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Eletriarnation posted:They were a spinoff, but I thought their distinguishing characteristic in early days was having odd experimental features as well as cheap stuff. I remember a motherboard that supported both PCIe and AGP, and another that was native socket 479 for desktop. Haha I have this exact board. It has both DDR and DDR2 slots as well as AGP and PCI-E Ports. Still unused as it was supposed to be more of an experimental setup I was just going to tinker with when I had the time. The time never came, but I still have plenty of parts and a box of older GPU's to throw into it and see how they run. We will see if I ever get around to it. But its a neat novelty board either way.
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Yeah, I think we can look forward to some interesting poo poo from Asrock. Dual-GPU cards, low-profile cards, etc. There are some niches that haven't been filled in a while, and Asrock has shown the inclination to do it for mobos at least.
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Mar 18, 2018 05:40
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Low Profile I can see, but do you really think even ASRock will spend the time/energy on making a dual GPU card ala ASUS Mars or what have you in this day and age? I mean if anyone would try it to make some headline news about having the fastest "Single GPU board" for a bit, it would be them, but man it feels like since Pascal it has felt like there is little differentiation between AIB boards outside of binning and GPU coolers. Can the AIB partner do anything except tweak the GPU bios clocks a little but remain in the Nvidia mandated voltage ranges?
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Mar 18, 2018 05:44
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EdEddnEddy posted:Whatever happened to ESC? They were great for those cheap CPU + MB combos in the Core 2 days that were like $50 and while the boards were no frills, they all worked and were pretty solid when they worked. (Or were DOA, but usually those were actually just finicky power connectors in my findings...) ECS still exists, they just mostly do OEM stuff for companies like Acer that need a shitload of low cost systems pumped out regularly.
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Mar 18, 2018 05:45
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Kazinsal posted:ECS still exists, they just mostly do OEM stuff for companies like Acer that need a shitload of low cost systems pumped out regularly. Crap they are. And they actually do still make some boards.. Cool! Still wish Frys would carry them and make killer combos again, maybe someday when Ram prices stop being super retarded..... yea.
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Mar 18, 2018 05:51
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EdEddnEddy posted:Low Profile I can see, but do you really think even ASRock will spend the time/energy on making a dual GPU card ala ASUS Mars or what have you in this day and age? Dual liquid x80 Ti would be an interesting card. Vega practically would need it. And it's just a better solution even for single-card, given how sensitive HBM is to temps. Nobody is giving Vega the engineering attention it needs (which is understandable given the performance). I have a couple ECS Livas and I like them. Very good little mini-PC considering that it cost like $75 including Windows, there are some legitimate uses for a dirt-cheap Baytrail micro-PC. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 05:55 on Mar 18, 2018 |
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Mar 18, 2018 05:51
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Aren't those passively cooled as well? I remember seeing those a while back and looked super cool for some dusty environments.
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Mar 18, 2018 05:54
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My E6600 came with one of those ECS boards on a Fry’s deal. The metal yellow phoenix thing on the box artwork looked like YuGiOh’s Winged Dragon of Ra, which you think would be a good sign, but it was riddled with so many bugs that it must have been cursed. Worst motherboard I ever owned, even worse than my ASUS P4B. Only threw it out last week because it lived in a dark corner of my closet for 12 years.
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Mar 18, 2018 05:57
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EdEddnEddy posted:Aren't those passively cooled as well? I remember seeing those a while back and looked super cool for some dusty environments. Yup, at least the ones I have are. It's your basic passive nettop box. There are vents though, so the heatsinks will eventually clog up. If you are in a very dusty environment you can't beat something like an Akasa or HDPLEX full-passive case with an external heatsink that you can just blow off. Can't get those at a $75 price point though, obviously. The Liva X adds a mSATA port and the Liva Z has M.2 and also RAM expansion slots (up to 8 GB). It actually trashes the Raspberry Pi in terms of both value and performance, IMO. It's at least competitive with the Banana Pi type "RPi but with SATA/USB 3.0/1GbE/wifi" type systems too. And obviously since it's x86 it runs normal applications on Windows, and Intel's Linux support is uniformly excellent as well (they had open-source graphics drivers long before it was cool, they're actually better than their Windows drivers). Only thing I don't like about my Liva Xs are that I haven't managed to get it to boot off eMMC for Linux (works fine for Windows, and I need to try this again on newer versions of Ubuntu). What I found is that you need to use the mSATA port. But, a cheap mSATA card is like $30-40... and you can potentially add a big one if you want to do storage/etc. Pretty cool little system for the price. The Liva Z has Apollo Lake (new video decoder with H265 Main10) as well. The street price is a bit higher at present... at some point you could use a J5005 passive board, put into one of those passive external-heatsink cases if necessary, and that's a better solution for a full-passive environment. Better expansion and better cooling. But I guess the MSRP is the same as previous versions, maybe prices will come down in 6-12 months. https://www.anandtech.com/show/8262/ecs-liva-review-the-nettop-rises-again https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Systems/ECS-LIVA-Windows-Based-Mini-PC-Review-Palm-Sized-Desktop-Computer https://www.anandtech.com/show/8883/ecs-liva-x-review-a-fanless-bay-trailm-minipc https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Systems/ECS-LIVA-X-Mini-PC-Review-Tiny-Windows-Desktop-Gets-Upgrade https://www.anandtech.com/show/11229/ecs-liva-z-duallan-apollo-lake-ucff-pc-review https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Systems/ECS-LIVA-Z-Review-Fanless-Apollo-Lake-Mini-PC Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Mar 18, 2018 |
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Mar 18, 2018 06:00
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NewFatMike posted:ASRock are making "unpredictable" GPUs for AMD:
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Mar 18, 2018 10:19
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Why would anyone want to get into AMD cards after the Vega disaster?
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Mar 18, 2018 19:37
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VulgarandStupid posted:Why would anyone want to get into AMD cards after the Vega disaster? Why would any buy AMD cpu's or make Motherboards after Bulldozer?
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Mar 18, 2018 19:39
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I was talking just the other day to someone who is replacing their old GTX 650 and is insisting on nothing other than AMD because they are mad about Nvidia's decisions regarding some ancient API and never want to support them again. I kind of explained where the industry is at right now that AMD is simply mismanaged and if you go look at Adored's 1080ti review you can kind of see the problem, but it didn't matter. This person is voluntarily becoming a Radeon Customer 4 Lyfe because of Nvidia's killing of GLide or something equally irrelevant to modern games. (This was effectively a retro gaming stream chat so it wasn't that surprising.) Finally I said if you really do must buy Vega make sure you get a 56 because it's better perf:money. However, this person isn't waiting for crypto-inflation to go down and is basically like "$890 for a 56 or 930 for a 64, I'm better buying the 64." Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Mar 18, 2018 |
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Mar 18, 2018 20:11
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Nevermind AMD being way too power hungry, their drivers are so buggy you cannot run a windows system stably for more than a week or 2 without some kind of gfx crash.
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Mar 18, 2018 20:16
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redeyes posted:their drivers are so buggy you cannot run a windows system stably for more than a week or 2 without some kind of gfx crash. 100% honest, have you used an AMD gpu in the last year? I am currently using an old 380x and complaints about drivers aren't valid anymore, and haven't been since 2008.
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Mar 18, 2018 20:25
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Tell that to anyone playing obscure games like Overwatch. The problem with Vega in particular is that it's a loving rip off. For the same money you get far better nvidia stuff. For a while before the crypto thing exploded you were paying 1080ti money for the equivalent of a 1070 in performance. That's probably still the case now, I haven't really looked.
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Mar 18, 2018 20:28
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wargames posted:100% honest, have you used an AMD gpu in the last year? I am currently using an old 380x and complaints about drivers aren't valid anymore, and haven't been since 2008. Yes, I suppose vega might be better but I hear it isn't. Rx series.
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Mar 18, 2018 20:28
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Yeah, value for money is AMD’s real niche, it’s why they’re comfortable going out there and making slides showing Ryzen 2700 being behind i7-8700 in games, because look at what you pay for that extra performance. Vega is bad value for money, and it’s almost certainly because they bet on HBM being cheap and lost. Baby sized Vega in the APUs are fine, I own one and it’s a joy for the price. But it’s using DRAM for it’s memory, which suggests AMD can probably blame HBM for coming in $100 over Paacal at launch (it’d probably be $50 more I’d supply was available just because of GDDR5 squeeze driving Pascal MSRP upward). The planet is running out of memory, and Vega just turned out to be the canary in the coal mine.
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Mar 18, 2018 20:58
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wargames posted:Why would any buy AMD cpu's or make Motherboards after Bulldozer? Because there are now good chips that succeeded Bulldozer. Buying Bulldozer would be a bad idea. What’s the successful architecture that’s followed Vega?
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Mar 18, 2018 21:06
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wargames posted:Why would any buy AMD cpu's or make Motherboards after Bulldozer? I haven't bought a Microsoft console or Philips product since the Capacitor Plague.
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Mar 18, 2018 21:33
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Looks like the Bitcoin bubble may have finally popped, so keep an eye out for anyone trying to flip their 1070/1080's if you want a cheep "new" card. Crosspost from the miner thread: DrDork posted:Bad. A lot of people are starting to turn their machines off entirely. Risky Bisquick posted:It seems like growth has slowed
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Mar 18, 2018 21:36
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Yeah. I think the continuing shortage is from pent up gamer demand and production being shifted to the next generation of GPUs.
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Subjunctive posted:Because there are now good chips that succeeded Bulldozer. Buying Bulldozer would be a bad idea. What’s the successful architecture that’s followed Vega? The PlayStation 5.
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karoshi posted:The PlayStation 5. I thought that was just Vega. How did they improve on it?
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VulgarandStupid posted:Why would anyone want to get into AMD cards after the Vega disaster? Because AMD will cut them a deal. They are a middle-man. If AMD cuts them a better deal per unit than Nvidia, they can potentially make more money selling a worse product. If you remember back in ye olden days when ATI first moved to using AIB vendors, the Nvidia vs AMD pricewar to AIB vendors lead to lots of brands hopping back and forth or selling both.
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Mar 18, 2018 22:44
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Tell that to anyone playing obscure games like Overwatch. Meanwhile nVidia has had borked drivers for VR for weeks.
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Mar 18, 2018 22:52
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Craptacular! posted:My E6600 came with one of those ECS boards [...] Worst motherboard I ever owned Funny thing is that mothboard had one of the best modding communities I'd ever seen (probably because socket A was hot poo poo and that mobo was significantly cheaper than the alternatives), I remember the modded bios I ran added so much extra functionality and options over stock, haven't seen anything like it since.
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Mar 18, 2018 23:12
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Subjunctive posted:I thought that was just Vega. How did they improve on it? It was a tongue in cheek comment. Didn't know the PS5 hardware was already fixed, but it's about time I guess.
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Mar 18, 2018 23:39
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PerrineClostermann posted:Meanwhile nVidia has had borked drivers for VR for weeks. VR doesn’t matter, really.
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Mar 18, 2018 23:51
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Subjunctive posted:VR doesn’t matter, really. There's over 1m sets sold between Vive and Rift, probably around 2m or more by now.
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PerrineClostermann posted:There's over 1m sets sold between Vive and Rift, probably around 2m or more by now. Yeah, I know; as someone who worked on one of those headsets, it’s a disappointing result. Having it broken for a few weeks isn’t going to change any market dynamic.
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poo poo's just too expensive to get into. Anything that's vaguely immersive pushes you into the four digits territory for the VR equipment alone, and requires more than $2000 in computer hardware. The barrier to entry is lower for those of us doing crazy poo poo like running 1440p 165 Hz on ultra with hairworks enabled but that's because we're already fundamentally broken human beings with no sense of fiscal responsibility.
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:Looks like the Bitcoin bubble may have finally popped, so keep an eye out for anyone trying to flip their 1070/1080's if you want a cheep "new" card. 
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Kazinsal posted:poo poo's just too expensive to get into. Anything that's vaguely immersive pushes you into the four digits territory for the VR equipment alone, and requires more than $2000 in computer hardware. I don’t think that’s true. I had very good VR experiences more than 2 years ago on a $1200 machine, and the Rift is about $500. If you think immersive has to mean photorealistic then the bar is higher, but that hasn’t been my experience even before things like ATW were refined enough to ship.
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The Rift is 350 right now, normal price 400. Runs on a 1060, 970, or 4/580. It's not expensive to get into if you have the GPU.
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Mar 19, 2018 00:35
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Well, you want Touch too, really. Unless you’re just doing flight sims or whatever.
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Mar 19, 2018 00:36
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Subjunctive posted:Well, you want Touch too, really. Unless you’re just doing flight sims or whatever. That includes touch. They haven't been separate packages since summer last year.
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Oh poo poo, I am way out of date. (I burned out on it after Rift shipped and haven’t played in a good while.)
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$400 is for Rift + Touch. (e: fb) And the WMR headsets are the same price-range for a sensor-less headset+controllers setup, and are compatible with SteamVR games.
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Subjunctive posted:Oh poo poo, I am way out of date. (I burned out on it after Rift shipped and haven’t played in a good while.) They price dropped and bundled around July 2017. They started a sale to push out the old separate packages, and ended up just keeping the price.
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