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Endless Mike posted:I read through pretty much all of Sweet Tooth today, having bought it during some sale on Comixology awhile ago, and starting it on a flight but never finishing. Anyway, that’s a really good series! The characters were all well-defined with great character growth throughout, and the story goes places I wouldn’t have expected at all. Lemire’s art is as beautiful as ever. Highly recommend. Lemire is one of those work horses who just has a knack for doing amazing comics. I highly recommend checking out his graphic novels like Essex Country, Underwater Welder, and the Nobody. He had a new one this year called Roughneck which was pretty good too. Also read his Black Hammer series which is one of the best series being published right now.
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I caught up on the newest run of Runaways an for a utterly loving insane to me that it took over a loving DECADE for someone to do a good followup to BKV's run. It's literally teen drama featuring on the run superheroes. It's not a difficult high concept at all, and only Gillen was able to capture that feel with vol. 2 of YA with a completely different cast. How has NOBODY done it good until now.
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Whedon's run did so much damage that nobody could salvage it.
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I was hoping that Krampus: devil of Christmas would be a good Christmas movie. It wasn't.
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War of Jokes and Riddles was fuckin good as hell man. That ruled
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Dec 26, 2017 15:09
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Rhyno posted:Whedon's run did so much damage that nobody could salvage it. Remind me why his run was so bad? I have the 8 little mini books and don't remember the last one being god awful.
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A Strange Aeon posted:Remind me why his run was so bad? I have the 8 little mini books and don't remember the last one being god awful. I started reading it immediately after a reread of Vaughn's run and the major turn off was him not getting any of the character's voices. Stopped after 2 issues, so I don't know if anything worse happened.
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One big problem with Whedon's run was that the delays killed the book's momentum.
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A Strange Aeon posted:Remind me why his run was so bad? I have the 8 little mini books and don't remember the last one being god awful.
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Dec 26, 2017 22:08
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I think adding a time displaced child bride didnt help much.
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So I'm reading irredeemable/incorruptible and like, overall it's engaging enough to keep reading but there are some things in this where it's just readily apparent that waid is an awful person. Volt is a racist trope, but oh he points out how he's a racist trope so that makes it okay. The Japanese woman channels the ghosts of ancient sword fighters because that's what Japan is all about right?? Modeus is a closeted gay man who kills people because he's in love with the plutonian! Plutonian kidnaps women and dresses them up as his crush so he can get a boner and rape them! Max damage is a pedophile!
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site posted:Modeus is a closeted gay man who kills people because he's in love with the plutonian! I agree with the others, but I didn't think this one was meant to be a Gay Panic thing, it was more like an exaggeration - that often pops up in fandoms - about how the villain is so obsessed with the hero he secretly wants to bone him, like what people say about the Joker or Lex.
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Dec 26, 2017 23:55
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Given context of everything else in the book and waid as a person I see no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt
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Isn't that also basically Katana and Armor's powers? In comics Japan apparently that just is what they do, between ninja training and Yakuza activities.
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I’d like elaboration on Waid being a lovely person
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site posted:So I'm reading irredeemable/incorruptible and like, overall it's engaging enough to keep reading but there are some things in this where it's just readily apparent that waid is an awful person. I don't agree with most of these. Volt is meant to be a commentary on how stupid it is virtually every major black character has lightning powers; a Big Theme of Ireedeemable is as a commentary on the tropes that dominate superhero and specifically DC comics, and there's nothing about Volt that's specifically racist over highlighting how tired and lazy writers are with most black characters. Kaidan is like literally the only main character in Irredeemable who isn't awful in some way, and I thought her power was actually super interesting and unique. Modeus is not a gay panic character. As Samuringa mentions, he's absolutely 100% Waid commenting on the relationship superheroes and supervillains have,feeding into the demonstrative that runs through Irredeemable specifically of Waid highlighting the elements of superhero stories that he feels worthy of commentary that he can do because he isn't writing a story for the big two. The Plutonian stuff is like, after he's literally destroyed a country and murdered everyone in it. Its titled Irredeemable for a reason. The one I agree with you the most on is the Max Damage stuff,and its not helped by how they play Jailbait/pedophilia jokes for laughs,but the main thematic thrust of Incorruptible is trying to highlight how an utterly amoral - not even evil, just does not know what morality is - person approaches being a moral person in the wake of personal enlightenment and after the harm has already been done, so there's a big theme of Jailbait sort of being a living reminder to Max that no matter how much good he does or how good he tries to be moving forward there's a severely broken woman he had a hand in creating hanging around him. Again,its not helped by the jokes they make about it,but Incorruptible is an intentionally more light hearted work than Irredeemable so a lot of it can be blamed on the tone shift not landing as well.
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Lick! The! Whisk! posted:I don't agree with most of these. Volt is meant to be a commentary on how stupid it is virtually every major black character has lightning powers; a Big Theme of Ireedeemable is as a commentary on the tropes that dominate superhero and specifically DC comics, and there's nothing about Volt that's specifically racist over highlighting how tired and lazy writers are with most black characters. If Volt is a commentary on anything then its loving awful at it because it literally opens with him acknowledging hes a racist trope like that somehow absolves waid of using it and then volt doesnt do much of anything and then gets unceremoniously killed ten issues in. What is the point? What is waid saying by doing this? Same for Kaiden. She's not a lovely person like most characters in the book, but was there nothing else waid couldve come up with for her power set other than relying on orientalist tropes of "Japanese, therefore communing with ancient spirits and swords"? What is waid "commenting" on here that necessitated this? Why does waid have to use a gay panic character who is also a psychotic villain to get this point across? So the only way to show plutonian was now a bad guy was rape? Like, youre saying that murdering millions of people didnt get the point across, it was only with rape that we got it? It's not even dewelled on in the book as A Big Deal, the reader just gets shown and told that he raped a couple women and the book moves on, never talking about it. That had to be used as a storytelling device? What profound statement is waid making here that legitimizes sexual abuse of women as a throwaway line? There was nothing else waid couldve done with max, he has to be a pedo to get the point across? You could call all these deliberate choices commentary if waid was saying anything at all with them, but it doesnt seem to me that he is E: admittedly im just now at issue 20 for both books, but somehow i dont see any answers to these questions coming soon if at all E2: oh cool, waid made the trans woman a rapist too site fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Dec 27, 2017 |
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I caught up with the Conan Omnibuses and found out there's no announced release date for the next one so I'm worried Dark Horse just decided to stop giving a poo poo like they did with Kurosagi Corpse Delivery Service.
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do I need to find that E&C post about how the "black superheroes always have lightning powers" cannard is really dumb or should i wait for him to post it
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Alaois posted:do I need to find that E&C post about how the "black superheroes always have lightning powers" cannard is really dumb or should i wait for him to post it I am not sure what point it would serve but you can do it if you like. Don't even have to post it in this thread even
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Madkal posted:I was hoping that Krampus: devil of Christmas would be a good Christmas movie. It wasn't. Instead of doing that I read Hellboy: Krampusnacht, which is a comic where Adam Hughes draws Hellboy punching out the Krampus. It also has a rare reference to the Fatherland Front, the fascists who ruled Austria in the 30s before the Nazis rolled in. Historically, they're rarely referred to because they were obviously overshadowed. A Strange Aeon posted:Remind me why his run was so bad? I have the 8 little mini books and don't remember the last one being god awful. It was written by Joss Whedon Lightning Lord fucked around with this message at 14:01 on Dec 27, 2017 |
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Alaois posted:do I need to find that E&C post about how the "black superheroes always have lightning powers" cannard is really dumb or should i wait for him to post it Anyway, the Comprehensive List of Black Characters With Lightning Powers, 1977-Present 1. Black Lightning: the lightning-based black superhero created by Tony Isabella and Trevor Von Eeden 2. Black Vulcan: the character from Super Friends that Filmation used after they realized they'd have to pay Isabella/Von Eeden royalties for using their character under new creator-participation contracts established at DC in the 1970s 3. Juice: the character from Justice League Unlimited Warner Brothers Animation used after they realized they didn't want to pay Isabella/Von Eeden royalties for using Black Lightning, and FIlmation owned Black Vulcan 4. Soul Power: the character from Static Shock that they had to use when they realized they couldn't use Black Lightning or Black Vulcan 5. Static: an unrelated character outside of a shared power set and the possible influence to include an electricity based hero into the Milestone universe launch as a nod to Black Lightning? Maybe? 6. Lightning: the lightning-lady daughter of Black Lightning created by Alex Ross for Kingdom Come 7. Black Power: The Earth-3 Black Lightning 8. Volt, the Mark Waid Incorruptible character that is an explicit take on the joke "all them black characters with electrical powers " 9. Coldcast, a guy from the Elite. I don't know if this was a reference to Black Lightning but this is the same writer/run that officially brought Apache Chief into the DCU so you never know. 10. Thunder Fall, one of a team of African super villains that appeared in like half an issue of Batwing. 10a. Electro was black in the film Amazing Spider-Man 2. Of the ten (or eleven) black superheroes with electrical powers, seven (potentially eight) are explicit analogues/spin-offs of Black Lightning. It would be like making a list of Superman, Superboy, Eradicator, Superboy Prime, Supergirl, Superwoman, Super Turtle, Mon-El, Valor, Sunshine Superman, Superduperman, Stupidman, Ultraman, Bizarro, Supreme, Lady Supreme, Hyperion, Gladiator, Kid Gladiator, Omniman, Homelander, the High, Mister Majestic, and Martian Manhunter, and wonder aloud why all aliens are white dudes with capes. Which might have happened in Irredeemable, I forget.
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Guy Goodbody posted:I caught up with the Conan Omnibuses and found out there's no announced release date for the next one so I'm worried Dark Horse just decided to stop giving a poo poo like they did with Kurosagi Corpse Delivery Service.  https://www.darkhorse.com/Books/3003-027/Conan-Omnibus-Volume-4-TPB
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Edge & Christian posted:I was going to bring that up but it seemed kind of irrelevant to site's discussion of Irredeemable/Incorruptible being full of kind of lazy faux-clever archetypes. Whether it's "there is a weird racist stereotype about black characters with lightning powers" or "Mark Waid is lazily assuming there is a weird racist.." doesn't change very much. I didn't want to be seen as nitpicking or trying to undermine site's feelings about the two books; I didn't really care for them either, for many of the same reasons. Not trying to argue but could it be that this notion got popular since there are far fewer prominent black superheroes around, at least until the 2005s or so(there wasn't a racial revolution or anything, but at least people are realizing other races exist)? In raw numbers yea, there's only a dozen or so, but in the percentage that might be different. And have you ever done a list such as this but regarding asian characters? I was wondering about that one, they probably are featured even less than the african-americans.
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Oh cool, it just wasn't on Amazon I guess. But my point still stands about Kurosagi Corpse Delivery Service!
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Samuringa posted:Not trying to argue but could it be that this notion got popular since there are far fewer prominent black superheroes around, at least until the 2005s or so(there wasn't a racial revolution or anything, but at least people are realizing other races exist)? In raw numbers yea, there's only a dozen or so, but in the percentage that might be different. And have you ever done a list such as this but regarding asian characters? I was wondering about that one, they probably are featured even less than the african-americans. By 2005 you'd added dozens if not hundreds of other characters. Out of that list I posted, half of them never appeared in actual comic books, just in other media and as one-off characters in a couple of cases. In terms of regularly appearing black superheroes, the list of Electrical Guys is: - Black Lightning - Lightning, Black Lightning's daughter - Static, one character out of the entire Milestone line which was majority African-American/non-white heroes with a wide variety of powers - Coldcast - Volt, commenting on the preponderance of the characters above. I think anyone reading comics can come up with twice as many ninja off the top of their head as that list.
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Please tell me superduperman is a real character
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Dec 27, 2017 18:19
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Superduperman was a parody from Mad.
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Dec 27, 2017 18:20
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Not gonna lie I'm a little disappointed now
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site posted:Not gonna lie I'm a little disappointed now Be the change you want to see in the world.
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Aphrodite posted:Superduperman was a parody from Mad. He was the inspiration for either Alan Moore's take on Miracleman or Watchmen. I can't remember which.
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Wheat Loaf posted:He was the inspiration for either Alan Moore's take on Miracleman or Watchmen. I can't remember which. It's both. Superduperman blew little Alan Moore's mind.
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Wheat Loaf posted:He was the inspiration for either Alan Moore's take on Miracleman or Watchmen. I can't remember which. The early Mad stuff is pretty great in general. DC did a great 4 volume set of that stuff, highly recommended.
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Guy Goodbody posted:Oh cool, it just wasn't on Amazon I guess. I'm really excited for the next volume of Berserk to come out a full year after its Japanese release, as per usual.
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Aphrodite posted:Superduperman was a parody from Mad. That's the Wally Wood one?
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I just accidentally stumbled across a complete comic adaptation of the Bible and it's actually pretty awesome from what I can see. Like, that's art from the book. It's definitely made by Christians for Christians, but the art looks actually pretty awesome and there are some stories in the Bible that are just entertaining. I'm Catholic, but I normally avoid the by Christians for Christian stuff because it's always very preachy and sometimes sort of messed up. I'm not going to buy it, but that hardest shockingly awesome that art is shockingly Awesome for a biblical comic. It's weird. During their ad on YouTube, they go " action, adventure, Romance!" And it's like, yeah, that is the bible, never thought of it that way.
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Vincent posted:That's the Wally Wood one? Yep, that's the one.
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Covok posted:I'm Catholic, but I normally avoid the by Christians for Christian stuff I'm not religious at all, but I usually find the grungy takes on biblical matter really entertaining. Not knowing exactly how you feel, I dunno if these would be interesting or terribly offensive, but have you tried Jason Aaron's The Goddamned? https://www.comixology.com/The-Goddamned/comics-series/57862 It's a brutal action comic set in a super ugly pre-flood Earth. Sort of like if that Noah movie was ten times harsher. Boom has a new series about Judas https://comicbookroundup.com/comic-books/reviews/boom-studios/judas I haven't tried it yet, but it's been well reviewed. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 07:10 on Dec 28, 2017 |
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Happy 95th birthday to Stan Lee!
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