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Joey McChrist
Aug 8, 2005

MassRafTer posted:

Bushiroad can afford to pay Okada competitively and give him more long term security, they are a huge company. It would be harder, but this isn't offering seven figures to an All Japan guy.

simple as

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this kid is nuts
Mar 30, 2016

MassRafTer posted:

Bushiroad can afford to pay Okada competitively and give him more long term security, they are a huge company. It would be harder, but this isn't offering seven figures to an All Japan guy.

Evidently not (or at least, they/NJPW did not think it made business sense to do so)

apophenium
Apr 14, 2009

Cry 'Mayhem!' and let slip the dogs of Wardlow.
I'm just not sure what NJPW gets out of the partnership with AEW is equitable with what AEW seems to gain. I wouldn't call AEW a bad partner, but I would be incredibly skeptical if I were in the NJPW office (which I am, I grab lunch for President Ace)

Pylons
Mar 16, 2009

apophenium posted:

I'm just not sure what NJPW gets out of the partnership with AEW is equitable with what AEW seems to gain. I wouldn't call AEW a bad partner, but I would be incredibly skeptical if I were in the NJPW office (which I am, I grab lunch for President Ace)

They get probably a really good infusion of cash every year from Forbidden Door.

The_Rob
Feb 1, 2007

Blah blah blah blah!!

Pylons posted:

They get probably a really good infusion of cash every year from Forbidden Door.

Not to mention they’re able to use guys on loan to the company probably for a discounted fee.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
Since this is the bad post thread here is an example of the right way to do an interview request from The Clown Porn Guy.

https://twitter.com/KIDgotHOPS69/status/1748134270269374712

The_Rob
Feb 1, 2007

Blah blah blah blah!!

MassRafTer posted:

Since this is the bad post thread here is an example of the right way to do an interview request from The Clown Porn Guy.

https://twitter.com/KIDgotHOPS69/status/1748134270269374712

I also introduce myself to people as recently turning heel.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
https://twitter.com/YuriZelensky69/status/1748356147218612527

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.
I mean, a lot of people on the internet say WWE is their favourite promotion yet they don't watch it. (because then it wouldn't be their favourite promotion any more :stat:)

rotinaj
Sep 5, 2008

Fun Shoe
Excuse me, social media intern. I am a nobody on the internet with a notable and public fetish for clown themed pornography. Would you please arrange things so that I can have an exclusive interview with your company's top international talent? I am very important.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

Was someone questioning Cubsfan if Dave had ever watched CMLL before in response to Cubs posting about Dave giving his first five stars to a CMLL match.

https://twitter.com/MicromanFever/status/1748361541760552986

rotinaj
Sep 5, 2008

Fun Shoe

I legitimately do not understand why some wrestling fans are this vitriolic about meltzer

These people need help

Shard
Jul 30, 2005

rotinaj posted:

I legitimately do not understand why some wrestling fans are this vitriolic about meltzer

These people need help

Because they bought in to all the times wrestling promotions have named him personally as an enemy and use terms like dirt sheets on air. They truly are, the greatest Marks of all

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

rotinaj posted:

I legitimately do not understand why some wrestling fans are this vitriolic about meltzer

These people need help

It's especially funny here because Dave has a history of just taking whatever HHH tells him privately at face value and not looking into it further.

https://twitter.com/NJPWFanClubNA/status/1748216323572670622

https://twitter.com/NJPWFanClubNA/status/1748353775734059132

https://twitter.com/NJPWFanClubNA/status/1748255040823771504

https://twitter.com/NJPWFanClubNA/status/1748366806677364840

I love when he talks about infrastructure and then rants about wrestlers getting overpaid.

JUNGLE BOY
Sep 23, 2019

MassRafTer posted:

It's especially funny here because Dave has a history of just taking whatever HHH tells him privately at face value and not looking into it further.

https://twitter.com/NJPWFanClubNA/status/1748216323572670622

https://twitter.com/NJPWFanClubNA/status/1748353775734059132

https://twitter.com/NJPWFanClubNA/status/1748255040823771504

https://twitter.com/NJPWFanClubNA/status/1748366806677364840

I love when he talks about infrastructure and then rants about wrestlers getting overpaid.

i was eagerly awaiting to hear from him

Drakkel
May 6, 2007

IT'S LIKE I CAN TOUCH YOU!
Between this and the people yelling at Tony Khan about how he should have kept Jade no matter what I feel like these IWC goofs think that companies can just put a gun to wrestlers heads and force them to sign a contract whenever they want.

karmicknight
Aug 21, 2011
that's deffo true.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

Drakkel posted:

Between this and the people yelling at Tony Khan about how he should have kept Jade no matter what I feel like these IWC goofs think that companies can just put a gun to wrestlers heads and force them to sign a contract whenever they want.

There was a very funny Observer note that WWE does not have plans for Okada the way they had plans for Jade before the signing was announced and then decided she wasn't ready and had to go to the PC.

History Comes Inside!
Nov 20, 2004




Tony Khan dragging a crying Okada out of the NJPW office building while Tanahashi looks on sadly through the blinds on his top floor office window

Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

Earth-1145 is truly the best!
A world of singing, magic frogs,
high adventure, no shitposters
Yeah, you still see it sometimes in professional sports, but many wrestling fans are still in full pre-Flood vs. Kuhn mode where athletes have no agency/free-agency and should be stuck wherever they are so long as the owners (acting on behalf of The Fans, I guess?) decide they should perform elsewhere.

It doesn't help that wrestling had a solid two decades of that being the de facto reality with WWE's monopoly on North American Wrestling, versus anyone under 60 having grown up with free agency as a reality in MLB/NBA/NFL/NHL/etc.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Lamuella posted:

It's within njpw's gift to get rid of these guys any time they want and has been for years.

Yeah, but they'd have to get rid of Gedo first, because that man is loyal to a fault. An extremely large fault.

little munchkin
Aug 15, 2010

rotinaj posted:

I legitimately do not understand why some wrestling fans are this vitriolic about meltzer

These people need help

it helps to understand that all his stuff is paywalled so his haters are getting his quotes fourth-hand from engagement farmers who deliberately strip out context. It makes it a lot easier to project your preconceived judgements onto him and say he's clearly biased towards whatever thing you dislike.

Why they got so fixated on him to begin with is a mystery though.

yea ok
Jul 27, 2006

Cornette

Drakkel
May 6, 2007

IT'S LIKE I CAN TOUCH YOU!
also Bischoff who seems to blame Meltzer for everything bad that's ever happened to his career

Lamuella
Jun 26, 2003

It's like goldy or bronzy, but made of iron.


He's a prominent and respected figure who expresses fondness for Japanese wrestling, American indie wrestling, and AEW. And He produces match ratings that are considered to be important by some groups of fans. Hence people who either dislike the wrestling he likes or more usually like wrestling they've been told he hates consider him to be the voice of everything they hate.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.
One of the things that always comes up about the star ratings is people being unreasonably upset that Angle vs. HBK (and it's always that match in particular) "only" got 4.75 stars from Dave.

I mean, yeah, I think it should've been a 5, but Dave didn't give any 5s out for nearly a decade, so a 4.75 in the 2000s was effectively a 5 anyway.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

TinTower posted:

One of the things that always comes up about the star ratings is people being unreasonably upset that Angle vs. HBK (and it's always that match in particular) "only" got 4.75 stars from Dave.

I mean, yeah, I think it should've been a 5, but Dave didn't give any 5s out for nearly a decade, so a 4.75 in the 2000s was effectively a 5 anyway.

If it was 5 it would have gotten 5 like the other matches in that era got.

Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN
The Dave stuff is so funny because if you actually read/listen to him he's extremely generous to WWE and their match ratings.

If Dave is biased towards anything it's ladder matches. Every MITB match seems to get an automatic 4+ no matter how tired the formula is

Cult of Pies
Oct 2, 2021
why aew and wwe are actually the same, part 4229101.

https://twitter.com/FishHookEXE/status/1748363085809700954

little munchkin
Aug 15, 2010

Drakkel posted:

also Bischoff who seems to blame Meltzer for everything bad that's ever happened to his career

i assume it was on his own show but dave was talking about he and eric would talk a lot around the time when the nwo angle was starting. dave had some thoughts/advice he wanted to give but eric would just talk on and and about himself and his plans and never stop for dave to say anything.

eric was also publicly trashing him/dirtsheets on tv all the time despite himself being a source but that didn't seem to bother him as much since lots of promoters have done that

Drakkel
May 6, 2007

IT'S LIKE I CAN TOUCH YOU!
Also for some reason Bischoff to this day still thinks Meltzer wrote "Death of WCW" and gets mad about it frequently

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.
https://twitter.com/jobbernationtv/status/1748103042275369075?s=46

yea ok
Jul 27, 2006

wow

Ganso Bomb
Oct 24, 2005

turn it all around


Yeah, AEW rules

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

I am normally with you about JobberNation posts but this one cracked me up.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Player Uno had a black mass and one of the babies fell out and the baby looked at me

Kennel
May 1, 2008

BAWWW-UNH!
https://x.com/JobberNationTV/status/1748199301619319267?s=20

Gumball Gumption
Jan 7, 2012

Ok see that's the funniest claim you could make about MJF being anti-christian.

rotinaj
Sep 5, 2008

Fun Shoe
I really hate that the culture war has gotten back around to the assholes calling people they dislike Satan worshippers, and it is getting into everything

My fandom of knowledge fight and my pro wrestling watching should not cross over, that sucks

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Most Power Alex
Sep 2, 2023

He's right you know, MJF call himself a metaphorical devil is much worse than the time Vince challenged and 'beat' God.

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