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Jan 16, 2016 05:12
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Not singling any side of this out but it's kind of hard to feel bad for anyone when pretty much every "disagreement" boils down 0: Is [comic] any good? 1: YEP! 2: NOPE! 1: Actually, YEP. Because gently caress you. 2: Nope! gently caress YOU. 1: Typical 2, being wrong. Eat a dick. Like there has been a sentence and a half of actual discussion of the pros and cons of 52 (or The Question or Rorschach) in the past two pages, mostly sort of hypothetical, but a whole lot of dogpiling on Lurdiak and other "bad posters" for not sufficiently taking down unassailable positions like "yeah that rules, shut up"
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Jan 16, 2016 05:53
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Well, I don't read much DC and I picked up 52 on a sale last year and I liked it pretty well. For someone who only kind of in passing follows the line, it was an interesting look at some characters I've never read like Steel and the Question. Also, I love Black Adam, well I love Black Adam's name and design, and his parts of the story were for me the best parts. It's not the most accessible thing for a Marvel or indie reader and I'm not 100% sure exactly where it fits in continuity. It's got a pretty deep bench so I had to check a lot of wikipedia character bios, especially for evil scientist island. It was a pretty ambitious idea and they pulled it off well.
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Jan 16, 2016 06:13
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Burden of proof is on the wrong.
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Jan 16, 2016 06:31
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zoux posted:Well, I don't read much DC and I picked up 52 on a sale last year and I liked it pretty well. For someone who only kind of in passing follows the line, it was an interesting look at some characters I've never read like Steel and the Question. Also, I love Black Adam, well I love Black Adam's name and design, and his parts of the story were for me the best parts. It's not the most accessible thing for a Marvel or indie reader and I'm not 100% sure exactly where it fits in continuity. It's got a pretty deep bench so I had to check a lot of wikipedia character bios, especially for evil scientist island. I was picking it up in single issues with some love for Morrisson and no current knowledge of DC, and 52 was just a slog. It felt like the stories assumed some affection for the characters or situation, which I didn't have, and the way the book only gave a few pages to any story really killed any change for developing an interest. Plus the art was just sad and generic, and I couldn't tell if the DC history pages at the back were serious or comedy. I got the TPBs cheap and made it through more recently, and it was an ok story. A weekly comic made by a group of great writers is an ambitious project, but I prefer Spider-Man's take on it where each writer gets to tell an arc, then the next writer comes in.
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Jan 16, 2016 06:32
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CharlestheHammer posted:I am trying not to be a dick but it's hard Story of my life. Aphrodite posted:Burden of proof is on the wrong. Everyone is wrong all the time. Problem solved.
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Jan 16, 2016 07:22
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Picking up the floppies did make it seem very disjointed and it works better in one reading. The individual storylines ranged from okay to excellent and my personal faves were the island of mad scientists and black Adam.
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Jan 16, 2016 07:41
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52 is what you expect from superhero comics when you've heard about them, but not read them. It has poo poo-tons of colorful characters with barely-described backstories, having goofy, violent adventures peppered with mysteries to crack. Events have consequences, and when a character changes because of their experiences, you can expect the change to endure. And there are 52 issues of it, so it's all coming at you from a firehose. I like 52, and liked it even more when I was reading it for the first time, as it was coming out. At the time, I would have been jazzed as heck if DC has cancelled 12-16 books, in favor of running 52-style "story spine" series for the DCU and major sublines (Batman, Superman, JLA?). I talked with nerd friends about how  that would be. Then came Countdown, and more recently, things like Batman Eternal. Now, I get that the weekly serial format is a whole lot easier to get wrong than to get right, and 52's secret sauce was the writing team it had going bananas all over its plotlines.52 is a treasure and if you want pure superhero pumped directly into your retinas, you should give it a read.
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Jan 16, 2016 08:57
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Sorting comics to prep them to sell is BORING and TEDIOUS.
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Jan 16, 2016 08:57
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zoux posted:Well, I don't read much DC and I picked up 52 on a sale last year and I liked it pretty well. For someone who only kind of in passing follows the line, it was an interesting look at some characters I've never read like Steel and the Question. Steel was my least favorite part. The whole plot relies on everyone being incredible stupid and the only good part was the dream sequence by Morrisson and the "Rain of the Supermen" cover.
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Jan 16, 2016 12:44
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Alaois posted:the best part of X-Men 3 was when Cyclops died and NOBODY in the movie gave a poo poo, it was amazing The funniest part is they killed him off because Marsden was working on Singer's Superman movie. He told Fox that he would have plenty of time to film both but they were all "You want to be in Superman? Fine, CYCLOPS IS DEAD." Fox also wanted the movie to come out before Superman Returns, no matter what. Which is why Matthew Vaughn quit and they brought it Brett Ratner.
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Jan 16, 2016 14:10
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Rhyno posted:Sorting comics to prep them to sell is BORING and TEDIOUS. I once spent an entire week-end sorting computer files, and no one gave me money at the end of it.
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Jan 16, 2016 14:25
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CharlestheHammer posted:Trolling the chat thread is haram. I want to state for the record I am not trolling, Cyclops is actually dumb and bad
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Jan 16, 2016 14:44
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Lurdiak posted:I once spent an entire week-end sorting computer files, and no one gave me money at the end of it. I've already made a couple hundred bucks which is what motivated me to prep more.
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Jan 16, 2016 17:22
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Travis343 posted:I want to state for the record I am not trolling, Cyclops is actually dumb and bad Please don't do this Travis343. You and I had something beautiful together. You're breaking my heart Travis.
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Jan 16, 2016 17:31
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Travis343 posted:I want to state for the record I am not trolling, Cyclops is actually dumb and bad I'm so sorry but you are incredibly wrong and, it turns out, Cyclops is good and cool and right about the issues.
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Jan 16, 2016 17:32
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The only X-Man better than Cyclops is Gambit. And also X-Man. Nate is so much cooler than Cable.
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Jan 16, 2016 17:32
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X-Man is terrible in every conceivable way and I can't help but love him, without irony, because of it. It's some serious Mr. Burns diseases poo poo.
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Jan 16, 2016 17:37
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It is Storm who is the coolest, and best X-Character.
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Jan 16, 2016 17:44
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http://webm.land/media/Yk0q.webm
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Jan 16, 2016 18:14
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The only major X-Persons I think I really dislike are the grizzled angry badass/soldier ones like Cable and Wolverine (Logan).
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Jan 16, 2016 19:21
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Havok is the superior Summers brother who never gets the attention he deserves.
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Jan 16, 2016 19:30
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Even if he was cool before (he wasn't), there is no recovering from this:
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Jan 16, 2016 19:55
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DrProsek posted:The only major X-Persons I think I really dislike are the grizzled angry badass/soldier ones like Cable and Wolverine (Logan). I really like classic 80s Wolverine before he was functionally immortal and in every single comic forever. What a douchebag. gently caress this guy, seriously
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Jan 16, 2016 20:25
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As Redditors would say, ELI5: Why is Alex a douchebag for that scene?
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Jan 16, 2016 21:35
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Dario the Wop posted:As Redditors would say, ELI5: Why is Alex a douchebag for that scene? Replace the word "mutant" with Muslim in that scene.
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Jan 16, 2016 21:38
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Travis343 posted:It is Storm who is the coolest, and best X-Character. I shall meet you at the monorail!
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Jan 16, 2016 21:54
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Dario the Wop posted:As Redditors would say, ELI5: Why is Alex a douchebag for that scene? It's a longer speech.
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Jan 16, 2016 22:26
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It was made worse at the time with Remender telling critics of the speech that they should drown themselves in hobo piss.
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Jan 16, 2016 22:53
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And made better by Bendis having Kitty Pryde call him out on it in All New X-Men.
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Jan 16, 2016 22:56
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Skwirl posted:Replace the word "mutant" with Muslim in that scene. Or, ya know, "negro." Martin Luther King Day is Monday.
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Jan 16, 2016 23:35
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Travis343 posted:I want to state for the record I am not trolling, Cyclops is actually dumb and bad Squizzle posted:Please don't do this Travis343. A Tin Of Beans posted:I'm so sorry but you are incredibly wrong and, it turns out, Cyclops is good and cool and right about the issues. WickedHate posted:The only X-Man better than Cyclops is Gambit. Travis343 posted:It is Storm who is the coolest, and best X-Character. Good talk guys.
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Jan 17, 2016 00:34
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As we later see in Avengers, Cap's primary motivation is to bring about the end of the Earth and prevent anyone from stopping that with his fists. Ergo we can determine that Cyclops was indeed right simply because he opposed Cap. (And also the way they solved it ended up being pretty much his original plan.)
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Jan 17, 2016 00:49
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Dario the Wop posted:As Redditors would say, ELI5: Why is Alex a douchebag for that scene? The backlash carried over into the actual comics once other writers saw it. Bendis put his retort into the mouth of Kitty Pryde and later said that the incident Kitty relates there is based on something similar that happened to him (Bendis is Jewish).
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Jan 17, 2016 01:16
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Thank you. Obviously it's clear how in general trying to draw real-world parallels between mutants and RL minorities could be problematic, but I wasn't sure why those particular panels were drawing such anger. I needed the entire speech, as I missed out on the initial furor. The CA article showed the entire speech, and the problem with, for lack of better words, identity politics. I hope I haven't offended anyone with my density, in those initial panels I saw a ham-fisted attempt at "we're all people," which I didn't see as worth quite all the vitriol I saw from my fellow goons. So yeah, as Travis said, Havok is a douchebag. Further proof that Cyclops is the best Summers brother. 
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Jan 17, 2016 01:33
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Completely removed from the "mutants as metaphor" thing, Havok's making a pretty reasonable point. Mutants are only one gene off from humans, they can interbreed just fine. There's no real reason to call mutants a separate species.
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Jan 17, 2016 01:37
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Edge & Christian posted:Nah, Cyclops rules, you drool.  Edge & Christian posted:Good talk guys.
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Jan 17, 2016 01:38
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Dario the Wop posted:Thank you. Obviously it's clear how in general trying to draw real-world parallels between mutants and RL minorities could be problematic, but I wasn't sure why those particular panels were drawing such anger. I needed the entire speech, as I missed out on the initial furor. The CA article showed the entire speech, and the problem with, for lack of better words, identity politics. I hope I haven't offended anyone with my density, in those initial panels I saw a ham-fisted attempt at "we're all people," which I didn't see as worth quite all the vitriol I saw from my fellow goons. I didn't want to make a giant image post. I figured enough people would get it from the last part.
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Jan 17, 2016 01:43
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Aphrodite posted:I didn't want to make a giant image post. I figured enough people would get it from the last part.  boom boom boom posted:Completely removed from the "mutants as metaphor" thing, Havok's making a pretty reasonable point. Mutants are only one gene off from humans, they can interbreed just fine. There's no real reason to call mutants a separate species.
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boom boom boom posted:Completely removed from the "mutants as metaphor" thing, Havok's making a pretty reasonable point. Mutants are only one gene off from humans, they can interbreed just fine. There's no real reason to call mutants a separate species. Jews can breed with gentiles just fine, so there's no reason to call them Jews.
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