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Mukaikubo posted:Given that we are talking about the stupidity of the homeworld Clans in canon, I feel like it is my responsibility- as one of the few people in the thread that does not appear to viscerally loathe the clans in and out of game and would wish that they had never been invented- to give a sort of counterexample. Just so you know, I triple checked this for contractions. PTN, can we get a big 'where are they now?' mission/update
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 04:40 |
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PoptartsNinja posted:Just a progress report. For this mission we've hit the battlemechs with a shrink ray and they have to travel up Takashi's colon to destroy a cancerous polyp.
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 04:45 |
I know that this is throwing votes at something that can't happen, but I'm going to register my vote for E. Also that map looks really rough if only one side has jets. That's a lot of height 0 to 3 borders. Not a lot of long lines of sight, either.
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 04:54 |
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Mukaikubo posted:Given that we are talking about the stupidity of the homeworld Clans in canon, I feel like it is my responsibility- as one of the few people in the thread that does not appear to viscerally loathe the clans in and out of game and would wish that they had never been invented- to give a sort of counterexample. Voting for E after reading this.
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 05:04 |
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the JJ posted:Just so you know, I triple checked this for contractions. I know it's a big ask, but after this little mini-campaign a big ole update catching up with all the people we've sorta left hanging would be pretty nice. (Not that it needs actual fluff vs just a quick couple lines of what's going on with various groups or individuals we've had votes on and passed up in the past)
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 05:16 |
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Mukaikubo posted:Given that we are talking about the stupidity of the homeworld Clans in canon, I feel like it is my responsibility- as one of the few people in the thread that does not appear to viscerally loathe the clans in and out of game and would wish that they had never been invented- to give a sort of counterexample. So basically what you're saying is #NotAllClans. the JJ posted:PTN, can we get a big 'where are they now?' mission/update Seconding this. Now I want to know what's going on with House Steiner of Gallery.
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 05:36 |
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Defiance Industries posted:So basically what you're saying is #NotAllClans.
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 05:37 |
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Olothreutes posted:Also that map looks really rough if only one side has jets. That's a lot of height 0 to 3 borders. Not a lot of long lines of sight, either. It's ambush alley for sure. Only question is whether Carlos is the ambusher or ambushee. Wasn't his mission last time around that didn't get picked some kind of recon? Maybe prepping for this?
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 06:04 |
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Dolash posted:It's ambush alley for sure. Only question is whether Carlos is the ambusher or ambushee. Wasn't his mission last time around that didn't get picked some kind of recon? Maybe prepping for this? I don't remember that distinctly, but the end of the mission before that, his crew retreated into the Badlands, where it would be "crazy" for anyone to try and follow him. Seems likely he'd be ambushing them.
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 06:05 |
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Zaodai posted:I don't remember that distinctly, but the end of the mission before that, his crew retreated into the Badlands, where it would be "crazy" for anyone to try and follow him. Seems likely he'd be ambushing them. A game of cat and mouse for x number of turns when the Red Corsair shows up, maybe.
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 06:11 |
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Four King Crabs are hiding in the -2 water.
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 06:23 |
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the JJ posted:Just so you know, I triple checked this for contractions. I knew that someone would. Par for the course at this point. And yeah, I suppose #NotAllClans is accurate. I mean, the Star Adders are... different from the other clans. They are still dangerously insane eugenicists, but at least they are not pants on head moronic incompetents that just happen to have superior technology!
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 06:51 |
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Psion posted:Four King Crabs are hiding in the -2 water. What colors are they though?
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 06:55 |
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dis astranagant posted:Interdiction isn't something you break. Comstar doesn't like doing it because they involve destroying a whole lot of equipment, even though they don't usually nuke their own installations like that. HPGs are rendered inoperable, albeit relatively easy to repair if you know exactly how they're built. Anything they don't want reverse engineered is removed or destroyed and the staff goes into hiding. Even after its lifted you're looking at significant time spent repairing the damage and getting everyone back where they need to be. I also imagine they aren't fans of cutting off like a fifth of their revenue streams or whatever. The technicians don't pay themselves! Well, unless they're payroll technicians I guess.
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 07:44 |
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paragon1 posted:I also imagine they aren't fans of cutting off like a fifth of their revenue streams or whatever. The technicians don't pay themselves! Well, unless they're payroll technicians I guess. The technicians are essentially monks, so I imagine a fair number of them would just shrug and say "Welp, it's Blake's Will that I not get a paycheck this week. Oh well!"
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 08:09 |
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They still get food and clothes and stuff from Comstar. What are they going to spend their paycheck on? It'd be like if you ran the servers for some weird high-tech king that happened to exist in 16th century Europe. You get food, you get clothes, you get to live in a house that has electricity while everyone else farms dirt. Even if you don't get your paycheck, you're still better off than most non-Comstar people (nobility aside).
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 08:33 |
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The Red Corsair is the most sensible option. The Clans is the most hilarious option. And Stefan Amaris is the most retarded. It's FWL, so voting E) The Clans.
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 08:42 |
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Guys please switch your votes to E please. Red corsair is the smartest but The Clans would be the most hilarious. Also make it Clan Star Adder tia.
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 09:08 |
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Oh, I haven't officially voted yet. Red Corsair. Ultimately, it came down to I think Red Corsair will be more interesting storywise. And the fight should be interesting.
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 09:53 |
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PoptartsNinja posted:
Comstar would be a retread of the prime universe, so that's a no. Stefan Amaris already backstabbed once, so clearly he'll do it some more. Davion is too busy on the other side of the CapCon to waste time coming to bother with Marik space. And while the idea of Clan Purple Bird is hilarious, the better idea of getting Melissa Steiner working with Duncan Marik to fight cappies (and potentially put a Steiner on a Marik throne? No? the political fallout of this doesn't amuse anyone?) sounds like the most workable way to keep the Mariks actually relevant. So I'm bowing to the inevitable and voting C) The Red Corsair and jumping on Also the smoke jaguars aren't even dead in the prime universe
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 10:04 |
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Zaodai posted:They still get food and clothes and stuff from Comstar. What are they going to spend their paycheck on? They also control the rates for transmission so if they lose the 15% of the Sphere that the CapCon represents (and probably less than that in market share) they just raise everyone else's rates.
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 10:41 |
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I'll add a vote for the Red Corsair, maybe the dashing princess will win the blushing prince's heart. Watch as they get headcapped within the first five turns
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 11:26 |
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Gwaihir posted:I know it's a big ask, but after this little mini-campaign a big ole update catching up with all the people we've sorta left hanging would be pretty nice. (Not that it needs actual fluff vs just a quick couple lines of what's going on with various groups or individuals we've had votes on and passed up in the past) Yeah, this vote really highlights that it's been a long time since we've seen a lot of these people and it's really difficult to remember who's had dealings with who.
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 11:33 |
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I hope that all the height 0 in that map is actually swamp and everyone has to move like slugs apart from three dudes lording it up in hovertanks.
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 15:35 |
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Note the complete lack of height 1 hexes. All hills are LoS blockers This map is basically brawl central. I hope you brought your jump jets!
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 15:38 |
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Defiance Industries posted:They also control the rates for transmission so if they lose the 15% of the Sphere that the CapCon represents (and probably less than that in market share) they just raise everyone else's rates. Given that the C-Bill is supposed to be pegged to a particular amount of data that you can send via HPG, what would the impact of that be on the economies of the inner sphere? Do the prices of weapons appear to drop since mercenaries are paying for them in C-Bills?
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 15:51 |
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goatface posted:I hope that all the height 0 in that map is actually swamp and everyone has to move like slugs apart from three dudes lording it up in hovertanks. Nothing so severe. The penalty comes to any `Mech standing on a hex above height 0. One player has the ability to negate this penalty.
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 17:28 |
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Volmarias posted:Given that the C-Bill is supposed to be pegged to a particular amount of data that you can send via HPG, what would the impact of that be on the economies of the inner sphere? Do the prices of weapons appear to drop since mercenaries are paying for them in C-Bills? Not really, the price of equipment didn't suddenly balloon in the Dark Age when the Kroner was suddenly worth ten C-Bills a piece instead of two. If you want to handwave that you could say that the Lyran or whatever arms manufacturers work under price controls to keep the price of a medium laser the same whether its from Defiance Industries or StarCorps, which would be pretty important given how frequently Mechs are put together with replacement parts (and Omnis exist)
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 17:57 |
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Defiance Industries posted:They also control the rates for transmission so if they lose the 15% of the Sphere that the CapCon represents (and probably less than that in market share) they just raise everyone else's rates. "What's that, guys? You're mad we raised your rates? Well, if you go conquer the Capellan Confederation so we don't have to interdict those markets anymore, we can lower them again."
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 18:32 |
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Volmarias posted:Given that the C-Bill is supposed to be pegged to a particular amount of data that you can send via HPG, what would the impact of that be on the economies of the inner sphere? Do the prices of weapons appear to drop since mercenaries are paying for them in C-Bills? I don't wanna bore everyone with currencychat again, so I'll just say: effectively ComStar's cell phone minutes are a currency, but if less cell phone minutes are available, they're deflating the currency (e.g., prices and wages both fall). This sounds great but it's actually very very bad because when prices are falling there's a strong incentive to save (my saved money buys more tomorrow than it does today) and a commensurate disincentive to invest (why try to earn a small percentage interest/return with an investment when I can just let my money gain value while it's stuffed in a matress). This is economic death. Presumably ComStar benefits by raising how many house bucks you have to give them to buy a C-Bill, and the rest of the economy plays along by raising how much stuff you can buy with a C-Bill. Deflationary economy, disaster. But... hey, in a feudal economy, deflation probably isn't so bad, because nobody's investing in stuff anyway. Lords are just holding land that serfs are working, the lords take a direct share, everyone just sort of survives. You can't build new factories or invest in new technologies so much if you need financing to do that, but if you're a feudal lord, maybe you just order your serfs to do it and they do it.
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 20:31 |
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New factories and tech are a crappy investment in the Inner Sphere. New factories give the other Houses a reason to come raid that planet (and probably blow up the factory like dumbasses), trying to create new tech gets you killed by ComStar. It's all one gigantic rig job to keep everyone at relative parity to make the fights go on forever.
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 22:22 |
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Zaodai posted:It's all one gigantic rig job to keep everyone at relative parity to make the fights go on forever. ComStar did a pretty great job with that, didn't they? I mean, their end game was that there would be no advancement and eventually when the last machine broke down ComStar would swoop in, and they were pretty well on the way there.
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 22:27 |
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Defiance Industries posted:ComStar did a pretty great job with that, didn't they? I mean, their end game was that there would be no advancement and eventually when the last machine broke down ComStar would swoop in, and they were pretty well on the way there. Except for the part where they didn't bother to do tech advancement themselves until well after the Clans show up. You'd think as the one group who doesn't have to worry about randomly getting murdered (because they're the murderers) for designing new tech, AND the one group that knows the Clans exist, they'd have tried to build up their edge against the rest of the Inner Sphere. They just kinda sat on their asses with Star League tech until Wobbies poof into existence. My knowledge of that era is all gleamed form the thread though, since it seems incredibly retarded and uninteresting, so I could be wrong. Regardless, if the Clans could come up with fancy weapons despite their limitations, ComStar should have had at least equivalent tech by the time the Clans showed up.
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 22:31 |
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I've never really understood where the hell the clanners got their advances over SLDF tech. I can see them preserving it, but their society doesn't seem like it would do much to promote technological progress and advancement.
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Zaodai posted:Regardless, if the Clans could come up with fancy weapons despite their limitations, ComStar should have had at least equivalent tech by the time the Clans showed up.
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 22:35 |
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Night10194 posted:I've never really understood where the hell the clanners got their advances over SLDF tech. I can see them preserving it, but their society doesn't seem like it would do much to promote technological progress and advancement. They really just made incremental improvements on weapons that were already in prototype phases when the SLDF left, like the OmniMech being derived from the Mercury. Most of the Clans improvements happened shortly after Nicky died and then they sat on their asses for two hundred years.
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 22:37 |
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Defiance Industries posted:They really just made incremental improvements on weapons that were already in prototype phases when the SLDF left. Most of the Clans improvements happened shortly after Nicky died and then they sat on their asses for two hundred years. So basically, Nicky's legacy pretty much put a stop to any further advances?
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 22:38 |
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Night10194 posted:So basically, Nicky's legacy pretty much put a stop to any further advances? The Warrior caste directs what the Scientist caste works on, is it any surprise that they just got told to make a gun that shoot lazor more harder? The complete lack of vision is part of what gave rise to The Society.
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 22:39 |
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Ardlen posted:Except ComStar thought they knew all the players - why bother to research new tech when the tech you have is already superior to everyone else's? They knew about the Clans, though. They had a reason to care. On top of that, they know SLDF tech gets found in cache's around the sphere occasionally, and that at the very least the Houses know it exists. The reason you keep advancing is because 1) you can never have too much of an advantage and 2) you might as well try and beat the best known tech. Progress is basically it's own reward, especially in a system where you control the economy. They're never going to go broke, they could afford all the research they wanted. Maybe they come up with something that completely ruins battlemechs. Maybe they get better missile systems, or better armor, or something. You keep researching because if you sit on your rear end, someone may eventually catch you.
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# ? Nov 16, 2015 22:48 |
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Wasn't a lot of the crazier Blakist tech based on old C* projects that had been mothballed or hadn't paid off earlier?
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