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Kanos posted:Alpha 3 has a bit of a scale issue where it's a galactic-level conflict culminating in a giant battle against the living personification of entropy, so that's sort of hard to top. It feels like a natural conclusion so that's probably why they've been putting it off for so long. Alpha 3's problem is randomly going back to Earth in the final 10 stages because Gundam SEED
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Maybe they'll just finish OG with Alpha 3 and then boot a new OG setting based on all the DS games and the next couple console releases from Z to whatever? What I liked about OG1 is that it actually felt like a single setting. Everyone's backstories were folded into either the Fed or DC, and there were a few specific initiatives going on that tied into one epic (DC vs first contact, TKs, launching the Space Noahs). That's why your forces were a bunch of PTs, some fancy heavies from Tesla, and a couple of odd birds like Cybuster and generally anything related to a Zoldark. Kyosuke has to pilot the fuckin' Wildraubtier for a bit and Elzam's first outing is in a Gespenst. Sorry, an unarmed Gespenst. So naturally, weird units are actually weird. Tenzan in a Lion tricked out with nothing but some extra missiles and the System is scary. The SRX was imposing and the Granzon was terrifying. The Cybuster's glitter sparkles mean something and that actually extends all the way out to the Angelg's introduction at the start of OG2. By OG2 it was back to regular SRW "some things happening, simultaneously" territory, which coincides with everyone and their dog getting a unique magical space robot with a never-before-seen physics-defying reactor core and they were just casually in your garage barring the obligation to feature units like RyuJinKi.
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Jul 26, 2017 16:26
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Race Realists posted:you think the series will continue after they finish the Alpha 3 plot? If they have the budget for it sure. They've got alternate dimensions and other godlike beings to deal with. Even if they finish Alpha 3 they've got Z's insane cosmic metaverse bullshit sitting to strip-mine.
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ImpAtom posted:If they have the budget for it sure. They've got alternate dimensions and other godlike beings to deal with. Even if they finish Alpha 3 they've got Z's insane cosmic metaverse bullshit sitting to strip-mine. It'd take a lot of twisting of Z's plot (Z1 specifically was highly setting-bound and crossover-related) but all the Cycle bullshit would absolutely work with OG's whole metanarrative "this has all happened before, in Alpha" thing and Z comes with its own abstract multi-universe shenanigans. My problem is that with two galactic empires already in OG, I'm not sure where there's room for Sidereal.
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Yeah that's another reason I liked OG1, it had a much smaller cast than subsequent games so the characters were fleshed out a lot better thanks to the extra screen time. To this day, Excellen is my favorite character in the series mostly because her getting under the skin of enemy pilots in the middle of combat and causing them to lose their poo poo was hilarious. Even in OG2 where she's the co-protagonist, it felt like she didn't get the development she got in OG1, and she's barely present in MDs plot/script. I'd love to see that sort of focus return to the series, but I'm guessing that Banpresto is more in the "bigger is better" camp.
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Jul 26, 2017 16:39
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Silvergun1000 posted:Yeah that's another reason I liked OG1, it had a much smaller cast than subsequent games so the characters were fleshed out a lot better thanks to the extra screen time. To this day, Excellen is my favorite character in the series mostly because her getting under the skin of enemy pilots in the middle of combat and causing them to lose their poo poo was hilarious. Even in OG2 where she's the co-protagonist, it felt like she didn't get the development she got in OG1, and she's barely present in MDs plot/script. To be fair it's pretty understandable why Excellen wouldn't be overly present in MD.  Caphi posted:It'd take a lot of twisting of Z's plot (Z1 specifically was highly setting-bound and crossover-related) but all the Cycle bullshit would absolutely work with OG's whole metanarrative "this has all happened before, in Alpha" thing and Z comes with its own abstract multi-universe shenanigans. Yeah, but honestly you're going to run into weird issues with a lot of potential OG villains without serious rewriting I think, aside from the just-an-alternate-dimension-rear end in a top hat ones.
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Jul 26, 2017 16:40
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ImpAtom posted:Yeah, but honestly you're going to run into weird issues with a lot of potential OG villains without serious rewriting I think, aside from the just-an-alternate-dimension-rear end in a top hat ones. I think they can just jam Chronos in there (OG hasn't really had a lot of space opposition but whatever), and there's no reason they can't have Edel just be an up and coming politician instead of Basically Created Our Civilization. Oh wait gently caress they can't have The and Elgan there at the same time.
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ImpAtom posted:To be fair it's pretty understandable why Excellen wouldn't be overly present in MD. Doh, I'd completely forgotten about that. Yeah, indeed.
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Jul 26, 2017 17:29
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ImpAtom posted:To be fair it's pretty understandable why Excellen wouldn't be overly present in MD. Silvergun1000 posted:Doh, I'd completely forgotten about that. Yeah, Not really, Terada himself said that Mizutani had already done all her recording for the game way before she passed. And if Banjou's any indication, losing the VA doesn't really mean you NEED to lose impact on a given story.
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Jul 26, 2017 17:34
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Brunom1 posted:
Has Banjo really been that impactful these last few go rounds though, lets be honest here.
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Jul 26, 2017 17:36
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Banjo was basically a main character in z1.
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Jul 26, 2017 17:48
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You guys are making me want to replay OG1, and maybe finally finish it this time.
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Jul 26, 2017 17:57
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OG is not only a successful good seller, but they also dont have to pay out the rear end for anime/music licenses so even if they end the current story with the next game, they'll definitely do another as a reboot or something. It would be great to shake things up and pair down the cast. Sorry Russel but I have 10 different god mechs Im not going to field 5 different Gespents and Radha's dumb guncannon.
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Jul 26, 2017 18:13
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I'm starting to think SRW sequels just constitutionally have a hard time working. They get too bogged down in their own legacies. Z2 was okay because relatively little of it was about inflating the Z mythos, whereas, uh, Z3.2.
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Jul 26, 2017 18:21
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Not but seriously, I never got around finishing OG1 because it gets pretty sloggish near the end with all the HP Monsters of the Aerogaters. If I could I would just field Gespensts all the time because I love those guys.
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MonsieurChoc posted:Not but seriously, I never got around finishing OG1 because it gets pretty sloggish near the end with all the HP Monsters of the Aerogaters. That's what we need, an Aggressors spinoff with Kai as the protagonist. Though I guess at this point the Aggressors have gotten hit with mech inflation as badly as everybody else had.
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Jul 26, 2017 21:20
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Silvergun1000 posted:That's what we need, an Aggressors spinoff with Kai as the protagonist. Though I guess at this point the Aggressors have gotten hit with mech inflation as badly as everybody else had. Not as much, really. Kai and Gilliam are piloting Gespents that have been upgraded to keep them useful. Sanger and Ratsel pilot Double Gs, which were made by Zoldark, who already had some crazy supers back in OG1. So the original Aggressors aren't as inflated as you might think.
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Jul 26, 2017 21:28
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I wouldn't be surprisedi f they slip the V originals into the next game just because they're so lowkey that they'd be really easy to work in.
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Inferno-sama posted:Not as much, really. Kai and Gilliam are piloting Gespents that have been upgraded to keep them useful. Sanger and Ratsel pilot Double Gs, which were made by Zoldark, who already had some crazy supers back in OG1. So the original Aggressors aren't as inflated as you might think. I mean like the current roster with Lamia, Latooni and whatnot. However I like your idea even better, the old team gets back together to totally ruin somebody's day!
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Endorph posted:I wouldn't be surprisedi f they slip the V originals into the next game just because they're so lowkey that they'd be really easy to work in. I'm wondering if we'd see the Grungust and Huckebein pilots at least.
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Silvergun1000 posted:I mean like the current roster with Lamia, Latooni and whatnot. However I like your idea even better, the old team gets back together to totally ruin somebody's day! You got a point there, more so for the 2nd OG guys. The Wild Wurger and the Wild Falken aren't top of the line anymore, and they were really just "Slightly different Alt Eisen and Weissritter". That's basically all they had to them. Lamia has the Angelg and Vysaga, so you kinda have something there, but I'm taking points off since she and her robots are from an alternate universe and made by a slightly off scientist (hesitant to call Lemon mad, since she ultimately wants Lamia to be human, even if they're on opposite sides). Latooni has an upgraded Wildraubtier and her Fairlion. I'll give you the Fairlion, but not the Wildraubtier. Josh and Chris have their special tech reals and Forte Gigas, so you get the full thing with them. Glacias has her magic mech, so again, you got that. Hugo and Aqua, same thing. Special tech Garmraid Blaze and Cerberus Ignite (kinda wish we had the Garberus as well, as like a two-in-one option, but whatever).
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I see no reason why they couldn't just make more original plot and characters just for the next game. Sure the Lamilace were lame as hell but there is no reason why every new enemy faction would be bad. I liked Masoukishin's Yotenai and her group of Bleach rejects till they were unceremoniously killed off 2/3rds through the game.
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Kyosuke and Excellen piloting custom Gespensts has always made me wonder if they were "plants" for OG.Caphi posted:By OG2 it was back to regular SRW "some things happening, simultaneously" territory, which coincides with everyone and their dog getting a unique magical space robot with a never-before-seen physics-defying reactor core and they were just casually in your garage barring the obligation to feature units like RyuJinKi. Things that have been reactor cores in OG: Plasma, Nuclear Pulses, Black Holes, Anti-Matter, a stupidly radioactive meteor, Alchemy, Chinese Alchemy, a dead... whatever the Einst are, an alive whatever the Einst are, the flow of time, a 5th fundamental force of physics, background energy produced by organic things, Dimensional Energy, and "Unknown". The Res Arcana units are black boxes. Not included is the Soulsaber, because I don't know what powers it. As far as I know, all OG units yet to be included either have normal reactors or literally magic crystal hearts. Oh, and the Dis Astranagant, which I think runs on Death? HitTheTargets fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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poo poo, I suppose the Valzacard doesn't actually have any fancy power source, just bullshit deep-future tech (or would it be bullshit ancient tech on technicality?) and two other robots duct-taped to an already combining battleship.
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HitTheTargets posted:Not included is the Soulsaber, because I don't know what powers it. As far as I know, all OG units yet to be included either have normal reactors or literally magic crystal hearts. Oh, and the Dis Astranagant, which I think runs on Death? Are you counting Spheres as magic? Because I'm pretty sure they draw from the fundamental positive energy of the universe that drives life, or some dumb poo poo.
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HitTheTargets posted:Things that have been reactor cores in OG: [...] background energy produced by organic things, For the record, psychoanalyst Wilhelm Reich, who invented Orgone and the science of Orgonomy, lived and worked at his home, the Orgonon, and you can read all about his exciting discoveries in his book, The Function of the Orgasm.
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Silvergun1000 posted:Honestly, I'd be ok with them reeling the scale of things back a bit. OG1 is probably my favorite SRW because the conflict in that game is a lot more realistic (well, you know, mecha anime realistic) in scale. I mean sure, the later games do lots of cool stuff and the more fantastic units are great, but I really liked how in OG1 the 'special' units (like Cybuster, Alt/Weissritter, pretty much all the supers) really felt like superweapons. I used the SRX constantly in MD, I basically never fileded the R-seires separated though.
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Schwarzwald posted:For the record, psychoanalyst Wilhelm Reich, who invented Orgone and the science of Orgonomy, lived and worked at his home, the Orgonon, and you can read all about his exciting discoveries in his book, The Function of the Orgasm. To add to this, Orgone energy was taken semi seriously a hundred years ago. Reich even got Einstein to try out some of his experiments. Too bad real life Orgone Accumulators don't grow magic green crystals.
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Caphi posted:Are you counting Spheres as magic? Because I'm pretty sure they draw from the fundamental positive energy of the universe that drives life, or some dumb poo poo. Hella magic.
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Everything about anime robots is basically magic other than the gasoline engines that Xabungle units run on.
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Jul 27, 2017 06:56
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That they run on gasoline is pretty magic in of itself though to be fair, even if it is a comedy.
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Yeah, everybody knows real trucker robots would run on diesel.
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Huh, Nasu Kinoko of the Fate series and Terada had an interview that turned out to be revealing about SRW's development. It's fun to see anime robot fans talk to Terada.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Huh, Nasu Kinoko of the Fate series and Terada had an interview that turned out to be revealing about SRW's development. It's fun to see anime robot fans talk to Terada. I want Masaki and Shu to be added to FGO.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Huh, Nasu Kinoko of the Fate series and Terada had an interview that turned out to be revealing about SRW's development. It's fun to see anime robot fans talk to Terada. Anything interesting? google translate isnt coherent enough.
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KoB posted:Anything interesting? google translate isnt coherent enough.
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Jul 29, 2017 00:29
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I've not seen any of these Fate shows but a lion seems like an awfully noble head for a guy as shifty and questionable as Thomas Edison. Perhaps a vulture would have been the more appropriate animal.
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Raxivace posted:I've not seen any of these Fate shows but a lion seems like an awfully noble head for a guy as shifty and questionable as Thomas Edison. I don't like Fate itself for various reasons but I love that concept and I wish the West would get in on it more.
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Raxivace posted:I've not seen any of these Fate shows but a lion seems like an awfully noble head for a guy as shifty and questionable as Thomas Edison. A vulture would've waited for that elephant to die.
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...So, finally got around to finishing off IBO Season 2... Yeah, looking forward to SRW working on that.
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