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Yes. But I live in wisconsin 
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I'm in, just tell us what day.
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Jan 3, 2014 00:12
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Anyone know what kind of gear you need? $200 + a plane ticket seems pretty reasonable.
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Jan 3, 2014 00:48
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BlackMK4 posted:http://www.socalsupermoto.com/school_sumo.html Buddy of mine was pretty heavily involved with that group for awhile...good peeps from what I hear, and some real fast dudes out there as well. Xovaan - do the open trackday with us. That reminds me, I need to get that poo poo organized...
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Jan 3, 2014 01:37
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ought ten posted:Anyone know what kind of gear you need? $200 + a plane ticket seems pretty reasonable. quote:What are the requirements? Hell of a lot looser requirements than the closest track to where I live. Full leathers required to race on what's basically a go kart track.
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Jan 3, 2014 01:54
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Z3n posted:
drat three hours away. That's tempting. But I might be starting a business/ending my contract and don't know if I'll be able to make a financial decision like that any time soon, even for the sumo one. OH WAIT it says June 2nd yeah I'll probably be there brah 
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Jan 3, 2014 03:41
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Fooking awesome. School starts in a couple of weeks so I'll probably shoot for something after mid-May. Ride out, do a trackday with them, then maybe do a trackday on the 750.
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Jan 3, 2014 05:27
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BlackMK4 posted:Fooking awesome. School starts in a couple of weeks so I'll probably shoot for something after mid-May. Ride out, do a trackday with them, then maybe do a trackday on the 750. Could probably do some looking and figure it out myself but could you tell me where this is and, if I'm near, whether or not I am invited?
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Jan 3, 2014 05:48
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ChewedFood posted:Could probably do some looking and figure it out myself but could you tell me where this is and, if I'm near, whether or not I am invited? It's at a place called Adam's Motorsports Park in Riverside, Cali. You'd be invited, I'll post something up when the time gets closer to see if anyone wants to join. 
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Jan 3, 2014 06:02
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Open trackday, June 2nd, Thunderhill. Come out to that.
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Jan 3, 2014 06:31
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Price? What org? I'm down.
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Jan 3, 2014 06:38
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BlackMK4 posted:Price? What org? Private trackday, so no sessions. Just go ride. It's usually a bit over 200 bucks.
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Jan 3, 2014 06:51
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I'd be up for a SoCal Sumo groupride. Can you bring bikes to that? I didn't see anything about it in their FAQ... seems kind of silly to borrow a sumo while owning a 690, but I have always wanted to try a DRZSM so....
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Jan 3, 2014 07:15
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The Royal Nonesuch posted:I'd be up for a SoCal Sumo groupride. Can you bring bikes to that? I didn't see anything about it in their FAQ... seems kind of silly to borrow a sumo while owning a 690, but I have always wanted to try a DRZSM so.... Also why risk wadding your 690 when you could wad their bikes?
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Jan 3, 2014 09:37
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Also please dont think anything but a 690 will be boring on a kart track.
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Jan 3, 2014 15:17
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It's quite a bit the other direction actually, having ridden 450's, a DRZ and a 690 around a kart track extensively, the 690 was great but was way too much bike in a few corners. The DRZ felt under powered but you could just wail on it and fast guys had no problem being fast on them, and a 450 is the way to go. Sublime.
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Jan 3, 2014 18:26
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I've not ridden a 450 in sumo trim or a 690 but I guarantee 100% that a 450 is more fun on a kart track. You're not going to beat a 200 pound bike with 50-60hp for fun factor. No bullshit creature comforts just power. If anyone hasn't ever ridden a 450 dirt bike I suggest it. It's brutal.
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Jan 3, 2014 18:32
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Nah I'd love to try a DRZ; it just seemed odd to borrow a sumo when you have one. Good point on crashing loaner bikes being superior to smashing your own however.
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Jan 3, 2014 21:54
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There's some schools linked in the OP but not that one. I've read nothing but good things about those sumo schools in the sumo threads Yeah I wouldn't want to dump my bike either but then again I'd just learn how to back it on on theirs and then try to do that on mine and dump it anyways 
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Jan 4, 2014 13:33
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Z3n posted:I dunno about the sm, but the smc is roughly 300 pounds ready to ride, ~30 pounds lighter than the DRZ. KTM gives the "Weight without fuel approx." of the SMC-R as 140 kg (309 lbs). Add 9 kg (20 lbs) for fuel. Suzuki claims the dry weight of the DRZ is 132 kg (291 lbs). Add 7 kg (15 lbs) for fuel, 1 kg (2 lbs) for coolant and 2 kgs (4 lbs) oils. Despite the KTM slogan for the SMC-R being "Not a single gram of fat; only muscle" it is not a lightweight motard.
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Jan 4, 2014 19:31
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Nidhg00670000 posted:KTM gives the "Weight without fuel approx." of the SMC-R as 140 kg (309 lbs). Add 9 kg (20 lbs) for fuel. You forgot battery, and tires, and tubes, and the tool kit, and key and anything else you can physically remove from the bike. Japanese dry weight is very dry. DRZ is still lighter, but not by much. Nidhg00670000 posted:Despite the KTM slogan for the SMC-R being "Not a single gram of fat; only muscle" it is not a lightweight motard. I'd say the slogan is pretty true. Aside from the huge exhaust can and emissions bullshit, you get a light weight subframe/gas tank (plastic), a tube frame, lightweight components all around, a 690CC engine, a functional set of gauges, 6 speed transmission and bobs your uncle. Not a lot of waste on that chassis that isn't government mandated. Aside from the ABS which I guess you could argue is unnecessary. Only the Husaberg FE 570 goes more extreme but that is quite the bike. FlerpNerpin fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Jan 4, 2014 |
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Jan 4, 2014 20:24
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I wanted ABS, but it wasn't available until this year, and I'm not selling a one year old bike just to get ABS... 
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Jan 4, 2014 20:51
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Honestly, I don't think most people are going to notice the weight difference (mainly cause no one ever gets an honest weight out of most bike makers). It's probably 10-20 pounds, but it could go either way. What you do notice is the extra ~35HP, the better suspension, nicer brakes, etc. Here's an example: http://www.supermotojunkie.com/showthread.php?69674-I-weighed-my-690-SMC-ready-to-ride But that's removing the stock exhaust can, which is loving heavy. Probably 15-20 pounds on it's own. Z3n fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Jan 4, 2014 |
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Jan 4, 2014 21:13
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Talked to my power sports buddy who makes his living doing dirt bike and quad big bores about the DRZ yesterday. $370 for a 435 kit with piston, gaskets, etc and labor included. I was just gonna buy a set of stage 1 Hot Cams from him for $250 but gently caress that's tempting. The nicest thing is that I'll get tuning help from someone who's built pretty much this exact DRZ engine multiple times before.
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Jan 4, 2014 23:16
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Is that the friends discount? I would think the labor alone on a big bore would be more than that
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Jan 4, 2014 23:23
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That's all parts at wholesale plus roughly 10% and pretty much free labor. I'll probably end up going out to his shop on a Friday that I can sneak away from work and do the engine work with his help. The one good thing that came of my stupid RD400 project was meeting this guy, and I have a feeling being friends with him will eventually cancel out the amount of money I've sunk into that piece of poo poo. Edit: God forbid your DRZ engine ever shits out Jim, but if you ever want a cheap top end and don't have a problem shipping/hauling to Madison I could probably hook you up. Yerok fucked around with this message at 09:53 on Jan 5, 2014 |
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Jan 5, 2014 09:49
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You're in Madison? We should hook up this summer for some brappen. Also if my engine ever shits out I'll definitely trailer the bike to Madison for those rates! It's only like a 90 minute drive
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Jan 5, 2014 16:32
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This is a good idea. I'm gonna invest in some better gear this summer and try to do some trackdays
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Jan 6, 2014 02:31
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Any Australian goons in the Perth/WA area looking to buy a sumo, my mate is selling his Husky quote:its 2011, 16k on the clock,good condition, bottom end rebuilt by k-tec. has frame , fork, swingarm sliders, hand guards, barrett cans, supersprox and chain,good tyres join https://www.facebook.com/groups/supermotowa/ to message him caveat, its been 'hooned' to the point that the police took it off him for 6 months, but he's always taken good care of his bikes mechanically. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPZm_wndh70 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FhmQk5iOUI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pkdGuCXRx0 echomadman fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Jan 6, 2014 |
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Jan 6, 2014 19:55
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echomadman posted:caveat, its been 'hooned' to the point that the police took it off him for 6 months So... hooned lightly then?
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Just thought I'd share this from another forum I readquote:Anyone want a 2005 KTM 625SMC for cheap? I need to remove mine from my garage asap! great running shape, both orange a black plastics, LED hand guard signals, 6K on the motor, 18k on the bike. He said there should be a CL ad. His email is ross.o.miller at gmail pic http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b297/spazegun2213/mgbgt/DSCN3432.jpg
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Jan 7, 2014 20:57
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Christoff posted:Just thought I'd share this from another forum I read Location?
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Jan 8, 2014 00:47
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Oh poo poo sorry. Southern California
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Jan 8, 2014 00:52
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What would you guys value a 2013 Ducati Hyperstrada demo bike that has ~1000 miles on it? I'm thinking about trading in or selling my 625SMC and this one came up at the local dealership. I believe Ducati also has a $1500 discount on the the Hyperstrada which puts the MSRP at the same price as the '13 Hypermotard.
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MetaJew posted:What would you guys value a 2013 Ducati Hyperstrada demo bike that has ~1000 miles on it? I'm thinking about trading in or selling my 625SMC and this one came up at the local dealership. I believe Ducati also has a $1500 discount on the the Hyperstrada which puts the MSRP at the same price as the '13 Hypermotard. Why would you want a Hyperstrada? What an ugly, confused machine. I mean, it's the worst parts of the HyperMotard with the polarizing looks of the multi with not as much usefulness. Have you ridden one? The old ones were way more tame than they look and pretty weak for the price. At least now its water cooled and uses a derivative of the 848 engine, but there's gotta be better choices out there. You looking for a stripped down standard for touring duty basically then? You should try to find a 990 SMT if that's what your looking for, I would think. If the Hyperstrada is what your looking for than It's probably not a bad way to get one (slightly used with some kickbacks), seeing as how its a new model and the market doesn't really have used ones floating around. I mean they make it for a market, and maybe you're that market. If so, that's cool, tell us all about it (seriously).
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Spiffness posted:Why would you want a Hyperstrada? I've ridden one. It has a longer range than my SMC, more power, ABS and TCS, equal fuel economy, 18,000 mi service intervals, and its a little more practical. I would love to have a 690SMC but they're hard to find, no longer imported and all are used. I feel burned by KTM. Their poo poo is so quirky and over engineered. I don't understand why they can't design an engine that uses fewer than four oil filters, and the only other sumo options in the US are full of compromises. I'm looking for a more reliable, standard or similar bike. A friend has a previous gen street triple R that I'm going to take for a spin, and I guess the FZ09 is another option but the range is hilariously small. I really enjoy my bike, but with the autodecomp intermittently working-- leading to a scary moment where it stalled in the road and I couldn't get it to start without getting off and kicking it over, I'm not sure I trust it for anything other than track use... And I don't have the space or money to keep two bikes. I'd write more but I'm on my phone. Basically it's just an idea at this time, but for the money it doesn't seem like a bad choice to me. Edit: The dealer wrote me back and claims they have two demos in white, one with ~0 mi and one with ~400. But they didn't give me a starting price. MetaJew fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Jan 15, 2014 |
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Jan 15, 2014 23:42
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I agree, it seems like a confused bike. That seems to be a theme with Ducati. The Hypermoto was a monster with long suspension, and didnt really do well at being a supermoto, or a monster. This seems stuck in middle land as well. I guess if you really have to have one go nuts, but I have to think other things can check all the same boxes and probably for less money to boot. E: I dont think there are any current supermotos that meet your needs, and it seems like you're leaning more towards standard bike with some gravel road chops?
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I'm open to suggestions guys, please tell me what the other options are for things actually available in the US. I just want to be able to go more than 80 miles on a tank, some semblance of reliability, and still have fun-- so light/nimble. I don't need a lot of power. The 110 hp from the 821cc engine was plenty fast for me.
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Knowing dealers, don't expect the offer to blow your socks off. I'd made offers on Demo 848 and 1198s that I backed out of because they just werent willing to deal that much. They'll sell it at whatever silly asking price they quote you, so haggle hard but don't be afraid to walk away unless you were going to pay MSRP anyway and this is just a cherry on-top. The 625 is one of the older style and less friendly KTMs, so I get your feelings. There really is a world of difference between that and a 690 and other newer KTM products. They really got their poo poo together in about 2008/2009 and everything they've put out since then has been pretty well executed. None of that is here nor there though, let us know if the Hyperstrada falls through and you start shopping for other options. If I were in your shoes, looking for beefy naked bikes with a little bit of gravel road chops. I'd be shopping used 990 SuperDukes and SMT's, maybe an Aprilia Dosoduro, or used Hyper-Motards. The older ones a quite a bit lamer compared to the new ones (being heavier, less horsepower, fairly poo poo suspension with few or no adjustments) but you can find ones that have been dropped and people upside down on loans for 6-9K used. At that price you could buy it without being 100% in love with it but make up the interest deficit by railing it down fire roads not giving a poo poo if you scratch it.
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The only Dorso I'd buy would be the 1200 - the 750 is ok but range is low, it's heavy, and honestly, pretty underpowered. I'll throw out my normal recommendation: Handlebar on a supersport. I think the Daytona 675 is the ideal street platform - plenty of kick, good suspension, nice brakes, reasonably priced, narrow and light feeling, and cheap/easy to install a bar kit on. Plus it'll push out to around 140 miles on a tank before the reserve kicks in. I bought my latest one for 2800 bucks (salvage title), have put minimal work into it, and it's loving awesome as a street bike. I took it out on some dirt roads, it handled it decently, as well as a hyper or any other streetbike would. There's the BMW options if you're into being a boring old man. I honestly disagree with Spiff here - I think that the Hyper is actually a very solid bike. It's something along the lines of what I've done to my Daytona, but done from the factory. Lots of room to move around in the saddle, a powerful, punchy engine, street oriented tires and suspension but the ability to do some gravel road blasting if you feel so inclined, better wind protection than a converted supersport... It only seems confused because we don't get real standards. The multi isn't really any more or less useful than the Hyperstrada. There is no loving way I would ever buy a hypermotard unless you're going to get the 6.2 gallon tank. 2.8 gallon tank on that engine means the fuel light is on every 80-90 miles. I think the Street Triple will be the factory done up, cheaper option for you, the Daytona 675 with a handlebar would be the cheaper, sportier option (Street Triples still command a premium for some reason, at least in my market), and the nice, cool option would be the hyperstrada. ABS, TC, and that massive saddle would all be awesome on a bike, and I hope that in a couple of years I can find a crashed one for a song and remind myself why I hate owning Ducatis. Comedy option: Multistrada 1200, leave it in Urban mode. I think you're on the right path though - ride everything you can get your hands on.
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