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the talent deficit posted:he wanted to become a cop because he misses having a gun maybe he should have stayed in the US after all
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the talent deficit posted:i had an uber driver in montreal last week who was some high up government official in yemen during the civil war. he showed me pictures of him with colin powell, condoleeza rice, george w bush and robert gates. he told me about fleeing to the usa as a refugee via somalia and how he then snuck across the canadian border to claim refugee status because canada offered better family reunification options. then he tried to convince me to marry his daughter and told me he wanted to become a cop because he misses having a gun the canadian dream
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the talent deficit posted:i had an uber driver in montreal last week who was some high up government official in yemen during the civil war. he showed me pictures of him with colin powell, condoleeza rice, george w bush and robert gates. he told me about fleeing to the usa as a refugee via somalia and how he then snuck across the canadian border to claim refugee status because canada offered better family reunification options. then he tried to convince me to marry his daughter and told me he wanted to become a cop because he misses having a gun what in the gently caress
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McGavin posted:ftfy We let lots of foreign doctors practice in Canada, as long as they have a "good" medical education from Britain, Australia, South Africa, etc. It's only the ones who went to "bad" schools in Ghana, Haiti, or Nigeria that have to be uber drivers.
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COPE 27 posted:We let lots of foreign doctors practice in Canada, as long as they have a "good" medical education from Britain, Australia, South Africa, etc. It's only the ones who went to "bad" schools in Ghana, Haiti, or Nigeria that have to be uber drivers. To be fair, people call themselves doctors in India who are not doctors.
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Purgatory Glory posted:To be fair, people call themselves doctors in India who are not doctors. And here…
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Lexicon posted:And here… I'd happily see anybody jailed who falsely refers themselves as a physician. That fake nurse definitely caused an uproar here.
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Purgatory Glory posted:I'd happily see anybody jailed who falsely refers themselves as a physician. That fake nurse definitely caused an uproar here. For sure, I was referring to the naturopathic “doctors” and all the other grifters
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Lexicon posted:And here… You can't utter the phrase "software engineer" without a regulatory body going "IIIIIII heard that!" ŕ la Barth.
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tagesschau posted:You can't utter the phrase "software engineer" without a regulatory body going "IIIIIII heard that!" ŕ la Barth. No regulatory bodies care about software engineers, unless that was the joke that I missed
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qhat posted:No regulatory bodies care about software engineers, unless that was the joke that I missed Not anymore but it was a thing previously. https://www.canlii.org/en/ab/abca/doc/2003/2003abca360/2003abca360.html The PEO and others made a fuss about this until it was pointed out to them that the only restriction is on calling yourself a Professional Engineer or some other word in front of Engineer that might imply similar licensing. It hasn't been an issue for a while though. Pretty goofy of them since "train engineer" and "locomotive engineer" have been around for a long time.
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the doctors driving ubers thing is way overblown. if you are a well-educated and well-trained physician there are a lot of opportunities in the healthcare system that are not frontline provider roles you can do. there isn’t a magical scheme we are pulling on people before they come here that makes them believe they can practice their regulated profession without any barriers. the quality of care, expectations of working in a healthcare system, and quality of initial and continuing education are going to be wildly different globally and it’s far too burdensome to go and establish and maintain equivalencies with all these areas. We do with the US. All the rich failchildren who went to Dr Nicks Caribbean Med School are starting families now and wanting to move back to Canada and are incensed that the regulations that existed when they went to school, that everyone was very aware of, still apply to them despite being rich and Canadian. The path to become credentialed here is not easy but very possible. It would be possible that you could see a lot of MDs not being doctors even if we opened it up more, as residency spaces for less desirable areas (rural sites, primary care) are not going to be what people are shooting for anyways. Everyone wants to be in Toronto and Vancouver and make big money, who knew? The obsession with deregulation seems like a symptom of “we need more!” for the system without really grasping what the actual impact would be. Some areas are introducing associate physicians, which is like a quasi-apprenticeship for foreign-trained docs with a credentialed one here that would help them meet requirements to also become credentialed. This is probably the best path forward.
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my morning jackass posted:.The path to become credentialed here is not easy but very possible. It would be possible that you could see a lot of MDs not being doctors even if we opened it up more, as residency spaces for less desirable areas (rural sites, primary care) are not going to be what people are shooting for anyways. Everyone wants to be in Toronto and Vancouver and make big money, who knew? Yeah I think this is a big part of it that sort of ties into the housing stuff: A lot of Canada loving sucks to live in and there's a reason people are still moving to Toronto/Vancouver rather than the more remote areas where housing is still cheap. Better job opportunities, better career growth, more stuff to do, more accessibility. Like my girlfriend's folks live in Sudbury and her dad has to drive five hours to Toronto a few times a year to see a neurologist. It's not a small town, it's a city of 170,000 people with a decently sized hospital that serves like half of northern Ontario but they just can't attract specialists to it regardless of the pay. Probably because it's a dreary, boring place with brutal winters and the hospital itself doesn't have any real exciting research opportunities for career growth, especially since the Cons refused to bail out the one university in the area. How the hell do you attract doctors to go there? Even if you do with mandatory residency spots in the boonies or something there's a good chance they'll still want to get the hell out of there after and set up their practice in a nicer place from what I've seen. It's a loving nightmare to try and take a declining place and force it into being desirable again and even throwing a pile of theoretically good paying jobs at it, like the Feds did with the CRA headquarters in Sudbury, doesn't always turnt things around and make people want to move there. I just always think of the Ukrainian part of my family who came over pre WW1/early 20s when the government was like "Come to Canada! We need people to live in Winnipeg!" And they took one look at Winnipeg when they got here, said "This place loving sucks rear end" and then moved to Montreal/Southern Ontario as quick as they possibly could after the first winter. Mr Luxury Yacht fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Aug 11, 2023 |
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The "just move to a cheap part of the country!" comments are really funny to me. Sure, let me just uproot to a town where all the money I save on rent is negated by a pay cut and car payments and also I don't know anyone and there's nothing to do and the weather is miserable. Now I'm in the same financial situation but even fewer of my needs are being met, great!
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There is, in my experience, a real culture problem in Canadian employers in that they are hesitant to hire people without "Canadian experience". I know because I experienced this bullshit myself when I arrived, took me 6 months to actually get a job because I just wouldn't get any callbacks, even for jobs that perfectly matched my experiences. Other times I would get called in and grilled about how committed I was to staying in Canada, even in the job that I eventually got (and only stayed for 18 months mind you) the CEO tried to lowball me by bringing up my UK university grades (which are on average in the 60-70% range, but that's a good above-average result over in the UK; not so here). Overall, I've never had any problems since getting that first job, but just getting started is pretty lovely for no good reasons at all.
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qhat posted:There is, in my experience, a real culture problem in Canadian employers in that they are hesitant to hire people without "Canadian experience". Yeah, it's pretty hilarious when Canadian employers treat British or American academic institutions and employers as unknown, unknowable, and therefore necessarily inferior to their counterparts in Canada. But it still happens.
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tagesschau posted:Yeah, it's pretty hilarious when Canadian employers treat British or American academic institutions and employers as unknown, unknowable, and therefore necessarily inferior to their counterparts in Canada. But it still happens. The fact an owner of a company even brings up university transcripts when the person has like 5 years of real engineering experience is laughable. It's either incredibly ignorant or just a cheap negotiating tactic to get the immigrant to bow down and accept whatever poo poo offer they have in mind. Probably both.
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Magic Hate Ball posted:The "just move to a cheap part of the country!" comments are really funny to me. Sure, let me just uproot to a town where all the money I save on rent is negated by a pay cut and car payments and also I don't know anyone and there's nothing to do and the weather is miserable. Now I'm in the same financial situation but even fewer of my needs are being met, great!
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tagesschau posted:Yeah, it's pretty hilarious when Canadian employers treat British or American academic institutions and employers as unknown, unknowable, and therefore necessarily inferior to their counterparts in Canada. But it still happens. I don't want to go in for surgery and find out the surgeon doesn't have any metric surgical tools.
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my morning jackass posted:the doctors driving ubers thing is way overblown. if you are a well-educated and well-trained physician there are a lot of opportunities in the healthcare system that are not frontline provider roles you can do. there isn’t a magical scheme we are pulling on people before they come here that makes them believe they can practice their regulated profession without any barriers. those are pretty good points too
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Juul-Whip posted:i also feel like ive been hearing the "immigrant cab driver with an MD and a nobel prize" since I was old enough to watch Royal Canadian Air Farce
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my morning jackass posted:the doctors driving ubers thing is way overblown. if you are a well-educated and well-trained physician there are a lot of opportunities in the healthcare system that are not frontline provider roles you can do. there isn’t a magical scheme we are pulling on people before they come here that makes them believe they can practice their regulated profession without any barriers. I don't believe that the majority of healthcare professionals who immigrate to Canada are rich failchildren who went to fake Caribbean med schools. But really the question is what is the point of encouraging professionals who are actually practicing specialized roles in their home countries to immigrate here and then placing all kinds of barriers in their way? It deprives those countries (some of whom may well have equivalent standards as Canada) of valuable services and does little to help them or Canada if they end up working in another field. Why not recruit promising students instead? Although notably I think that is happening, given the massive increase in international student enrollment, and yet there are persistent shortages of healthcare workers in most provinces. Of course you can and should blame backwards provinces like Alberta and Ontario for deliberately sabotaging their own healthcare systems, possibly also the CMA or whoever else is in charge of medical school enrolment/residencies, but either way there's clearly a disconnect between what immigration policy is intention and actual impact and there has been for some time.
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Fidelitious posted:Not anymore but it was a thing previously. https://www.canlii.org/en/ab/abca/doc/2003/2003abca360/2003abca360.html Engineer by itself is the protected term, and still is https://engineerscanada.ca/news-and...other-it-titles Train related titles and other legacy engine related stuff are specifically exempt
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eXXon posted:I don't believe that the majority of healthcare professionals who immigrate to Canada are rich failchildren who went to fake Caribbean med schools. The Caribbean comment is specifically referring to rich Canadian failchildren. I'm sure all Canadians know a person or two who couldn't get into their chosen program in Canada and so went to medical/dental/vet school in the Caribbean. quote:But really the question is what is the point of encouraging professionals who are actually practicing specialized roles in their home countries to immigrate here and then placing all kinds of barriers in their way? It deprives those countries (some of whom may well have equivalent standards as Canada) of valuable services and does little to help them or Canada if they end up working in another field. Those barriers aren't (as far as I understand) just arbitrary; they exist for a reason. How do you propose the appropriate Canadian institutions evaluate the quality of medical degrees from each individual country around the world without creating a massive expensive infrastructure to do so? From everything I've heard/read, the system we have now is unfortunately the only cost efficient way to ensure that all foreign physicians operate to Canadian standards.
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MeinPanzer posted:The Caribbean comment is specifically referring to rich Canadian failchildren. I'm sure all Canadians know a person or two who couldn't get into their chosen program in Canada and so went to medical/dental/vet school in the Caribbean. The only person I know who went to med school in Canada or anywhere else, at least personally, got in, decided it loving sucks, and left. He’s a pilot now. Probably not a great financial decision but I’m sure he’s less stressed.
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A doctor so smart they didn't research how to practice in Canada once they got here. I'd wager these aren't the ones we are recruiting in any way.
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PT6A posted:The only person I know who went to med school in Canada or anywhere else, at least personally, got in, decided it loving sucks, and left. He’s a pilot now. Probably not a great financial decision but I’m sure he’s less stressed. Based on everything I’ve heard about the airline industry and the one pilot I know, he probably just traded one kind of stress or unpleasantness for another. Pilots these days generally have to work long hours flying lovely routes and living out of apartments shared with multiple people for years before they can get any kind of stability and make decent money.
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Purgatory Glory posted:A doctor so smart they didn't research how to practice in Canada once they got here. I'd wager these aren't the ones we are recruiting in any way. I mean I'd wager the ones coming from the various parts of collapsing Yugoslavia, as an example I know people from, probably weren't rationally looking through the here's how brown cow book of differences while claiming asylum in 1994-5.
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MeinPanzer posted:Based on everything I’ve heard about the airline industry and the one pilot I know, he probably just traded one kind of stress or unpleasantness for another. Pilots these days generally have to work long hours flying lovely routes and living out of apartments shared with multiple people for years before they can get any kind of stability and make decent money. The lower rungs of the industry loving suck, but then it gets to be pretty good. This guy was in the Coast Guard for a while so he didn't have to go into massive debt for his training, compared with someone doing it first thing out of high school, then instructed for a few years (this is the point I met him, as a co-worker) and now he flies for a cargo airline, makes decent money, works about half the month or less, and is home most nights. But that's not what concerned him about med school/doctoring. When he was in med school, his dad got cancer, so he was in and out of hospitals visiting and all that poo poo, and he decided "gently caress that, I don't want to be around that my whole life, I don't want to be constantly reminded of that, I don't care how good the money is."
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Fidelitious posted:I'm no housing czar but I reckon I know enough about supply and demand that if we build a proper supply of affordable housing then that also means demand for existing super-expensive housing will go down. Yeah, but we can wring another 5-10 years of doing nothing out of this new, useless “plan.” Did you think about that?
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Fidelitious posted:I'm no housing czar but I reckon I know enough about supply and demand that if we build a proper supply of affordable housing then that also means demand for existing super-expensive housing will go down. More seriously, the only way I can think of to both build more housing and maintain housing prices is to (1) build housing that isn’t a substitute for current housing, (2) ensure that the new housing is inferior, and (3) make the housing available only to people who are not currently participating in the housing market. You can get all three by putting homeless people in prison or shipping them up to the far north, which might be worse.
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