Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
(Thread IKs: Buck Wildman)
 
  • Post
  • Reply
Augus
Mar 9, 2015



lol

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

Like Hades II a lot but the combat feels... more tactical and less snappy somehow. I dunno. I felt like Hades had an amazing flow state whereas II forces me to keep my distance more. I also don't like the grind of changing out gear constantly for different collectables but now I'm forgetting if the first game had that too

I blame woke

Karach
May 23, 2003

no war but class war

lmao

Herodotus was also woke

quote:

When Cambyses determined to send the spies, he sent for those Ichthyophagians (“Fish-eaters”) from the city of Elephantine who understood the Ethiopian language. . . 20 When the Fish-eaters arrived from Elephantine at Cambyses’ summons, he sent them to Ethiopia, giving them instruction both about what to say and about the gifts they were carrying, namely a red cloak, twisted gold necklace, bracelets, an alabaster box of incense and an earthenware jar of palm wine.

These Ethiopians, to whom Cambyses sent the Fish-eaters, are said to be the tallest and most beautiful of all men. (2) Their way of choosing kings, it is said, is different from that of all others as are all their laws. They decide who is worthy to be king based on who is the tallest and has strength fitting with this size.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008


*Brooklyn accent guy points at two gay guys* gay, deez two

Grey Fox
Jan 5, 2004

does anyone have the "move over bisexuals, it's bisexuals' turn" meme for Hades II?

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007
will wokeness never cease?

Augus
Mar 9, 2015


can’t believe they added gays and buff women to Greek mythology, smh will the wokedness ever stop?

Honest Thief
Jan 11, 2009

theres an event, not even a quest, but if u give the ncr guy in charge of a refugee camp evidence how a guy there is dealing drugs and gambling with fixed cards he just straights up murder the guy out of jealous rage
I found that a really nice touch of storytelling

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Honest Thief posted:

theres an event, not even a quest, but if u give the ncr guy in charge of a refugee camp evidence how a guy there is dealing drugs and gambling with fixed cards he just straights up murder the guy out of jealous rage
I found that a really nice touch of storytelling

I just thought that people clinging to the NCR on the basis of them being a lesser-evil, and culminating in that guy at the bottom of the exchange rationalizing a war crime a very unsubtle allegory for American politics vis-a-vis the Democrat party, Joe Biden, Palestine, and Trump 2024

and, moreover, that people going to the mat for the NCR, despite the existence of a path that rejects both it and Caesar's Legion, that the game fully supports, is also a reflection of how people would much rather settle for the Democrats, or even try to practice entryism towards the Democrats, ala Bernie and the DSA, rather than put in the work towards a real third party, actually-socialist alternative

Goa Tse-tung
Feb 11, 2008

;3

Yams Fan

gradenko_2000 posted:

I just thought that people clinging to the NCR on the basis of them being a lesser-evil, and culminating in that guy at the bottom of the exchange rationalizing a war crime a very unsubtle allegory for American politics vis-a-vis the Democrat party, Joe Biden, Palestine, and Trump 2024

and, moreover, that people going to the mat for the NCR, despite the existence of a path that rejects both it and Caesar's Legion, that the game fully supports, is also a reflection of how people would much rather settle for the Democrats, or even try to practice entryism towards the Democrats, ala Bernie and the DSA, rather than put in the work towards a real third party, actually-socialist alternative

it also neatly points out that that third path requires literal magic to function



im getting loving deja vu holy poo poo it's 2014 again

Elias_Maluco
Aug 23, 2007
I need to sleep
Speaking of Fallout: I just watched the TV show (I liked it) and I was thinking about the games

I own both Fallout 3 and New Vegas on steam, but never got around to play them (I will). I did play both 2 and 1 (on that order) back in the day, Fallout 2 was my favorite game when I was a kid

So I have a few questions:

- are the new Fallouts proper sequels to the original games (like, continuing the story where FO2 left it) or they are more like reboots, the way the new XCOMs are in relation to the the old ones, for example?

- is the TV show more based on the new games? (asking because I barely recognized anything but the names of organizations and stuff)

- whats the best way to play FO 2 nowdays? is there any fanmade port or something to make it easier to run on modern systems, stuff like that?

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Elias_Maluco posted:

So I have a few questions:

- are the new Fallouts proper sequels to the original games (like, continuing the story where FO2 left it) or they are more like reboots, the way the new XCOMs are in relation to the the old ones, for example?

- is the TV show more based on the new games? (asking because I barely recognized anything but the names of organizations and stuff)

Fallout 3, and 4, are set in the Eastern United States, and so while they technically exist in the same timeline as FO1 and 2, and there are some callbacks to them, you don't really deal with the affairs of things that happened in 1 and 2 as such

Fallout New Vegas is set in... Nevada, and in that sense is far more of a direct sequel/continuation of FO2's events

as for your second question, I would say that they drew from so much of the entire series that it's hard to say either way that the TV show was based on the Bethesda Fallouts. That some of it was unfamiliar was just as much due to it being set in its own place.

Buck Wildman
Mar 30, 2010

I am Metango, Galactic Governor


they are proper sequels within the series timeline. the show doesn't really mirror any game in particular but a lot of stuff like the depiction of vault life resembles 3/4

Redezga
Dec 14, 2006

It's hard to imagine the majority of popular games getting less woke as time goes on, but I also suspect someone who put 15-20 hours into a game before reviewing it negatively for being too woke is going to ever give up playing video games and will just have to endure decades of increasing level of wokeness they just can't quit.

Redezga has issued a correction as of 14:24 on May 13, 2024

Buck Wildman
Mar 30, 2010

I am Metango, Galactic Governor


3 and onward are set several generations after fallout 2 so there's not a lot of direct connectivity beyond historical entities like the ncr

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

remembered the guy who suggested Spider-Man should have a slider setting which changes the amount of gayness prevalent in New York City while doing dishes this morning and had a nice little chuckle

Eason the Fifth
Apr 9, 2020

Elias_Maluco posted:

Speaking of Fallout: I just watched the TV show (I liked it) and I was thinking about the games

I own both Fallout 3 and New Vegas on steam, but never got around to play them (I will). I did play both 2 and 1 (on that order) back in the day, Fallout 2 was my favorite game when I was a kid

So I have a few questions:

- are the new Fallouts proper sequels to the original games (like, continuing the story where FO2 left it) or they are more like reboots, the way the new XCOMs are in relation to the the old ones, for example?

- is the TV show more based on the new games? (asking because I barely recognized anything but the names of organizations and stuff)

- whats the best way to play FO 2 nowdays? is there any fanmade port or something to make it easier to run on modern systems, stuff like that?

They are all vaguely-related sequels to the original games, but the Bethesda games (Fallout 3/4/76) happen in the American east and have their own vibe/aesthetic that is entirely different from the western games (Fallout/Fallout 2/New Vegas). The Bethesda aesthetic is what the show is based on, which is why you might not recognize much from Fallout 1 and 2. New Vegas is the closest you'll get to the older games because a lot of it was based on Van Buren, a cancelled isometric Fallout sequel.

Not sure about the best way to play FO2 these day though.

edit gently caress beaten

Buck Wildman
Mar 30, 2010

I am Metango, Galactic Governor


Redezga posted:

It's hard to imagine the majority of popular games getting less woke as time goes on, but I also suspect someone who put 15-20 hours into a game before reviewing it negatively for being too woke is going to give up playing video games and will just have to endure decades of increasing level of wokeness they just can't quit.

the overwhelming majority of these reviews are just trolls winding people up and it's amazing how many people including here take the bait every time

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Redezga posted:

It's hard to imagine the majority of popular games getting less woke as time goes on, but I also suspect someone who put 15-20 hours into a game before reviewing it negatively for being too woke is going to give up playing video games and will just have to endure decades of increasing level of wokeness they just can't quit.

yeah it owns

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Buck Wildman posted:

the overwhelming majority of these reviews are just trolls winding people up and it's amazing how many people including here take the bait every time

if Spider-Man Gay Slider guy was doing a bit it was a great bit and I would like to patronize his career

Buck Wildman
Mar 30, 2010

I am Metango, Galactic Governor


loquacius posted:

if Spider-Man Gay Slider guy was doing a bit it was a great bit and I would like to patronize his career

oh for sure but 90% of the time that's what it is

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

i hope there comes a day when the anti-woke people simply have nothing left they can enjoy

Buck Wildman
Mar 30, 2010

I am Metango, Galactic Governor


they buy and play the game anyway, every time

Buck Wildman
Mar 30, 2010

I am Metango, Galactic Governor


there's an indicator on steam reviews now as to whether they actually put their money where their mouth is and refunded

Hatebag
Jun 17, 2008


Elias_Maluco posted:


- whats the best way to play FO 2 nowdays? is there any fanmade port or something to make it easier to run on modern systems, stuff like that?

there's an unofficial patch and a restoration project fan patch:
https://www.moddb.com/mods/fallout-2-restoration-project/downloads/fallout-2-restoration-project-v233
the restoration project supposedly includes cut content based on unused code, developer interviews, etc, but i haven't tried it.
should set you straight for running on modern systems if you can get an exe of it, though

RandolphCarter
Jul 30, 2005


the only canonical fallout sequel is brotherhood of steel.

Elias_Maluco
Aug 23, 2007
I need to sleep

Hatebag posted:

there's an unofficial patch and a restoration project fan patch:
https://www.moddb.com/mods/fallout-2-restoration-project/downloads/fallout-2-restoration-project-v233
the restoration project supposedly includes cut content based on unused code, developer interviews, etc, but i haven't tried it.
should set you straight for running on modern systems if you can get an exe of it, though

Thanks, and thanbk you all for your answers

I think anyway Ill replay FO2 first and than try Fallout 3

Buck Wildman
Mar 30, 2010

I am Metango, Galactic Governor


RandolphCarter posted:

the only canonical fallout sequel is brotherhood of steel.

I think that's the only explicitly non canonical one lol

One More Fat Nerd
Apr 13, 2007

Mama’s Lil’ Louie

Nap Ghost

Elias_Maluco posted:

Speaking of Fallout: I just watched the TV show (I liked it) and I was thinking about the games

I own both Fallout 3 and New Vegas on steam, but never got around to play them (I will). I did play both 2 and 1 (on that order) back in the day, Fallout 2 was my favorite game when I was a kid

So I have a few questions:

- are the new Fallouts proper sequels to the original games (like, continuing the story where FO2 left it) or they are more like reboots, the way the new XCOMs are in relation to the the old ones, for example?

- is the TV show more based on the new games? (asking because I barely recognized anything but the names of organizations and stuff)

- whats the best way to play FO 2 nowdays? is there any fanmade port or something to make it easier to run on modern systems, stuff like that?

Another FO2->FO1 gamer. I thought I was the only one.

FO3/NV/4 are full sequels but FO3 and FO4 take place on the east coast and the only major connections are the aesthetic, some enemies and equipment. The Brotherhood of Steel is around, but the East Coast version is extremely different. This is kinda written into the background (there was a schism, you can find remnants of the paranoid techno-hermits), but in FO3 and (to a lesser extent) 4, they're pretty much just "The Good Guys". The writing in these is extremely Bethesda Standard.

FONV is much more of a "real sequel" to FO1/2, in that its set in the southwest and deals heavily with the NCR faction that was established in FO2, as well as other plot threads. The writing here is very much more like FO1/2, which makes sense given the team who made it.

FO76 is a prequel set in West Virginia and gives the origin of a couple factions, I think(????) but otherwise doesn't seem very important, or good. It has skyrim dragons.

Edit: gently caress, I apparently type slow on this phone.

RandolphCarter
Jul 30, 2005


Buck Wildman posted:

I think that's the only explicitly non canonical one lol

woke nonsense.

Hatebag
Jun 17, 2008


crazy to me that people are paying money for fallout 2 on steam, gog, etc. none of that money is going to anyone who had anything to do with the game, and nobody is going to care if you steal it. it's a victimless crime!

Buck Wildman
Mar 30, 2010

I am Metango, Galactic Governor


RandolphCarter posted:

woke nonsense.

dammit is there anything they won't corrupt

turn off the TV
Aug 4, 2010

moderately annoying

Lib and let die posted:

i hope there comes a day when the anti-woke people simply have nothing left they can enjoy

they're upset that the naked lady's hips are too wide so we're getting close

Augus
Mar 9, 2015


The complaint about the characters being “too emotionally supportive” is also really funny because two of the characters at your home base in Hades 2 make it their full-time job to bully Melinoe

Yossarian-22 posted:

Like Hades II a lot but the combat feels... more tactical and less snappy somehow. I dunno. I felt like Hades had an amazing flow state whereas II forces me to keep my distance more. I also don't like the grind of changing out gear constantly for different collectables but now I'm forgetting if the first game had that too

I blame woke

Mel is definitely meant to feel more like a caster than Zag, given that she’s a witch and all. It takes a lot of getting used to and re-wiring your brain away from the zippy dash spam of the first game but it’s really fun to mow through crowds of enemies with big charge attacks.

Augus
Mar 9, 2015


Lib and let die posted:

i hope there comes a day when the anti-woke people simply have nothing left they can enjoy

they weren’t even able to enjoy Stellar Blade because a costume was changed to show 1.3% less side boob lol

Karach
May 23, 2003

no war but class war

Hatebag posted:

there's an unofficial patch and a restoration project fan patch:
https://www.moddb.com/mods/fallout-2-restoration-project/downloads/fallout-2-restoration-project-v233
the restoration project supposedly includes cut content based on unused code, developer interviews, etc, but i haven't tried it.
should set you straight for running on modern systems if you can get an exe of it, though

Having payed through it, I can definitely see why content like the EPA area was cut; none of it feels very well thought out. FO2 as a whole was developed in a very short space of time (less than a year iirc?), so maybe it's not surprising that the stuff they didn't leave in isn't very good.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Hatebag posted:

crazy to me that people are paying money for fallout 2 on steam, gog, etc. none of that money is going to anyone who had anything to do with the game, and nobody is going to care if you steal it. it's a victimless crime!

Isn't a lot of the appeal of GOG that you know it'll work well on modern OSes? Also probably a lot of people aren't used to piracy and would rather pay :10bux: than figure it out but I would venture to guess that not many of those people are interested in Fallout 2 in particular

Augus posted:

The complaint about the characters being “too emotionally supportive” is also really funny because two of the characters at your home base in Hades 2 make it their full-time job to bully Melinoe

Yeah the idea of a game where every character talks like they're in group therapy sounds really saccharine and annoying to me but I kind of doubt that's actually what's going on here

that said, "the characters are too emotionally supportive" sounds like troll framing, it's too on-the-nose

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

fellas is fallout new vegas a neoliberal allegory

Karach
May 23, 2003

no war but class war

AnimeIsTrash posted:

fellas is fallout new vegas a neoliberal allegory

your character is a victim of the post-apocalyptic gig economy

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Hatebag
Jun 17, 2008


Karach posted:

Having payed through it, I can definitely see why content like the EPA area was cut; none of it feels very well thought out. FO2 as a whole was developed in a very short space of time (less than a year iirc?), so maybe it's not surprising that the stuff they didn't leave in isn't very good.

yeah, been like a decade since i last played it but a lot of fallout 2 felt like it was placeholder content as it was. can't imagine the restored content is gonna knock your socks off



loquacius posted:

Isn't a lot of the appeal of GOG that you know it'll work well on modern OSes? Also probably a lot of people aren't used to piracy and would rather pay :10bux: than figure it out but I would venture to guess that not many of those people are interested in Fallout 2 in particular



from what i can see you might need to gently caress around with fan patches to make even the gog copy run on win 10/11.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply