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Donkringel posted:I wonder if killing a God would supercharge fire Annie. How can you kill a god?
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Macaluso posted:I'm really curious what Coyote's endgame is here. The lolz.
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Coyote is no liar,.and he said he wants to die. Honestly, making Annie a god to match Kat seems like a reasonable endgame for him.
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The lie is that the tooth works, it'll maybe wound/distract Loup enough for Reynard to steal Loup's body, uniting the three of them into one.
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The consciousness of whatever body Reynardine steals dies.
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Macaluso posted:I'm really curious what Coyote's endgame is here. Everything seems to be going according to whatever his plan is except for the Court folks being there. His plan is to read from the script until an almost entirely passive/reactive main cast does whatever he wants.
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life_source posted:The consciousness of whatever body Reynardine steals dies. If anyone could survive whatever happens it's Coyote/Ysen/Loup tho
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Coyote should've contacted Aunt Maya day one; I'm sure the Psychopomps or such have the Throne's phone number.
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A.o.D. posted:How can you kill a god? What a grand and intoxicating innocence.
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Just like the tooth cut Shadow free from Robot, so to will the tooth separate Ysengrin from Coyote, thus killing Loup and restoring all. And the lulz
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no true
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Oh poo poo. Coyote wants to die so he can have the same kind of influence on the Ether that humans do. When humans are taken away by psychopomps, they somehow power the ether and their belief gives it shape. Coyote has definitely expressed jealousy about that. He says he 'doesn't exist' because his reality is dependent on that system. So, he's getting Annie to bring him there. Dying in order to become more real. Ditocoaf fucked around with this message at 09:19 on Jul 23, 2021 |
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Ditocoaf posted:Oh poo poo. Trojan Horsing myself into the Ether to own the Court.
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https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/comics/00002497.jpg Annie pls understand it’s for the lulz
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Man, Coyote is truly a dick. Forcing a child to commit murder to further his own ambitions is pretty low. Also, Annie's lack of agency strikes again. Her first question is why her rather than a flat out refusal to carry out his plan.
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There Bias Two posted:Man, Coyote is truly a dick. Coyote's a god and a Trickster to boot. He's nobody's friend and always has been.
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"When it is done you will know what to do, but not how to do it." This statement must have like 15 different layers to it.
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I love coyote so much. This is a welcome respite from what came before. The only sad thing is that Coyote never stays for long enough 
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thinking a lot about this strip: https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=685
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Hodgepodge posted:thinking a lot about this strip: This does beg the question, which Ysengrin would Annie be "killing" anyway?
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There Bias Two posted:Also, Annie's lack of agency strikes again. Her first question is why her rather than a flat out refusal to carry out his plan. that explains this scene, at least: https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1789 just a couple pages after relentlessly being a hapless pawn: https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1787 ronya fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Jul 23, 2021 |
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There Bias Two posted:Man, Coyote is truly a dick. She doesn't have much choice, given that Loup is about to know that's the plan. The chances of Loup not immediately reacting with violence aren't high. e: not to disagree with her not having much agency! But it does make sense here, in this specific instance, even if that's a part of a pattern.
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Fecha posted:Does Annie have the tooth…? I imagine Renard has it
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Staltran posted:She doesn't have much choice, given that Loup is about to know that's the plan. The chances of Loup not immediately reacting with violence aren't high. It'll be interesting to see where it goes from here. I hope Annie DOESN'T do it, as much as I hate Loup and want him to die, because then at least Annie would be displaying some sort of agency. If she winds up doing what Coyote wants then it'll really feel like she's kind of just become a vehicle for the story to happen through.
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Annie, Coyote is a dick he has been very upfront about that, why does this surprise you?
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Maybe Kat will do it and it'll mess up Coyote's plan somehow
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Hot take Annie will spend a chapter saying it was totally her choice to commit triple murder and forgives Coyote even if the entire Forest doesn’t agree with her.
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Annointed posted:Hot take Annie will spend a chapter saying it was totally her choice to commit triple murder and forgives Coyote even if the entire Forest doesn’t agree with her. What a creative hot take that hasn't been said about every other page this chapter.
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MikeJF posted:What a creative hot take that hasn't been said about every other page this chapter. I know rite. In seriousness though I would like Annie to make the conscious choice to defy gods even if it is the bad choice. If only to see how she feels being responsible for what happens next instead of trying to live with what happens to her. I’d like the change to be “live with what she did good and bad.”
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Previously Annie was making her own (sometimes terrible, sometimes manipulated, sometimes both) choices. What's frustrating is that since the last zimmy she's only either been having stuff done to her or doing what people tell her, no questions asked. It's like being merged back together has doubled her trauma from... everything. Given how every major decision she's made has in one way or another arguably made everything worse, it would make sense that she's completely lost the will to decide things for herself. Just depressively going with the flow. The only "decision" she's made recently is to forgive her father, which isn't so much a decision as regressing to her previous "He has his reasons" attitude. Except it's really not being portrayed like that's the intended reading of what's going on. She's not reading like someone trying and failing to deal with a lot of past crap and breaking down from it (like during Annie and the Fire), she's just turned into a really boring Splicer fucked around with this message at 09:31 on Jul 24, 2021 |
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she might be cottoning on to the notion that Coyote might have had something to do with the psychopomp's plot using the Annan ghost, which they discussed and dismissed previously - her role in this scheme is revealed to be more than merely a tool to poke Ysengrin with. Now she learns that Coyote intended to leverage not only her as a fire spirit but also her as a psychopomp. That's the "why me" bit - it's not really lacking agency as such, I think, inasmuch as realizing that one never had that agency to begin with Annie still trusts Coyote as a friend, however unwisely; that may be ending soon ronya fucked around with this message at 10:17 on Jul 24, 2021 |
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ronya posted:she might be cottoning on to the notion that Coyote might have had something to do with the psychopomp's plot using the Annan ghost, which they discussed and dismissed previously - her role in this scheme is revealed to be more than merely a tool to poke Ysengrin with. Now she learns that Coyote intended to leverage not only her as a fire spirit but also her as a psychopomp. That's the "why me" bit - it's not really lacking agency as such, I think, inasmuch as realizing that one never had that agency to begin with Annie is learning a very important lesson: Trickster Gods are fun and cool at parties, but don't always have your best interests at heart.
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Aw see folks he’s very thoughtful 
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gently caress you, Coyote! Manipulative, self-absorbing jerk. I'm glad he's dead and Loup is better than him.
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Fecha posted:Aw see folks he’s very thoughtful Yeah, he really cares about Annie's feelings. 
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"cowardace"
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So in the previous page Coyote said that using the tooth would be "truly" killing Ysengrin, Coyote, and Loup... But if the tooth is really dang sharp, maybe Annie could use it to separate Ysengrin and Coyote away from Loup and make them two entities again instead? Maybe that's just me being hopeful though.
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So I assume that Coyote arranged to become Loup because Coyote couldn't die in the way a normal creature could and then merge into the Ether, so he's using Ysengrin to piggyback.
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