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What's a good way to counter St. Celestine with my AdMech? 6 Kataphron Destroyers with Heavy Grav Cannons? I'm fairly confident I may be facing one on Sunday and i'm not sure how to tackle it. e: whoops, new page. 
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Mar 27, 2017 15:42
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Have you tried praying to the emperor harder, heretic?
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Mar 27, 2017 15:44
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Hard to outpray a saint.
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Mar 27, 2017 15:50
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chutche2 posted:Have you tried praying to the emperor harder, heretic? I pray only to the Omnissiah, none of this golden boy poo poo.
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Mar 27, 2017 15:52
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Miles O'Brian posted:Hi I'm Orks4eva but I agree with everyone, please don't play them (yet). I had the most fun modelling but gaming with them is just not. Aren't Orks good(ish) in Kill Team and look to be good in Shadow War? Maybe, ironically, the way to have fun with Orkz is to go small?
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Mar 27, 2017 15:54
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Proletariat Beowulf posted:Oi, me danglies to yer Dukes meffod! 'Ow'd ye fancy et? do orks have gonads chutche2 posted:Have you tried praying to the emperor harder, heretic? TKIY posted:Hard to outpray a saint. is it like american football where the team that prays harder wins? like that poo poo tom brady pulled in the super bowl
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Mar 27, 2017 15:56
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Grav is your best friend.
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Mar 27, 2017 15:55
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Hey guys did the universe end yet?
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Mar 27, 2017 15:57
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What world am I in where GorkMorka is remembered fondly - It was poo poo Necromunda, at the tail end of the 'LOL ORKS ARE FUNNY LOL' phase of GW without even the differentiation that the Necromunda gangs gave between players. I mean, sure, it's all subjective, whatever floats your respective boats, but I've never encountered anyone who thought it was good before.
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Mar 27, 2017 15:57
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Zuul the Cat posted:I pray only to the Omnissiah, none of this golden boy poo poo. Here's your problem
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Mar 27, 2017 15:57
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is Big Daddy G.E. not actually factually the Omnissiah or what. Like I know it was a religious con job but I thought He was actually... it
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Mar 27, 2017 16:00
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Phyresis posted:is Big Daddy G.E. not actually factually the Omnissiah or what. Like I know it was a religious con job but I thought He was actually... it No? The Omnissiah is just the god in the machine*. Technological advancements have regressed to the point where simply turning on a machine includes a poo poo ton of rituals and praying so it will turn on. Simple procedures have been turned into holy rituals. I've always read it as a kind of natural progression from when humanity created A.I. That's why you have stuff like the God in the Machine and "Machine Spirit". I thought that was the whole point of Mars, that they worshiped and did their own thing, but the Imperium needs them, so they allow it. *Unless you believe the Cult of the Dragon, then you actually believe in a Necron C'tan.
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Mar 27, 2017 16:06
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Zuul the Cat posted:No? The Omnissiah is just the god in the machine*. Technological advancements have regressed to the point where simply turning on a machine includes a poo poo ton of rituals and praying so it will turn on. Simple procedures have been turned into holy rituals. "Officially, the Cult Mechanicus maintains that the Emperor is the physical manifestation of the Machine God (the Omnissiah) and part of a trinity that also includes the Machine God and the Motive Force, the deity that gives all life and motion its continued existence." I mean I'm not Christian but isn't it like the difference between praying to Jesus or G-d or whatevs I'd pray directly to the Holy Ghost, that dude sounds fun e: ya it's like i remembered, the "Omnissiah" is the Jesus of their cult, the physical avatar of their god Phyresis fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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Mar 27, 2017 16:10
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Phyresis posted:"Officially, the Cult Mechanicus maintains that the Emperor is the physical manifestation of the Machine God (the Omnissiah) and part of a trinity that also includes the Machine God and the Motive Force, the deity that gives all life and motion its continued existence." Huh, I didn't know that. It sounds like they're based off that, yeah. I wonder if that's the case so they get along with the Ecclesiarchy. In any case, I maintain that my robots refuse to pray to some human.
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Mar 27, 2017 16:13
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it seems to be at least partially political but when is religion not? Some of the fluff I've read seems to imply that the God-Emperor of Mankind did have some kind of mastery over machines and even A.I. though, I think He is actually the Omnissiah, which happened to be convenient for uniting humanity in the solar system. They were waiting for Him for millenia
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Mar 27, 2017 16:16
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Does the HH novel Mechanicum open with the Emperor's first arrival on Mars and he shows that he can command machines?
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Mar 27, 2017 16:33
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Phyresis posted:is Big Daddy G.E. not actually factually the Omnissiah or what. Like I know it was a religious con job but I thought He was actually... it It's the same way Christian missionaries would come in to pagan communities and pick one member of their pantheon and go "uhhh, this one guy is also Jesus, worship him and not the other ones so we can call you Christians." It's the Ecclesiarchy finding a way to reconcile the heresy of the mechanicum and the fact they are in such dire need of their help. I don't think either side is under any illusion of the what's going on.
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Mar 27, 2017 16:47
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Trying to get a synopsis post going, but Imgur doesn't seem to want to upload my pictures at the moment.
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Mar 27, 2017 16:49
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IIRC one of the books had the Emperor go over to Mars and implant the idea of the Omnissiah into their culture millennia before the unification.
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Mar 27, 2017 17:03
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mango sentinel posted:It's the same way Christian missionaries would come in to pagan communities and pick one member of their pantheon and go "uhhh, this one guy is also Jesus, worship him and not the other ones so we can call you Christians." The Ecclesiarchy didn't exist, the Cult of the Omnissiah pre-dates the Cult of the Emperor.
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Mar 27, 2017 17:15
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Why do contemptors get basically 0 wargear options in 40k anyway
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Mar 27, 2017 17:54
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chutche2 posted:Why do contemptors get basically 0 wargear options in 40k anyway Play 30k. 
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Mar 27, 2017 17:58
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TTerrible posted:Play 30k. I do, that's why I have a contemptor It's just easier to get pickup games with a 40k army than a 30k one
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Mar 27, 2017 18:07
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Shockeh posted:What world am I in where GorkMorka is remembered fondly - It was poo poo Necromunda, at the tail end of the 'LOL ORKS ARE FUNNY LOL' phase of GW without even the differentiation that the Necromunda gangs gave between players. The funny lol thing is really overblown. Yes there is a comedic aspect to the game but only because it doesn't take itself so bloody seriously like every other Warhammer game ever.
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Mar 27, 2017 18:10
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chutche2 posted:Why do contemptors get basically 0 wargear options in 40k anyway Because they wanna sell that plastic kit bad. Luckily the IA books have all the options Contemptors can have in HH (bar the Volkite gun, I think).
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Mar 27, 2017 18:18
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chutche2 posted:Why do contemptors get basically 0 wargear options in 40k anyway Because the plastic Contemptor sprue they made comes with like four options.
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Mar 27, 2017 18:18
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panascope posted:Because the plastic Contemptor sprue they made comes with like four options. Less than that, it comes with two - multi melta and Kheres Assault Cannon.
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Mar 27, 2017 18:22
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SteelMentor posted:Because they wanna sell that plastic kit bad. Luckily the IA books have all the options Contemptors can have in HH (bar the Volkite gun, I think). Battlescribe is showing me the FW contemptor has a lower BS and costs more than the Angels of Death one. That's dumb. It is elite instead of heavy support though.
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Mar 27, 2017 18:34
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Arven posted:Orks also suffer from the highest dollar per point army in the game. To field a 2000 point army you'd either have to scratch build and kitbash like crazy or spend over 1000$. It's the cruelest thing about Orks, imo. It seems like people tend to either start as Orks (like I did) or Marines for their first army, and if you chose Orks you've usually sunk a couple hundred dollars into your army before you realize your mistake. How are you buying Orks at 50 cents a point? Even buying new you can get a 2000 point Ork army for half that price, a lot of Ork building blocks are pretty cheap due to start collecting and armored assault boxes, and the secondhand market is booming with cheap Orks if you want them. I'm not gonna defend them as a great army right now or anything (I played them in 5th when they were good and Deffrollas could mulch monoliths, I play them occasionally now where they're bad but I still do well with them) but that's a pretty far off price you're quoting. I think Guard are historically more expensive to build since Orks can at least get some points-heavy units like Nobz that are fairly cheap dollar wise, while Guard need either shitloads of troops or shitloads of tanks, and those add up quickly.
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Mar 27, 2017 19:38
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goose willis posted:I never understood how you could "squat" the Tyranids if they themselves were the ones that squatted the Squats I've got it! The Squats, being so dense and squatty, were never digested into biomass. They waited in the guts of the Tyranid horde, doing squat thrusts and growing their beards until the time was right to punch and wheelie their way out of the tyranid faces and assholes. They then McGyvered the poo poo out of the tyranid bioships and integrated them with pistons and chrome then blasted the poo poo out of the rest of the vagina faced insectoid fleet. Squat revenge. Squat revenge.
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Mar 27, 2017 19:46
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Nobz are dirt cheap right now due to black rock and the last two boxed set of orks having them. Boyz are the same and certain models from black rock can be converted to shootas pretty easily. Everything else is kinda pricey with grots at $15 for 35 points being possibly the worse of the worse.
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Mar 27, 2017 19:46
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LingcodKilla posted:Nobz are dirt cheap right now due to black rock and the last two boxed set of orks having them. Trukks are $37 for 30 points before upgrades and without a discount, which is worse. You can get them through the armored assault boxes with some cheap boyz at least.
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Mar 27, 2017 19:49
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if there's anything i want from a refresh or new edition or new ork codex is a back-to-basics book with a viable foot horde list, i want to be able to just run big friggin mobs of Nobs leading huge swarms of Boyz on foot and stuff like that. Point cost reductions here and there would help a lot. I think new-GW might be able to pull it off
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Mar 27, 2017 19:52
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Phyresis posted:if there's anything i want from a refresh or new edition or new ork codex is a back-to-basics book with a viable foot horde list, i want to be able to just run big friggin mobs of Nobs leading huge swarms of Boyz on foot and stuff like that. Point cost reductions here and there would help a lot. I think new-GW might be able to pull it off Hi.  Got another 10 shootas and 30 sluggas in the pipeline.
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Mar 27, 2017 19:58
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SRM posted:Trukks are $37 for 30 points before upgrades and without a discount, which is worse. You can get them through the armored assault boxes with some cheap boyz at least. And a rhino is $37 for 35 points, transports being a bad point to dollar ratio isn't some kind of unique ork thing.
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Mar 27, 2017 19:59
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I'm really confused by the ITC mission format. According to the event info, we're doing ITC Format Missions 1-3. I get that there's 2 objective markers worth 3 points a piece, and the additional 1 VP goals (Linebreaker, Kingslayer, etc.) but what are the maelstrom missions? Is that were you pull for tactical objectives? If that's the case, can you pull from your army-specific tactical objectives?
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Mar 27, 2017 20:07
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Pretty sure Mek Guns have the worst money to points ratio in the game. £28 for an 18 point model.
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Mar 27, 2017 20:09
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Trukks should cost more points and be more durable like have ramshackle armor hull point upgrades and 5++ saves and poo poo. bring back ork smoke and give it to everything. I want a Black Ork upgrade for Nobs or maybe a separate extra-Elite unit (maybe 1 per Warlord) that gives them a save equivalent to power armor but they lose all ranged weapons in favor of crazy 2-handed chainswords and chainaxes, giant choppas and axes and greatmauls, and a distinctly different flavor of Nob from Meganobz, as these would be faster on foot and be able to WAAAGHHH (new charge distance adding mechanic) with the rest of the foot infantry and possibly generate bonus attacks somehow. Just like one extra. nothing crazy. Also they get access to good unique banners and can serve as morale bubbles for your cowardly Boyz e: oh and they have a special ability that lets them trade all of their attacks for one (unmodifiable) S8-10 AP2 smash attack each (maybe once per game, maybe only on turns where you used a WAAAGHHH) Phyresis fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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Mar 27, 2017 20:14
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Zark the Damned posted:Pretty sure Mek Guns have the worst money to points ratio in the game. £28 for an 18 point model. Well it's really 30 pts I don think you can buy them as the basic stuff. So yeah it's literally more than a dollar per point. That's pretty hard to beat.
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Mar 27, 2017 20:14
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Get rid of Independent Characters. Heroes stand (and die) alone, but will be costed correctly and powerful enough to warrant consideration. No mixed-wound units, no more loving Look Out, Sir. During Wound Resolution models are removed by proximity to the enemy unit - defending player's choice. This makes positioning meaningful and flanking powerful. Certain specialists and snipers have special rules that allow the attacking player to pick which models are removed. Unit upgrades would have to come back into favor, or cheap "unit attachments" such as Apothecaries and Chaplains - costed appropriately to reflect their newly fragile state. Streamline saves, especially cover saves. Some of the rolling needs to be taken out of the game. gently caress WS and BS, move to "5+ to hit" for say Orks, 4+ for Grots/Guardsmen, 3+ for Space Marines, 2+ for anything more elite, and be done with it. e: I mean think about it. A 1 Wound Chaplain with a 4++ for like 30 points looks somewhat enticing, provided that he possesses the proper special rules and unit buffs to make it worth your while. GW would move more Chappie models than ever before, etc. It's just smart. e2: Multi-wound units would still be fine since allocation is so streamlined but you could get rid of them to simplify it even further and leave multiple wounds for solo figures such as heroes and MCs Phyresis fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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Mar 27, 2017 20:24
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