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we don't see the same 5 heroes mirrored now tho? I mean it happens sometimes but it doesn't as often as it does, which is way better than the tank meta e: if you're talking about stuff like overwatch league then you also get different team comps depending on the map, which never happened when it was all tanks all the time Manatee Cannon fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Apr 30, 2018 |
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I am and I guess it's kinda better than before but anything not Dva/Winston/Tracer/Widow/Mercy/Zen is the exception and not the rule, sometimes you swap out the non-tracer 2nd dps for Mcree/Genji/Sombra/Pharah on some maps? There's not a ton of variety at the top level at all, it's just fun to watch.
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Apr 30, 2018 01:48
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novaSphere posted:I am and I guess it's kinda better than before but anything not Dva/Winston/Tracer/Widow/Mercy/Zen is the exception and not the rule, sometimes you swap out the non-tracer 2nd dps for Mcree/Genji/Sombra/Pharah on some maps? There's not a ton of variety at the top level at all, it's just fun to watch. I have to argue against it being fun to watch. At first yeah it's neat but then every match is the same mirror match or "Well [team] lost the first point they're gonna have to make some changes to bring this back." (team swaps to the same cookie cutter build and oh hey another mirror match. cool.)
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Apr 30, 2018 01:52
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Bumper Stickup posted:I have to argue against it being fun to watch. At first yeah it's neat but then every match is the same mirror match or "Well [team] lost the first point they're gonna have to make some changes to bring this back." (team swaps to the same cookie cutter build and oh hey another mirror match. cool.) ok, yes, both teams running the same comps into each other gets dull, but this was the same problem tank meta faced only worse tank meta was just two walls of meat poking at each other dive meta is at least a more active fight
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Apr 30, 2018 01:54
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Ok I guess I meant it in a relative sense, I think tank meta was boring but dive meta is at least a way to pop off about <favorite player> because them popping off as a high-execution hero is fun to watch
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Apr 30, 2018 02:07
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Yeah, that's the big thing that people straight up ignored about triple tank. Teamfights would consist of a minute or so of poking until either a) Ana and either Reaper or Soldier got ult or b)Roadhog landed a hook. Otherwise it was soldier/reaper poking at a Rein shield until it broke. It was always a mirror match of Rein/Hog/Zarya(Later D.Va)/Ana/Lucio/Reaper(Later Soldier). Any deviation from those heroes was incredibly abnormal, with only Misfits really doing it at Dreamhack Winter 2016. In the past month of OWL, 16 heroes have ~3+ hours of play time (Rein is at 2:58:00, I'm counting him). 12 of them have more than 10 hours of play time. That's hardly a non-diverse metagame. The reason why dive is popular isn't because of Tracer/Genji. Tracer is the best hero in the game, but she doesn't define a metagame, because she slots into literally any team composition perfectly. Dive gets run because the dive tanks of Winston/D.Va are straight up better in almost every situation than any other tank, so teams pick heroes that compliment them.
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Apr 30, 2018 02:18
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Also a single meta is not inherintly bad. American Football has been running West Coast Offense systems for about 40 years, and while there have been tweaks and rule changes that have altered how it operates, its still the basis for every match even in different formations.
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Apr 30, 2018 02:34
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Probably too late to be thinking of this, but can the difficulty based achievements for Uprising and Retribution be done on All Heroes mode?
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Apr 30, 2018 02:35
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Dr Christmas posted:Probably too late to be thinking of this, but can the difficulty based achievements for Uprising and Retribution be done on All Heroes mode? Nope.
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Apr 30, 2018 03:00
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Kaubocks posted:ok, yes, both teams running the same comps into each other gets dull, but this was the same problem tank meta faced only worse This is why I'll never wrap my head around people who think dive is some sort of blight on a competitive first-person shooter. Yes, it would be fantastic if a wide breadth of comps and strategies were equally viable and I hope steps continue to be taken in that direction, but Ana/Triple Tank sucked so fuckin much, the only other thing that's happened in Overwatch that sucked as bad was when they first mega-buffed Mercy and every game had rezzes popping off every 30 seconds, and they sucked for the same reason which is that it turned every single game into this grinding battle of attrition where progress only happened when one side reached the point of exhaustion first.
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Apr 30, 2018 04:40
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I'm in the extreme minority on this then because I absolutely love battles of attrition but hated Super Mercy. I'm also not keen on the idea that a character (or multiple) must be kept in trash tier lest they carve out a different meta.
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Apr 30, 2018 05:32
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I hope the next defense character gets to create a literal trench
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Apr 30, 2018 05:37
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Bumper Stickup posted:I'm in the extreme minority on this then because I absolutely love battles of attrition but hated Super Mercy. I'm also not keen on the idea that a character (or multiple) must be kept in trash tier lest they carve out a different meta. If Ana can be made better in a way that doesn't facilitate a meta where the optimal strategy is pumping endless healing into the asses of tanks all day long then great, I'm all for it, but I'd prefer it happen in a way that emphasized something other than raw healing output and mitigation of things happening outside of endless poke shuffles.
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Apr 30, 2018 05:37
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Dive, tank, mercy, whatever. The current meta is stun meta and it's the worst
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To be fair, since Ana came out, there have been several new heroes and big changes that have come to pass. Heck, Hanzo and Sym's changes will make them both very anti-tank. Brigitte as well is an excellent for creating openings vs Reins. I don't think even if triple tank became a thing again it'd play out remotely similarly to how it was before.
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Apr 30, 2018 05:48
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Honestly, as a tank player i'm just screaming "stop, we're already dead" at the new season
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Kai Tave posted:If Ana can be made better in a way that doesn't facilitate a meta where the optimal strategy is pumping endless healing into the asses of tanks all day long then great, I'm all for it, but I'd prefer it happen in a way that emphasized something other than raw healing output and mitigation of things happening outside of endless poke shuffles. Ana has a serious issue in that she requires skill to get her healing out, but you need less skill to pump heals into a tank. Add that to the way a high health pool character or one with natural armour is often an excellent heal target even when you don't have to take potentially missing into account and you end up with a character that can be TOO good with a tank heavy teamcomp while being not good enough all around. and right now the tanks aren't good enough to focus on them, ana isn't good enough even in a tank heavy comp and in a teamcomp that lacks lots of tanks she's an outright liability
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Apr 30, 2018 16:10
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Manatee Cannon posted:you must not remember the tank meta very well because everyone hated it and you were basically forced to run the same cookie cutter lineup every match. 5/6 heroes were mirrored every game at the bare minimum so when did people stop picking zenyatta winston genji tracer and dva to stop this horrible meta you speak of
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Slime posted:Ana has a serious issue in that she requires skill to get her healing out, but you need less skill to pump heals into a tank. Add that to the way a high health pool character or one with natural armour is often an excellent heal target even when you don't have to take potentially missing into account and you end up with a character that can be TOO good with a tank heavy teamcomp while being not good enough all around. This is only partially true. Tanks still are good, simply because they can counter a lot of ults, and dive especially is still very good. Mainly the only downside is that Blizz assumed Triple Tank would be returning and nerfed the hell out of it before it could even start. Literally every change done has been made with tank busting in mind. Which unfortunately makes them more vulnerable. As for Ana being a liability.. Sorta? It depends on the skill level of the Ana and the teamcomp shes running against more than anything. Since she lacks mobility she can be dived on really easily, but in regards to reliable burst healing, shes the best.
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DeliciousCookie posted:This is only partially true. Tanks still are good, simply because they can counter a lot of ults, and dive especially is still very good. Mainly the only downside is that Blizz assumed Triple Tank would be returning and nerfed the hell out of it before it could even start. Literally every change done has been made with tank busting in mind. Which unfortunately makes them more vulnerable. As for Ana being a liability.. Sorta? It depends on the skill level of the Ana and the teamcomp shes running against more than anything. Since she lacks mobility she can be dived on really easily, but in regards to reliable burst healing, shes the best. If you look at her win rate across all ranks of play she's definitely the weakest healer. Her winrate is significantly behind every other support.
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Apr 30, 2018 19:25
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Is there something I'm supposed to be able to do about Mercy's ult that is not "be good at playing as Widowmaker" In fact is there any solution to any frustrating dumbass problem in this game that is not "be good at playing as Widowmaker"
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Bleck posted:Is there something I'm supposed to be able to do about Mercy's ult that is not "be good at playing as Widowmaker" Be good at playing McCree
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Apr 30, 2018 20:12
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be good at playing any of the other many dps classes that also have more utility than widowmaker?
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Bleck posted:Is there something I'm supposed to be able to do about Mercy's ult that is not "be good at playing as Widowmaker" 1) use soldier ult 2) ignore her entirely
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novaSphere posted:But we see the same 5/6 heroes mirrored now! Why is this acceptable but not triple tank beyblade? Maybe at the top level of games but hooo boy down here in gold land that is certainly not the case. I mean you’ve got Moira’s and Junkrats everywhere but down here people use most of the roster throughout an average play session from my experience. Not many Ana’s running around though.
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Minrad posted:so when did people stop picking zenyatta winston genji tracer and dva to stop this horrible meta you speak of idk what you're talking about because people don't play genji now but this was a little over half a year from when ana was first buffed until around when roadhog was gutted. oh and d.va was a tank staple too (after she got buffed anyway since this started when defense matrix was still a cooldown ability) so I guess that part never stopped
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Manatee Cannon posted:idk what you're talking about because people don't play genji now What Overwatch universe is this and how can I go there?
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Apr 30, 2018 20:50
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Bleck posted:Is there something I'm supposed to be able to do about Mercy's ult that is not "be good at playing as Widowmaker" You can boost into her as D.va to scare the crap out of her.
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hobbesmaster posted:You can boost into her as D.va to scare the crap out of her. In my garbage tier this is usually enough to boop her away from her target, hurt her, and maybe make her do something dumb enough so your soldier 76 can kill her then spam in chat the rest of the match about it
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My best anti-Mercy game was back in the Mercy meta; I played 76 and reserved my ult for literally nothing but countering hers. After the third or fourth time of getting mulched halfway through saying "gemeinsam kampfen wir" she went Ana instead. Then we won because they didn't have a Mercy.
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Bumper Stickup posted:What Overwatch universe is this and how can I go there? my post wasn't about qp. last guy that responded to me was talking about owl so I figured this guy responding to me was also talking about that qp/comp meta barely exists and you can get away with just about anything. you think genji being poo poo and tanks being overpowered stopped genji from being in all qp games? because it sure as hell didn't
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Ginette Reno posted:If you look at her win rate across all ranks of play she's definitely the weakest healer. Her winrate is significantly behind every other support. To be fair, Dive counters her hard right now nor does she really fit into Dive metas well, and in low ranks people have a harder time landing shots.
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Kaubocks posted:i have two strategies for dealing with mercy ult: okay but then what do you do about the invincible damage boosted team that will probably have something to say in the meantime apply this response to all the other dumbass responses
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DeliciousCookie posted:To be fair, Dive counters her hard right now nor does she really fit into Dive metas well, and in low ranks people have a harder time landing shots. Even at GM she's the lowest win rate healer.
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Any XBox Bros want to work on some placement matches tonight? I'll be on between 8 and 8:30 EST. GT: Flexible Ethics
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First impressions of the Brigitte meta: killing the supports is once again absolute top priority.
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I know what I'll be doing this meta; stay far away from Brigitte with phara or soldier and hope my team will find a way to finish her off while I pound them from a safe distance..hope it won't take too long till they nerf her survivability.
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My last box of the event gave me Specimen 28. I think I have every costume I cared about at all from this event, minus Pajamei. My only costume for her above Rare is Lunar New Year and I'm tired of wearing it.
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May 1, 2018 12:48
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Brigitte is OP right now- how did she leave PTR like this? Completely game-changing in my comp matches last night. If your team doesn't have her, and the other does- good luck.
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