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DizzyBum posted:I didn't make this connection until just now: A bit late to the party but better late than never 
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zoro... zorro... am i the only one seeing this ??
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Jun 6, 2016 18:39
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Monkey D. Luffy and Portgas D. Ape.
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Jun 6, 2016 18:50
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DizzyBum posted:I didn't make this connection until just now: roger had a crewmate named scopper gaban
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Jun 6, 2016 18:51
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Crazyeyes posted:Nah. Zoro beating him and getting that sword is extremely important setup for Wano. It absolutely had to happen that way. Plus... I mean... it's not like Sanji took out Don Krieg, Nami took out Arlong, Usopp took out Kuro and then Vivi destroyed Crocodile. Hell, it's not like Zoro was the one who beat Axe Hand Morgan. Even in Ennies Lobby, which is the biggest departure from the One Piece formula, and Franky and Robin got to physically beat down Spandam, he wasn't the big physical threat that arc, Lucci and the other CP9 dudes were and they would've still killed/detained Franky and Robin even if Spandam was dead because they had their orders. The Strawhats' role (Luffy especially) is to beat foes who are beyond the people actually involved in the conflict. It's how Luffy and the Strawhats forge bonds with people. It'd be against everything One Piece has ever done to have Brook beat Ryuuma because if he could do that he wouldn't need Luffy and Zoro's help.
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Jun 6, 2016 21:16
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anime was right posted:roger had a crewmate named scopper gaban Oh poo poo, you're right. Oda, you cheeky bastard.
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Jun 6, 2016 21:26
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Zoro totally got the final blow on Morgan, though.
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Jun 6, 2016 21:34
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Advice posted:Zoro totally got the final blow on Morgan, though. Zorro's beef was with Helmempo though.
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Jun 6, 2016 21:44
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Gyges posted:Zorro's beef was with Helmempo though. Which makes it extra funny when they meet again and neither Zoro nor Luffy can remember him. At all.
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Jun 6, 2016 22:00
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it's insane how physically different helmeppo and coby are from their first appearance
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Jun 7, 2016 01:26
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Manatee Cannon posted:it's insane how physically different helmeppo and coby are from their first appearance Eh Helmeppo is pretty much the same, he just doesn't have that dumb hairdo and wears glasses to cover his eyes.
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Jun 7, 2016 02:19
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Manatee Cannon posted:it's insane how physically different helmeppo and coby are from their first appearance Puberty is a magical thing.
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Jun 7, 2016 02:22
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I feel like it's one case where Oda forgot that while he'd been writing for yeeeears at that point, less than a year had passed in the story.
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Jun 7, 2016 03:17
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Manatee Cannon posted:it's insane how physically different helmeppo and coby are from their first appearance Do you think Coby could take Alvida now? For that matter, do you think Usopp could take the Franky Family? I like to think so. Mr. Fowl posted:I feel like it's one case where Oda forgot that while he'd been writing for yeeeears at that point, less than a year had passed in the story. I thought that too until I started my most recent read-through. You get to see Coby's gradual progress during the cover stories. It's still a huge difference, but you get to see him getting lankier and developing abs.
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Jun 7, 2016 06:05
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lowercase16 posted:Do you think Coby could take Alvida now? Haha, what? Usopp could take pre-timeskip Franky, let alone Franky Family. Have you seen those loving plants? Not to mention he has haki now. Not even close. What's Helmeppo's dream? I know he's just kind of tacked onto Coby to give Zoro someone to fight in that matchup, but what's his ultimate goal?
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Jun 7, 2016 08:07
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Rohan Kishibe posted:The Strawhats' role (Luffy especially) is to beat foes who are beyond the people actually involved in the conflict. It's how Luffy and the Strawhats forge bonds with people. It'd be against everything One Piece has ever done to have Brook beat Ryuuma because if he could do that he wouldn't need Luffy and Zoro's help.
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Jun 7, 2016 11:00
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lowercase16 posted:Do you think Coby could take Alvida now? Alvida wouldn't stand a chance against him now. She was one of the first pirates that Luffy beat up, and since then Coby has been training in rokushiki with freaking Garp, of all people.
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Jun 7, 2016 14:42
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I am expecting Coby to become a major player in the OP universe in the coming years. Gonna be vice admiral or something next time we see him. His dream is to be a marine and he is living it. Luffy has lots of respect for him on those grounds even though they disagree on the philosophy of the world order as it stands.
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Jun 7, 2016 16:26
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Advice posted:Haha, what? Usopp could take pre-timeskip Franky, let alone Franky Family. Have you seen those loving plants? Not to mention he has haki now. Not even close. I think Helmeppo wants to track down his father and bring him to justice, if I remember right.
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Jun 7, 2016 16:28
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I thought he just wanted to achieve rank and live a comfortable life like his daddy, without the whole corruption and rear end in a top hat thing?
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Jun 7, 2016 18:55
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Crazyeyes posted:I am expecting Coby to become a major player in the OP universe in the coming years. Gonna be vice admiral or something next time we see him. Haven't people been expecting that for like a decade at this point?
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Jun 7, 2016 19:13
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Boogaleeboo posted:Haven't people been expecting that for like a decade at this point? And we'll keep I expecting it 
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Jun 7, 2016 19:50
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Crazyeyes posted:And we'll keep I expecting it Given how long Fishman Island took to happen, it's not unreasonable to expect character payoff to take a while but to actually happen at some point. Coby is obviously going somewhere and it'll be at least Vice Admiral given his training by Garp and the fact he can use haki, but it taking a while isn't really unexpected.
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Jun 7, 2016 20:10
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tsob posted:I thought he just wanted to achieve rank and live a comfortable life like his daddy, without the whole corruption and rear end in a top hat thing? Episode 68 of the anime involves that cover arc and it's really good. You should rewatch it.
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Jun 7, 2016 21:35
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tsob posted:Given how long Fishman Island took to happen, it's not unreasonable to expect character payoff to take a while but to actually happen at some point. Coby is obviously going somewhere and it'll be at least Vice Admiral given his training by Garp and the fact he can use haki, but it taking a while isn't really unexpected. it took essentially the entire manga to date for luffy to be able to beat a vice admiral
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Jun 7, 2016 21:59
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Jun 7, 2016 22:04
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... Cat Viper lost one of his arms
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Jun 7, 2016 22:18
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Surely you know that's a cover for the volume introducing them, and not some sort of promotional artwork.
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Jun 7, 2016 22:26
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Jose posted:it took essentially the entire manga to date for luffy to be able to beat a vice admiral I think you're thinking of admirals. They were beating vice admirals en masse at Enies Lobby.
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tsob posted:I think you're thinking of admirals. They were beating vice admirals en masse at Enies Lobby. Those were apparently of Captain rank, not VAs. There were only 5 VAs total at Enies Lobby and none of them were seen directly fighting.
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Jun 8, 2016 02:18
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Luffy beat a Vice Admiral in one hit during the Paramount War arc.
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Jun 8, 2016 02:24
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Advice posted:Luffy beat a Vice Admiral in one hit during the Paramount War arc. lol Not counting Garp throwing that fight, I believe Luffy still hasn't beaten a VA. People presumably on his level or weaker (Law, Bartolomeo) have, though; it seems pretty clear that very few VAs pose a serious challenge to Luffy at this point.
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Advice posted:Haha, what? Usopp could take pre-timeskip Franky, let alone Franky Family. Have you seen those loving plants? Not to mention he has haki now. Not even close. I don't know if he could take out pre-timeskip Franky, but that could be bias talking. Franky can breathe fire, though, and plants hate that. Usopp did take out the Fake Hats in one shot. I doubt the Franky Family were any stronger than them. At least, the ones that mugged Usopp, which was the scene I recently reread and broke my heart. Shoren posted:Alvida wouldn't stand a chance against him now. She was one of the first pirates that Luffy beat up, and since then Coby has been training in rokushiki with freaking Garp, of all people. True. But Luffy one-shotted Coby at the Paramount War. Luffy was much stronger by then and I can't remember if he used Gear Second, but Alvida's gotten a Devil Fruit power. Eh. It's something I'd like to see, even if Coby just chumps her. Then again, Coby probably can't fight her because she probably has immunity as a part of Buggy's crew.
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Green Bull is Helmheppo. You heard it here first.
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lowercase16 posted:I don't know if he could take out pre-timeskip Franky, but that could be bias talking. Franky can breathe fire, though, and plants hate that. He'd just pull a Shaman King and have a plant immune or really resistant to heat.
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Jun 8, 2016 16:27
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Jose posted:it took essentially the entire manga to date for luffy to be able to beat a vice admiral He knocked out a bunch of Giants/Vice Admirals during the Paramount War
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lowercase16 posted:True. But Luffy one-shotted Coby at the Paramount War. Luffy was much stronger by then and I can't remember if he used Gear Second, but Alvida's gotten a Devil Fruit power. Eh. It's something I'd like to see, even if Coby just chumps her. Then again, Coby probably can't fight her because she probably has immunity as a part of Buggy's crew. Immediately following Enies Lobby, Luffy and Zoro chumped Coby and Helmeppo, too. I'm pretty sure Luffy was maintaining Gear Second for the whole war due to how high the stakes were, and that's a big advantage, though I'd still give Luffy the benefit of the doubt when he's serious (ref. Bellamy). Pre-timeskip Coby would have had trouble attacking Alvida because her fruit naturally deflects physical attacks, but she probably couldn't hurt him either. Currently, I'm sure Coby has developed his haki and could easily defeat her.
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NutritiousSnack posted:He knocked out a bunch of Giants/Vice Admirals during the Paramount War there were only a few vice admirals and they hosed him up from what i remember but its been a while. of course they could have just only had the strongest vice admirals there
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As far as I know, the only two VAs Luffy has ever engaged were Smoker (who clowned him multiple times) and Garp (who lost on purpose). None of the VAs did anything at Enies Lobby, and at Marineford Luffy basically ran directly to the Admirals and I'm not sure he actually engaged a VA (other than Smoker and Garp). He did punch a giant with gigant rifle right off the bat, but that was not a VA. Since the timeskip, the only VAs encountered by the Strawhats are Smoker, Vergo, Bastille and Maynard. Luffy never engaged with any of them (he did briefly engage Tashigi in Smoker's body). However, based on transitive defeats, it's pretty obvious that Luffy could have trashed any of these people if necessary; I doubt he'd even need gear 4.
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