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RandomPauI posted:Hypothetically speaking, what's happen if we contaminated the Reddit army's marijuana with lsd and ecstasy? Go big or go home. PCP/bath salts
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power crystals posted:This is an opinion I never thought I'd encounter. But what the hell, you're welcome to join me and Dreamsicle in Never Leaving The Base, Ever. My family is all grunts, and I've only ever seen the military from ground level. I wouldn't know what to do in one of those things. Besides, ADA is a sweet job - a bunch of sitting around with a specific vehicle to sleep in. A bit of a risk of getting blown up real good, but whatever.
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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNjYao6f90s Reports are sketchy but it's looking like Dos Santos is taking all of his armor from the flanks and putting it into the coastal corridor. It's the fastest route from our lines to his capital and he knows it. Though if we can strike the other zones it'll also pay dividends, but mileage to tank tracks, it's the coast to Luanda. Unfortunately we don't have eyes in the sky, but OSINT is showing instagram posts of armored positions from the current lines all the way to the Bulgarian T-72's holding the bridges to Luanda itself.
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This update only further justifies a choice to neuter the Free State so as to prove a convenient back door into Luanda. We probably don't have to blow up the bridge - only show that we have the capability. Destroy Free State central communications, obliterate a couple of key logistics centres, waste their only remaining source of revenue, and make it clear that the mercenaries - and the troops serving under them - have two choices: 1) Stick around with a blinded, deafened, neutered and dumbstruck command that is totally incapable of paying them, and we will cut off their retreat and leave them to be defeated in detail by either us or Dos Santos (either of whom are more than capable of doing the job), or 2) Join Von Hoff, get paid, don't die. Remind them that we are a rebel front too and will therefore be far more likely to pardon them and let the go than Dos Santos, who is a brutal dictator with a penchant for theatrical executions.
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Some scrounging of Instagram has brought us photos straight from the front. The photo GPS ID shows forces distributed all along the coastal plain right up to Luanda.   I don't know where they found that last one, but holy poo poo, is this loving Stalingrad?
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drat your eyes, Abby Kitting and Instagram! We don't give a drat about their armor assets--they all blow up the same way! Show us the things with missiles on the top--their ADS is much more of a threat to us than their tanks!
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May 10, 2017 22:38
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The coastal corridor is the immediate area around the coastal highway, right? In that case the highway that runs parallell to the coast between Alto Hama (where the count's mech inf is stationed according to the map) and Cambambe* could be an alternative if we want to attack Luanda from the east. If we could suppress the armour along the coast to prevent them from heading east the mech inf can use that road to attack Luanda from the east. That means that we wouldn't have to go as far as the eastern border and instead concentrate the CAS strikes to a relatively small area. *Conveniently, both the radars and the FOB are situated along or resonably close to that road and our favourite observer is stationed right in the middle. I think that we should focus on the coast of course, but it might be worth considering. 
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Thats... weird. Santos left the center north/south highway mostly undefended? Edit: Ill expand my thoughts in the new format when I get home.  Operation Whirlwind This operation is simple - it ignores the Free State entirely, focusing on a strong upward thrust in preparation for the final assault on the capital. All forces are operating out of the west most airport. Units shall not pass further east than the central road. Units shall not pass north of Caboledo. Timeline: 1. Forward deploy the I-Hawks, Shilkas, and SA-22s to provide fire support for Von Hoff and extra air cover for us. 2. SEAD elements move up. UAVs search for SAMs, SPAA, and AAA. Von Hoff's spy helps spot SA-11s on the highway. 3. Prowler moves in to provide jamming support (stay 40 nmi away from any contacts) and fire HARMs. 4. Gripens and Kfirs hit AA targets with glide bombs. 5. Strike aircraft hit any remaining AA units, then hit ground troops. 6. Quick Turnaround as many times as possible. Whirlwind 1 Loadout: 1x MQ-9 Reaper with Gorgon Stare pods. Mission: 1. Locate AA assets and radars -- stay 40 nmi away from AA contacts at all time. Fly at 25,000 ft AGL. 2. Locate ground targets. Loadout: 1x EA-6B Prowler with four jammers and one HARM. Mission: 1. Locate and jam radars-- stay 40 nmi away from AA contacts at all time. Fly at 30,000 ft AGL. 2. Kill SAM batteries with the HARM. Loadout: 4x Kifr C.10 with SPICE 1000 build Mission: 1. Destroy enemy AA units -- stay 25 nmi away from AA contacts at all time. Fly at 30,000 ft AGL. 2. If no AA targets are available, destroy ground targets. Whirlwind 2 2x AMX A-11 with AGM-65B Maverick EO Mission: 1. Destroy enemy AA units -- stay 5 nmi away from AA contacts at all time. Fly at 20,000 ft AGL. 2. If no AA targets are available, destroy ground targets. 2x Saudi Tornadoes with twelve Brimstone missiles each. 1. Destroy enemy AA units -- stay 15 nmi away from AA contacts at all time. Fly at 20,000 ft AGL. 2. If no AA targets are available, destroy ground targets. 1x SU-25 Frogfoot with two FAB-500M-54 GPB 1x Hawk 209 with two Mavericks. Mission: 1. Destroy enemy AA units -- stay 5 nmi away from AA contacts at all time. Fly at 20,000 ft AGL. 2. If no AA targets are available, destroy ground targets. 5x SK 60Bs M/70 135mm Rockets Mission: 1. Only sortie if enemy AA has been totally suppressed or destroyed. 2. Target FOBs, HQs, and other fixed targets. 1x Sperwer UAV. Mission: 1. Locate AA assets and radars -- stay 25 nmi away from AA contacts at all time. Fly at 10,000 ft AGL. 2. Locate ground targets. 3. If possible, buddy-lase targets. 4x Gripens with eight GBU-39 SBDs each Mission: 1. Destroy enemy AA units -- stay 50 nmi away from AA contacts at all time. Fly at 30,000 ft AGL. 2. If no AA targets are available, destroy ground targets. 2x Mirage F1.CR with T.200 400kg GPB Mission: 1. Destroy enemy AA units -- stay 5 nmi away from AA contacts at all time. Fly at 20,000 ft AGL. 2. If no AA targets are available, destroy ground targets. 6x F-4 Phantom IIs with A/A: AIM-120B AMRAAM, Heavy Mission: 1. Destroy enemy AA units -- stay 5 nmi away from AA contacts at all time. Fly at 25, 000 ft AGL. 2. If no AA targets are available, destroy ground targets. 3. After strikes are complete, head to a patrol area south of the strike zone and provide CAP. 2x Tornado IDS with AGM-88B HARM Mission: 1. Destroy the FOB and radars inside the Dictator's territory. 2. RTB, rearm and hit other high-value targets of opportunity. CAP 4 Gripens with max Meteor loadout Orbit at west CAP point Support Whirlwind 1 and 2 Support AEW&C (Argus 100B): provide early warning support. VC-10: provide tanker support in the West. KC-135: provide tanker support in the East. Loel fucked around with this message at 03:59 on May 12, 2017 |
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Operation No Time For Seconds mk2, or, How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love The Small Diameter Bomb (consider the last one deprecated, but I'll leave it there for curiosity's sake and anyone reading the whole thread) Objectives: - Annoy the free state mercs enough to switch sides. We don't need to totally wipe them out, just get them to decide working for us is both safer and 100% bitcoin free. - Take out the dictator's remaining strategic targets - Blow up every Buk, T-72, and Hilux in the area - Look cool doing it  Unless otherwise stated, WRA default and EMCON silent unless spiked or required to fire. Art Deco Element - Based out of Cassamba Reasoning: The goal is to annoy the Free State mercs into submission. To that end, we're going to harass their lines, and throw in the Kfirs to show that we're nice to you if you're nice to us. In addition, it turns out that our Vietnam-era Phantoms can actually do quick turnaround on their air superiority loadouts, so let's use those here. The HAWK got moved over because the dictator's air force is a rounding error now, but the Free State still has a few shiny toys. If the F2s show up, just abort and RTB everybody, they'll be entirely outclassed. Ground Forces: 1x HAWK, 1x Pantsir, 1x Shilka Bulwark Flight Composition: 3x F4-E Phantom (4x AIM-120B, 4x AIM-9L) WRA: 2 AMRAAMs per target Orders: Patrol the area around our lines in the east. Engage hostile air targets as spotted. RTB when Kitchen runs out of munitions. Seeker Flight Composition: 1x Sperwer Orders: Start airborne. Patrol the front line in the east looking for contacts. Hang back if targets are spotted. Kitchen Flight Composition: 2x AMX A-11 (2x Maverick), 1x Hawk 209 (2x Maverick), 2x Mirage F.1CR (4x GBU-12), 4x Kfir C.10 (2x SPICE 1000) Orders: Blow up whatever the Sperwer spots Piglet Flight Composition: 1x VC10.K4 Orders: Orbit above Cassamba and provide fuel as needed. Brutalism Element - Based out of Benguela Reasoning: The dictator doesn't have many planes left. Let's try to keep it that way by taking out his primary runway. If we're really lucky, Von Hoff's guys will get to capture some or all of them on the ground. After that, pound the poo poo out of the area from here to the capital. Same comment re: Phantom CAP, which leaves us with 8 Gripens to drop SDBs. So many SDBs. Potentially one hundred and Ground Forces: 1x Pantsir, 1x Shilka Stalwart Flight Composition: 2x JAS-39C Gripen (4x Meteor, 2x IRIS), 3x F4-E Phantom (4x AIM-120B, 4x AIM-9L) WRA: 2 AMRAAMs per target Orders: Patrol the area around our lines in the west. Engage hostile air targets as spotted. Winchester when out of Meteors or AMRAAMs, Quick Turnaround and return to the front. Claymore Flight Composition: 2x Tornado IDS [Germany] (2x Taurus), 2x Tornado IDS [Saudi Arabia] (2x Storm Shadow) Orders: Fire two Storm Shadows each at the radars near Munenga and Belas. Repeat with Tauruses if they survive; otherwise, fire any available Tauruses at the Luanda airport runway and have them come in over the sea (see dotted line). Scryer Flight Composition: 1x MQ-9 Reaper (Gorgon Stare) Orders: Start airborne. Advance up the coast towards the capital. Hold when ground contacts are spotted. Fall back if no CAP remains. Axe Flight Composition: 6x JAS-39C Gripen (8x SDB, 1x Litening III, 1x Drop Tank) Orders: Launch after Claymore's missiles impact. SDB whatever the Reaper spots. Prefer AA, specifically SAMs, but don't hesitate to engage support structures or bridges if no such targets are visible (but for the love of god don't fire on lithium facilities). Quick turnaround and do it again (twice). Scimitar Flight Composition: 1x EA-6B Prowler (5x AN/ALQ-991), 1x Su-25T (16x Vikhr), 5x SK60 Orders: Go in behind Axe. Engage any targets of opportunity. SK60s prefer soft targets. Quick turnaround and do it again (twice). Keep the SK60s behind the Frogfoot. Prowler remains airborne until the op concludes. Overseer Flight Composition: 1x S-100B, 1x KC-135 Orders: Orbit just south of the airfield at Benguela. power crystals fucked around with this message at 13:23 on May 11, 2017 |
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If you're still working on a mission let me know, otherwise I'm going to get voting going tomorrow morning.
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Loel posted:Thats... weird. More like we just don't have intel on what is there, I'm betting. I'd expect both roads to be as heavily defended as the Dictator can make them.
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paragon1 posted:More like we just don't have intel on what is there, I'm betting. I'd expect both roads to be as heavily defended as the Dictator can make them. Correct. Just because our intel map is clear doesn't mean the game map is clear.
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RandomPauI posted:Hypothetically speaking, what's happen if we contaminated the Reddit army's marijuana with lsd and ecstasy? Someone get Steven Heck on the line.
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power crystals posted:Operation No Time For Seconds mk2, or, How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love The Small Diameter Bomb There's one kind of big problem I can see with this op plan--you will almost certainly cause the Dictator to scramble his Su-30s, and frankly I don't think 3 Phantoms with AMRAAMs are enough to contest up to 8 Flanker-Cs.
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Davin Valkri posted:There's one kind of big problem I can see with this op plan--you will almost certainly cause the Dictator to scramble his Su-30s, and frankly I don't think 3 Phantoms with AMRAAMs are enough to contest up to 8 Flanker-Cs. That's... a reasonable concern. What would you say to transferring all 6 Phantoms to the west, and replacing the eastern CAP with two Kfirs with 2x Derby? I doubt that flight will be airborne for very long before the whole thing Winchesters anyway.
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Those Flankers are carrying AA-10 Alamo's, which have between 45 and 70 nmi range. You're gonna want Gripens and their Meteors up for those guys.
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The guy playing the Aussie merc was hilarious, just wanted to mention that. Also, count me in as a pilot. Looking for something interesting. Callsign Sabotage
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Coffeehitler posted:Those Flankers are carrying AA-10 Alamo's, which have between 45 and 70 nmi range. You're gonna want Gripens and their Meteors up for those guys. Well, yeah, but we've already got plans that do that setup well, so I'd rather submit something a little odd but unique. This is for you to bet it all on the Tauruses preventing the Flankers from even getting airborne. Davin's point I'll still note because with two shots per target, 3 Phantoms with 4 AMRAAMs each literally cannot shoot down that many Flankers without going in for Sidewinders, which is liable to go even more poorly.
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Kitfox88 posted:Someone get Steven Heck on the line. Oh yes! Hire Steven Heck to come up with code names for our operations, at least. Speaking of which: OPERATION SHORT CIRCUIT  Updated map. Objectives 1.. Eliminate the dictator's ground forces along the coast. 2.. Destroy the remaining radar sites and the FOB. Timetable 1. MQ-9, SEAD and CAP launch from Benguela 2. ECAS and KC-130 launch from Menongue 3. 5 min later: CAS launches from Benguela 4. Tornados launch from Menongue 5. Await angry tweets from Dos Santos No aircraft are to cross the "limit of AO" line under any circumstances. Coastal strike Recon Meat Composition: MQ-9 w. Gorgon Stare Orders: Move along designated patrol route, then stop. Spot ground targets, stay 40 nm from any AA contacts. Fly at 25 000ft AGL Little bird Composition: Sperwer Orders: Start in the air. Move forwards and spot ground targets, stay 10 nm from any contacts. Fly at 10 000 ft AGL SEAD Mentat flight Composition: Prowler w. 5 jammers Orders: Jammers on. Spot and jam SAMs, AA. Move long SEAD route, then orbit CENTRAL patrol area. Stay 40 nm from any AA contacts. Fly at 30 000 ft AGL Muad'dib flight Composition: 4x Kfir (2x SPICE 1000s each) Orders: Attack AA contacts, otherwise attack ground targets. Stay 30 nm from any AA contacts Fly at 20,000 ft AGL. Shai'Hulud flight Composition: 2x Gripens (8x SDBs each) Orders: Attack AA contacts, otherwise attack ground targets.Stay 40 nm from any AA contacts. RTB when out of SDBs. Quick turnaround and return to SEAD area. Switch to Meteors if needed. Fly at 20,000 ft AGL. CAP Composition: 4x Gripen (4 Meteors each) Orders: Orbit CAP area, RTB when out of Meteors. Quick turnaround and return to CAP. Coastal CAS Standard target priority: 1. AA 2. Armour 3. Other ground contacts. AC flight Composition: Hawk (2x Mavericks), SU-25 (16x Vikhrs), 2x AMX.11 (2x Mavericks each) Orders: Standard target priority. Fly at 20,000 ft AGL. DC flight Composition: 4x Phantoms (2x GBU-24A/Bs, 2x AMRAAMs each) Orders: Standard target priority. Stay 15 nm from any AA contacts. Move to Central and CAP when out of GBU-24s. Fly at 20,000 ft AGL. Current flight Composition: 1x Saudi Tornado (12x Brimstone) Orders: Standard target priority. Stay 15 nm from any AA contacts. RTB when out of Brimstones. Fly at 20,000 ft AGL. Battery flight Composition: 2x Gripens (8x SDBs each) Orders: Standard target priority. Stay 35 nm from any AA contacts. Fly at 20,000 ft AGL. RTB when out of SDBs. Quick turnaround and return to CAS area. Dragon Slayers Composition: 5x Sk60B (135mm rockets) Orders: Launch from Benguela when airspace is safe. Target structures and soft targets. East CAS Standard target priority: 1. AA 2. Armour 3. Other ground contacts. Lightwswitch flight Composition: 1x Saudi Tornado (2x Storm Shadows), 2 German Tornados (2x Tauruses each) Orders: Launch 15 minutes into the mission. Launch Storm Shadows at the Calulo radar, launch two Tauruses each at the FOB and Mussende radar site, then RTB. Resistance flight Composition: 2x Mirage F.1CR (4x GBU 12D/B each) Orders: Standard target priority. RTB when out of GBU 12s. Fly at 20,000 ft AGL. Capacitator flight Composition: 2x Phantoms (2x GBU-24A/B, 2x AMRAAM each) Orders: Standard target priority. Lase targets for Mirages. Move to Central and CAP when out of GBU-24s. Support Overwatch flight Composition: S-100B, Vc.10 Orders: Orbit Overwatch point. Tanker flight Composition: KC-135 Orders: Orbit Tanker point. Ground assets East Composition: 2x Shilkas, Pantsir Orders: Deploy in Kuito and provide AA cover for the mech inf. West Composition: I-Hawk, Pantsir Orders: Deploy just north of Benguela. Credit for any good ideas and the formatting: power crystals, Bacarruda, Loel and the rest of the thread. UPDATED. PenguinSalsa fucked around with this message at 16:28 on May 11, 2017 |
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Kay, updated my post  It lacks finesse and attempts a zerg rush of the coast.
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Kitfox88 posted:Someone get Steven Heck on the line. We should be so lucky as to know Mr. Heck.
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Notahippie posted:I just caught up with the thread - finally able to voice my thoughts. Great job, Yooper - fantastic setup and running of this. Piggybacking off of this, in carrier opps at least (and no reason why it wouldn't apply to other ops on land) the first aircraft to launch (and the last to land) will usually be one or two SAR/CSAR helos loaded up with swimmers and search equipment. Personel recovery is a huge thing and like Notahippie said, we've been relying on our patrons to SAr us so far (fair since we had the Indian armed forces in our first thetre and the Hoff has some bush helos here), however we cannot rely on that for the long term for personnel recovery. Having some MH-53s or really any helos ready to deploy to rescue our pilots would be a good investment. In addition, helos open the door to a number of other fun kinds of operations Yooper could run if he wanted to. VBSS operations if we get hired to sniff out drugs or pirates short ranged Vertreps or evacuations. helos open a lot of unconventional doors for us.
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Night10194 posted:We should be so lucky as to know Mr. Heck. We do, his cover name is Jack.
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Coffeehitler posted:We do, his cover name is Jack. Jack is nowhere near awesome enough to be Steve Heck.
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Something to consider: The combat performance of the AIM-120B's our phantoms carry has been extremely disappointing so far. Off the top of my head, though, I don't think the AMRAAM's have had a better than 35-40% hit ratio. Also, the Sidewinders they carry are the AIM-9L variety, the very first all aspect sidewinder, introduced in 1977. I have serious doubts as to whether our Phantoms could really provide an effective CAP, especially facing the more modern SU-30.
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Yeah we shouldn't be using anything other than Gripens (or maybe Kfirs? I don't know their loadout off the top of my head*) for CAP. The phantoms didn't go well last time we had to use them for that. E: 40nm for the Kfir's Derby vs 75nm (!) for the Meteor Ain't nothin we have that does CAP like a Grip simplefish fucked around with this message at 05:33 on May 11, 2017 |
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The Derby missile our Kfir's carry is a 40NM range version of the Python 4. Derby was developed in the mid-80s, and introduced in the 90's. Derby and Python 5 is a better combo qualitatively than the AIM-9L and the AIM-120B, but our Kfir's can only carry a pair of each. E: ^ exactly. If we want to do CAP right, the Gripen is the only choice. Anything else leaves us dramatically outclassed by the Su-30.
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sparkmaster posted:Something to consider: The combat performance of the AIM-120B's our phantoms carry has been extremely disappointing so far. Off the top of my head, though, I don't think the AMRAAM's have had a better than 35-40% hit ratio. Also, the Sidewinders they carry are the AIM-9L variety, the very first all aspect sidewinder, introduced in 1977. I have serious doubts as to whether our Phantoms could really provide an effective CAP, especially facing the more modern SU-30. They've been...underwhelming to say the least. I thought they'd be better in the air-to-air role. Every time we put F-4s head-to-head against Su-30s, the Phantoms lost (I should know, I was one of the goons who got shot down). Phantoms can supplement our CAP, but they aren't even close to being a replacement for the Gripens.
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Bacarruda posted:Every time we put F-4s head-to-head against Su-30s, the Phantoms lost (I should know, I was one of the goons who got shot down). To be fair, that's because when the Phantoms went head to head with the Flankers, the Phantoms were out of missiles and the Flankers weren't.
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Okay, I moved two (but only two) Gripens to CAP. The distinguishing point of my plan is that it's a gamble anyway, but this should at least give us a chance vs just losing a bunch of Phantoms in case the Su30s make it to the party.
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Planning Phase closed. I'll get the missions up shortly for voting. If you have a plan and are late just post it and we'll add it in.
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Loel posted:Operation Whirlwind At this point, our plans diverge in only three respects. I like the general thrust of your plan, although I do have some questions. One, hitting the Free State (I hit it with two Phantoms, you don't hit them). Do you have a contingency plan for next mission if the Free State crosses the highway and heads south into our territory? Two, you use a large number of iron bombs, I use a smaller number of precision munitions. Any reason you're using so many iron bombs? I understand that it increases our max bomb load. But, they're less-accurate and have to be dropped at lower altitudes and lower speeds -- which increases the risk of getting shot down. Three, you don't make any deep strikes -- and instead task the German Tornadoes with SEAD using HARMs. Given the previous Tornado-HARM debacle, do you have a plan to avoid this happening again?
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1. Im betting they wont, they are already trying to get hired by us. Call it a christmas truce. 2. I grabbed a bunch of ammo that said land targets 3. HARM missiles are built for SEAD I thought.
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Oh and planners I would request that you have the Reaper move up ito sanitised airspace instead of remaining on patrol in the same spot the whole time, it's the best thing we have at actually spotting ground troops.
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