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Wolverine's main series is bad and everyone should feel bad who has a hand in it. I'm glad they're
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I already asked Marvel if there was gonna be a real grave of Wolverine for me to dance on. They've deigned not reply.
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May 2, 2014 16:27
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coconono posted:I already asked Marvel if there was gonna be a real grave of Wolverine for me to dance on. They've deigned not reply. You might just have to enjoy seeing me eat a comic
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May 2, 2014 18:43
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If Pak's Storm doesn't costantly arrange monorail rendezvous, the series is a failure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_rj1B3l9gE
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May 2, 2014 21:29
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I haven't seen anyone mention how laughably terrible Origin II's ending is. The series is about Wolverine being all savage in the wilderness. A group is hired to track him down, which includes Victor Creed and his scar-faced companion Clara, who is able to reason with Victor and keep him in check. Clara feels bad for Logan and catches feelings for him, which naturally makes Victor mad. The three of them end up on the run from Nathaniel Essex and his men, as Essex wants to experiment on Logan. Eventually, it's revealed that Clara is not Victor's girlfriend, but his sister. Victor secretly snitches on where they're hiding so that Essex can take Logan out of the equation. Instead, Logan kills a bunch of Essex's soldiers while accidentally stabbing Clara. Victor shows up and they decide to go gently caress up Essex out of revenge. Then Clara gets up once they're gone. Logan claws up Essex and throws him out a window just after finding out that Victor snitched. Clara pops in to point out that she's alive and all the Creed children have healing factors. Logan snaps at Victor and drowns him in a vat of some potion Essex made that cancels out healing factors. Victor is dead and Clara bitches Logan out for being a monster. Months later, Clara is confronted by someone she identifies as a complete sadist and tells him that Victor is dead. The man in question is a crazy-jacked and animal-like Sabretooth (compared to Victor, who was just a tall dude with fangs), who is all mad that Victor -- the victim of his annual birthday beatings -- died without his permission. Now he's going to transfer that tradition to the man who killed his little brother. Yes, Origin II did the loving Landfill from Beerfest plot device. With a straight face! Art was nice, at least.
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May 6, 2014 15:40
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Glad I didn't bother with the last issue.
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May 7, 2014 03:04
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Gavok posted:I haven't seen anyone mention how laughably terrible Origin II's ending is. Incorrect. Through the entire mini, Creed is only referred to in-story as "Creed". This is stupid because nobody would call their drat brother by his last name only, but whatever, it's true. I just skimmed back through all 5 issues to make sure. There IS an exception: in the recap to book 3. Which you can blame on editorial not knowing/remembering that it's gonna be revealed in 5 that it was never Victor Creed at all but his little brother Saul Creed (like Clara says on the last page of 5, "Saul's dead"). This was fixed in the recap for 4. So it was Sabretooth's little brother the entire time. Victor Creed was, I dunno, hanging out with the circus the whole time or whatever and never showed up til the end. Still not a great ending, and you probably can see the twist coming if you stop to ask why "Creed"s sister is calling him Creed the whole time, but it's not as dumb as what you thought.
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May 7, 2014 03:43
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Ah, my bad. Still, I absolutely hated the over-the-top depiction of Victor compared to Saul, who looked pretty much like Tyler Mane Sabretooth with a knit cap. I was wrong about the name thing, but in spirit it was the same idea.
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May 7, 2014 03:49
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You know, the whole Sabertooth/Wolverine thing was a lot more interesting when we didnt know the facts. Remember when we all thought Sabertooth was Wolverine's dad?
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May 7, 2014 05:10
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Sabretooth is a bad character with a bad design and is awful and boring except when riding a jetpack.
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May 7, 2014 05:16
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Chinaman7000 posted:Sabretooth is a bad character with a bad design and is awful and boring except when riding a jetpack. And when he's walking in on Deadpool beating the poo poo out of Crossbones.
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May 7, 2014 05:22
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Sabretooth really should have stayed an Iron Fist villain.
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May 7, 2014 05:23
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Sabretooth's kinda okay when running The Hand Admittedly, that's the only time i've seen him run The Hand.
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May 7, 2014 05:35
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Sabertooth was only good in Age of Apocalypse/Exiles.
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May 7, 2014 05:37
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I feel like Sabertooth is better the further away he gets from Wolverine and being caught in the perpetual loop of being a secondary character that progresses or regresses randomly. Also is it just a thing that Wolverine stories have to be about healing factors and relatives now? I haven't read much of his solo work recently but that was a big part of Daken and all his back story right? Hell, isn't the current book about how he lost his healing factor?
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May 7, 2014 05:51
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Sabertooth was pretty great in that Mike Carey X-Men lineup. He works best as a wild card beast-on-a-leash, kind of like how Bullseye was with the Dark Avengers. As just a villain, his whole gimmick of nastiness has been outdone by a lot freakier characters. Also, I'd read a Cain Marko/Victor Creed team-up book in the right hands, so I might be a strange fan to get an opinion from on this.
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May 7, 2014 05:56
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Probably Magic posted:Sabertooth was pretty great in that Mike Carey X-Men lineup. I also really liked that Wolverine and the X-Men issue with Bachalo on art where Beast fights him in space. As one does.
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May 7, 2014 15:27
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Gavok posted:And when he's walking in on Deadpool beating the poo poo out of Crossbones. I remember seeing panels from that. What issue was it?
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May 7, 2014 17:04
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That twist sounds so horrible. I was really looking forward to seeing how "Creed" and Wolverine's relationship turned out by the end, but gently caress it, we have to have a twist in there and have Sabertooth just kind of randomly decide to start antagonizing Wolverine because he killed the dude Sabertooth normally antagonized. It also bothers me that Clara turns on Wolverine by the end, because of course she does. To add to the "Sabertooth as a good character" discussion, he's also awesome in Age of Apocolypse and Exiles, but he's practically a different character entirely there.
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May 7, 2014 17:14
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I have a HUGE problem with how they portray Cyclops's power in the issue that came out today. He uses it to propel himself around in space, which means it's pushing back on him when he's using it, which means he's basically headbutting everything he hits with his eye beams! Ahhh!!
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May 7, 2014 18:24
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How the eye beams work is one of the least consistent matters in comics.
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May 7, 2014 18:25
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Senor Candle posted:I have a HUGE problem with how they portray Cyclops's power in the issue that came out today. He uses it to propel himself around in space, which means it's pushing back on him when he's using it, which means he's basically headbutting everything he hits with his eye beams! Ahhh!! Starring Sandra Bullock as Cyclops
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May 7, 2014 18:32
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Gavok posted:Ah, my bad. Still, I absolutely hated the over-the-top depiction of Victor compared to Saul, who looked pretty much like Tyler Mane Sabretooth with a knit cap. I'd have forgiven that series a lot if the last page reveal had been that Clara was pregnant with the real Sabretooth (and Logan never figures it out), would have been a neat tie in with their original planned origin.
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May 7, 2014 19:22
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Senor Candle posted:I have a HUGE problem with how they portray Cyclops's power in the issue that came out today. He uses it to propel himself around in space, which means it's pushing back on him when he's using it, which means he's basically headbutting everything he hits with his eye beams! Ahhh!! One time he was falling and used the beams to slow his descent. Whatever man, I thought it was cool back then!
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May 7, 2014 19:45
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It's comic books. I'm not going to let physics ruin my enjoyment of an otherwise excellent Greg Rucka boook about space pirates.
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May 7, 2014 23:32
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Senor Candle posted:I have a HUGE problem with how they portray Cyclops's power in the issue that came out today. He uses it to propel himself around in space, which means it's pushing back on him when he's using it, which means he's basically headbutting everything he hits with his eye beams! Ahhh!! It pushes him around in space, where there's absolutely zero resistance. Considering he barely knocked his head against the ship when he was firing full blast, it's clearly not much of a push. Edit: What bugs me is that Warpath's cat-skunk-whatever girlfriend is cheating on Jimmy with Corsair. Cabbit fucked around with this message at 00:01 on May 8, 2014 |
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May 7, 2014 23:49
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Cabbit posted:It pushes him around in space, where there's absolutely zero resistance. Considering he barely knocked his head against the ship when he was firing full blast, it's clearly not much of a push. Uh, Hezibath (sp?) was Corsair's girlfriend for like 30 years. Long before she ever met Warpath. But of course, we're ignoring that Corsair died or that the San Francisco X-Men era ever happened.
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May 8, 2014 00:04
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Uh. How did lil' Scott join the Xavier school two weeks ago? Are we meant to believe all of All-New X-men and Uncanny take place in even less time?
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May 8, 2014 07:52
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Teenage Fansub posted:Uh. How did lil' Scott join the Xavier school two weeks ago? That is how long ago Battle of the Atom is, and they switched from the Jean Grey school to Xavier school.
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May 8, 2014 07:55
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bobkatt013 posted:That is how long ago Battle of the Atom is, and they switched from the Jean Grey school to Xavier school. "BUT A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, I JOINED A SCHOOL FOR MUTANTS. A SCHOOL RUN BY A MAN NAMED CHARLES XAVIER." Then talks about it being the first time he had friends, met Jean, yadda yadda. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 08:05 on May 8, 2014 |
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May 8, 2014 08:02
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I came here to talk about how great Cyclops was, how much fun it was to read and how touching and awkward Scott and Corsair's relationship is and how Rucka has pretty much nailed it, plus it was a whole bunch a fun and alla y'all are just complaining about eye-beam head buts and skunk girl fidelity and Jeegus priorities people this was a drat fine and drat fun X-book a++ would buy again.
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May 8, 2014 12:49
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Yeah Cyclops was a grade A fun book and despite not caring about young X people in the present I am down for the Space Adventures of Errol Flynn trying to figure out how to raise his son. And I like Scott getting to appreciate having his father back while still a kid, even for a little bit.
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May 8, 2014 13:14
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Waterhaul posted:Yeah Cyclops was a grade A fun book and despite not caring about young X people in the present I am down for the Space Adventures of Errol Flynn trying to figure out how to raise his son. Agree 70000% Fun book, can't wait to see where they end up.
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May 8, 2014 18:31
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I'm really glad the Cyclops book was good 'cause I love Cyclops and I don't want the haters to have more ammunition 
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May 8, 2014 18:37
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Magneto is a violent dick. The paperclip thing. yeesh.
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May 8, 2014 18:37
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I've been reading the Cable and Hope adventures, but holy gently caress Bishop. I hate how he's a "Don't worry guys, all the horrible poo poo i'm doing has a really good reason, but i'm not going to tell you because that would make you try to stop me, but trust me when I say I need to kill this baby and most of the population of the planet" guy. Hope and Cable as a father/daughter team is really great though.
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May 9, 2014 03:19
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So, nobody has issue with the 'couple of weeks' thing in Cyclops? My mind is still boggling.
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May 9, 2014 03:23
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Teenage Fansub posted:So, nobody has issue with the 'couple of weeks' thing in Cyclops? The original five X-Men had only been with Xavier, in the past, for five weeks before they were brought to the future.
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May 9, 2014 03:26
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Soonmot posted:The original five X-Men had only been with Xavier, in the past, for five weeks before they were brought to the future. But Scott is saying it's been a couple from his time joining the original school till the present in space. I don't see how the line could be interpreted any different unless we really stretch how much time 'a couple' can refer to. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 03:33 on May 9, 2014 |
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Teenage Fansub posted:I don't see how the line could be interpreted any different unless we really stretch how much time 'a couple' can refer to. Otherwise people would just say two.
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