldn't it be logical to have both current values dark, and both past values bright? 
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Feb 2, 2017 14:40
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The new graphs are completely unreadable.
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Feb 2, 2017 14:53
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Red is japan, blue is allied. Bright colours are Grey Hunter, light colours are the opposite AI. I'm not sure how else this could be done and what is not to understand. And nobody else bothered to do anything with the graphs. Katznmaus fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Feb 2, 2017 |
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Feb 2, 2017 15:05
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Katznmaus posted:Red is japan, blue is allied. ITS NOT HOW I'D DO IT! 
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markus_cz posted:Why is "Current" sometimes light and sometimes dark? Wouldn't it be logical to have both current values dark, and both past values bright? The AI is of lesser importance and that is why I did the intensities the way they are. Bright colours for this session and lighter colours for the last session would add the possible confusion what side GH played last time, when right now it is visible without comparing to the plot legend. Bold Robot posted:Nah you can rationalize it all you want, it's terrible and unreadable. Either get used to it or do something about it. I have linked the spreadsheets above - change it. Katznmaus fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Feb 2, 2017 |
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Feb 2, 2017 15:29
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Nah you can rationalize it all you want, it's terrible and unreadable.
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Feb 2, 2017 18:27
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   We continue to be punished by allied bombers.  Our Bettys make a mass run, but concentrate on the destroyers – so fail to hit anything.  The Allies are using their battleships to try and save New Caledonia.   We have to keep the pressure up!  We smash another force.   So that's why there was a battleship around yesterday!
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Grey Hunter posted:
I had never heard of this "CLAA" so looking it up apparently HMCS Prince Robert was a passenger liner conversion. You go sail with those battleships buddy 
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Feb 2, 2017 19:38
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The whole point of making the data available is to let people make their own graphs. If you can't stand 'em, put your money where your mouth is. Ain't hard. 1 February 1943 US destroyer DeHaven, sunk by IJN dive bombers near Savo Island. Japanese destroyer Makigumo, mined near Savo Island while evading PT boats during night evacuation operations. Nineteen other destroyers were involved in the evacuation, one of which was badly damaged by air attack. British minelayer Welshman, torpedoed near Tobruk by U-617. Welshman's fields were responsible for many of the recent Italian sinkings, but her long, open mine deck proved her undoing here, flooding rapidly and causing her to capsize and sink within three minutes.
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Feb 2, 2017 20:09
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Bold Robot posted:Nah you can rationalize it all you want, it's terrible and unreadable. Dark are Grey, light are AI. Red are Japanese, blue are allied. It literally takes twelve words to explain it. You're terrible.
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Feb 2, 2017 20:21
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I mean I understand it on an intellectual level but it's still bad.  Let's not pretend this is anywhere close to the best or most intuitive way to present this info. Someone did a mockup of a non-lovely version at some point earlier in the thread but  .
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Feb 2, 2017 20:27
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Unless you're red-blue colour blind (in which case the graphs are pretty much unreadable) you could either be reading the graphs or making your own or whining. Tend to think that Grey is doing enough itt without having to redo the graphs.
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Feb 2, 2017 21:47
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Bold Robot posted:I mean I understand it on an intellectual level but it's still bad. These graphs are that mock-up. It's times like these I remember which subforum we're in. Shut up about graphs and read the LP.
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quote:graph chat
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Now for full Grognard verisimilitude, there should be two separate sets of graphs, one for the IJA and one for the IJN, that are incompatible, use different scales/graph styles and cover different time frames. Bonus points if they disparage each other.
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lenoon posted:Unless you're red-blue colour blind (in which case the graphs are pretty much unreadable) you could either be reading the graphs or making your own or whining. Tend to think that Grey is doing enough itt without having to redo the graphs. Katznmaus redid the graphs. I doubt Grey will bother now the ball's in our court. Splode posted:These graphs are that mock-up. I think the previous mock-up used dark for current LP, light for previous LP instead. I want to say it was Leperflesh. Grumio posted:Now for full Grognard verisimilitude, there should be two separate sets of graphs, one for the IJA and one for the IJN, that are incompatible, use different scales/graph styles and cover different time frames. Bonus points if they disparage each other. Both sets should be on the same field, but use different y-axes. One of them should be linear and the other logarithmic.
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Feb 2, 2017 23:27
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Grey Hunter posted:
No, that's Ramillies!
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OpenlyEvilJello posted:
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Woodchip posted:No, that's Ramillies! Though she IS a Revenge class!
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Royal Sovereign is something of an odd sight to see. From the wiki:quote:HMS Royal Sovereign (pennant number 05) was a Revenge-class (also known as Royal Sovereign and R-class) battleship of the Royal Navy displacing 28,000 metric tons (27,560 long tons; 30,860 short tons) and armed with eight 15-inch (381 mm) guns in four twin turrets. She was laid down in January 1914 and launched in April 1915; she was completed in May 1916, but was not ready for service in time to participate in the Battle of Jutland at the end of the month. She served with the Grand Fleet for the remainder of the war, but did not see action. In the early 1930s, she was assigned to the Mediterranean Fleet and based in Malta. Seems like a long history of mostly avoiding any real fighting.
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36 new posts since this afternoon? Did a carrier... Oh. God drat it.Grumio posted:Now for full Grognard verisimilitude, there should be two separate sets of graphs, one for the IJA and one for the IJN, that are incompatible, use different scales/graph styles and cover different time frames. Bonus points if they disparage each other. Now this I could get behind.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Woodchip posted:No, that's Ramillies! Night10194 posted:Though she IS a Revenge class! This thread allows me to make the groggiest of jokes.....
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Grey Hunter posted:This thread allows me to make the groggiest of jokes..... Amazingly, in the real world she was almost sunk by a Japanese sub as it was.
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  Another Allied carrier!  We keep up the pressure.  A quiet day, but we know there is something out there worth sinking!
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3 February 1943 Italian torpedo boat Italian destroyer Saetta—you'll never guess—mined while assisting Uragano. 
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Nice showing from that CAP, or that carrier airwing is extremely green.
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OpenlyEvilJello posted:3 February 1943 comedy gold
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OpenlyEvilJello posted:3 February 1943 
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alex314 posted:Nice showing from that CAP, or that carrier airwing is extremely green. I believe that's the base that the planes from the carrier Grey lost were displaced to.
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OpenlyEvilJello posted:3 February 1943 The next day: Italian light cruiser Carbonara mined while assisting Saetta. Italian heavy cruiser Alfredo mined while assisting Carbonara. And so on and so forth up to battleships and carriers.
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I think the lesson we can learn from this is that Italy should have adopted an "every ship for itself" policy. I dont think the idea of "no ship left Ikasuhito fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Feb 4, 2017 |
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Feb 3, 2017 23:56
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This explains so much about how well Italian combat divers did, though. It turns out WWII Italians had a natural instinct to go underwater, something that did not serve their naval personnel nearly as well as the divers.
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I do not appreciate this thread making fun of Italians  We actually had something good going during World War 2! Just look at what we did in Greece! And Egypt! And Russia! And Sicily! Italian spirit at its best
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Mikl posted:I do not appreciate this thread making fun of Italians "Italian spirit at its best" means "getting completely humiliated and hoping the Germans would bail you out", eh?
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Friend Commuter posted:"Italian spirit at its best" means "getting completely humiliated and hoping the Germans would bail you out", eh? I guess the Italian banks are a modern day example of "Italian spirit at its best".
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Mikl posted:I do not appreciate this thread making fun of Italians I, too, support the failure of fascist invasions.
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I mean this sincerely: Italy made the smartest strategic move of any Axis nation when they surrendered in 1943.
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