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Oscar Wild posted:The male prescient supersedes the female, like how Jessica and all the reverend mothers can interact with the female memories, but the men are inscrutable. At least that's how I interpret it. Men can sense men and women but women are limited in their memories. Or it is simply a plot device. I think it's that reverend mothers can only talk to female ancestors. Abominations can talk to both (like how Alia can interact with her grandfather). Also the distinction is made between prescients (the Atreides line) and those who can recall ancestral memories (all the BG reverend mothers). Ghanima and Leto just happened to have both abilities.
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Mein Kampf Enthusiast posted:thread inspired me. Even The Whipping Star/The Dosadi Experiment or the Jesus Incident series, which are basically off-brand Dune, are a hundred times more Dune than the KJA/BH tripe. I also recommend The Dragon In The Sea, probably my favorite Herbert work aside from Dune.
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I like how Frank Herbert has his own font
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Murray Mantoinette posted:I also recommend The Dragon In The Sea, probably my favorite Herbert work aside from Dune. Your av is great.  He wrote really good creepy/horror science fiction, too. Hellstrom's Hive is probably my favorite non-Dune book of his, had some great moments and a sense of mounting dread (tempered with dark humor).
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phasmid posted:Your av is great. How do we set it as a tag?
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you just buy it as an av.
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I will recommend The White Plague by Frank Herbert. I really liked it when I read it nearly twenty years ago.
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Murray Mantoinette posted:Even The Whipping Star/The Dosadi Experiment or the Jesus Incident series, which are basically off-brand Dune, are a hundred times more Dune than the KJA/BH tripe. I'm partial to The Heaven Makers because it's like James Cameron's Avatar only super short and humans want to deal with aliens instead of conquer them and some of the characters aren't assholes and oh hey here's a few pages about our insane faith-created demon that collectively reflects all of our worshipers at once who appears every time we gather to worship no big that's just how it is everything else is fine. One thing with those two Dune mini-series, the casting was so weird. Like a lot of folks in it were great, and the cast in general are all talented people but, like, drat. Like the two guys who played Stilgar are both great actors but  like what about either of them even remotely is like the Stilgar in the books. Ian McNiece deserved to play the Baron in a better adaptation. Children of Dune really is so much better than the first though, they even got a different composer to do a much better soundtrack.
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Having stumbled upon this thread and reading it all in one sitting, I'm amazed that it came from GBS. Quality thread, voted 5, I'll probably be looking up Whipping Star at the local library. Ahem, IMO: Dune was a standalone classic, it's been years since I've read Messiah, but all I remember is thinking "Where the gently caress is Paul?!". I think Children properly had characters I cared about (and firmly killed Paul, waaah), but I think I'm the only guy on earth who really really Enjoyed, and still Enjoys, God Emperor. It's such a wild take on the golden path and noble despot thing and I loved how it's basically just another standalone novel all over again. This thread has had a lot of good takes on Herbert's sources, and books are often much better when knowing their context (See: Catcher in the Rye, gently caress that boring book), so cheers for that. Now, back to talking about WormDicks. vvvvvEdit: Everyone I know IRL hates it, and I got the impression that goons where like "It's got huge plot holes, but hey remember that time in Messiah..." Serephina fucked around with this message at 08:48 on Jan 7, 2018 |
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Serephina posted:Having stumbled upon this thread and reading it all in one sitting, I'm amazed that it came from GBS. Quality thread, voted 5, I'll probably be looking up Whipping Star at the local library. How do you think you're the only God Emperor fanatic if you read the whole thread? It's practically goonsensus.
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Books 1-4 are great, though 4 is seperate. Read 5 & 6 at your whim. Read no farther, for it is bad. Like, bad.
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I'm glad you like this thread, i've tried to make it a few times over the years since the foundation of gbs 2.0 and one fizzled and died and I killed the other one by being a huge idiot so the fact the Dune thread has finally worked out more or less makes me pretty happy. And yeah goons in this thread seem to agree with you that God Emperor is good. I can't speak for a wider consensus, though. I don't read TBB or anywhere else opinions might be solicited. I know I loving love it. Generally it seems like people either think Dune is the only good one, or 1-4 are good, and your mileage varies on 5-6, as phasmid says.
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Defiance Industries posted:They fall into the trap of "women use sex to control men and make them do things!" Don't get bent out of shape but that happens a lot in real life. It's not the dynamic governing all relationships but it happens.
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basic hitler posted:I'm glad you like this thread, i've tried to make it a few times over the years since the foundation of gbs 2.0 and one fizzled and died and I killed the other one by being a huge idiot so the fact the Dune thread has finally worked out more or less makes me pretty happy. 5 and 6 have good moments, like the revelations on Tleilaxu society and just wtf Axlotl tanks are. Revealing it at the same time they reveal the sisters have been turning each other into them for their own purposes is masterful. Then you have all the brain syphilis ideas like sex ninjas and whatever.
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I feel like I can agree with 1-4 are good, 5&6 have good. BUT 1 is a thing all it's own, is perfect without any of them, and if definitely the best.
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Dune has several ideas, and several themes they all come together and weave into a singular masterful book thats' part sci-fi, part philosophy, and even a treatise on theology. It's a novel that tries to reach through multiple disciplines and modes of thought to construct its universe and it succeeds wildly at it. The other books narrow their ideas and themes to one or two at a time, giving them a tighter focus in exchange for something lost.
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Amarcarts posted:Don't get bent out of shape but that happens a lot in real life. It's not the dynamic governing all relationships but it happens. When you make it a cornerstone of a pan-galactic millennia-long conspiracy it starts to feel like you might have issues. Defiance Industries fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Jan 7, 2018 |
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Amarcarts posted:Don't get bent out of shape but that happens a lot in real life. It's not the dynamic governing all relationships but it happens. What a strange response to that criticism of a work of fiction.
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Amarcarts posted:Don't get bent out of shape but that happens a lot in real life. It's not the dynamic governing all relationships but it happens. Lol. I also apply this dynamic to interplanetary politics.
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basic hitler posted:Imagine being so hosed up that you kidnap your 9 year old grandson and have your family goon force feed him a substance that will potentially permanently wreck his psyche. Yeah...but is it all that different from circumcision? *sigh* white people
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Also which Dune book has the butch lesbian soldier lady having an orgasm from watching Duncan Idaho climb a wall?
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No Hope posted:Also which Dune book has the butch lesbian soldier lady having an orgasm from watching Duncan Idaho climb a wall? God emperor
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No Hope posted:Also which Dune book has the butch lesbian soldier lady having an orgasm from watching Duncan Idaho climb a wall? All of them. Everybody is having orgasms watching Duncan Idaho do stuff.
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women having orgasms? this really is sci fi
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God Emperor owns. 400 pages of like four characters wandering around having a conversation and it's somehow awesome, I love it. Sci-Fi was developing an attempt at adapting it, that would have been "amazing."
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A tv adaptation of God emperor should be centered on Moneo. It opens up with him waking up in a sweat, he's just recieved reports that sionna has successfully stolen some of Leto's journals. He gets dressed and goes about his day, finally entering the chamber of the God Emperor, where it turns into My Dinner With Andre
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Which frank Herbert book is where they're crashed on a horrible jungle planet that just relentlessly tries to kill you every second and they're trying to get to a hab sphere and it's super intense. I like that one
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It was raining constantly and slowly driving everyone insane.
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That was Ray Bradbury.
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phasmid posted:That was Ray Bradbury. Ray Bradbury is way underrated as a writer. "The Illustrated Man" is one of the best selection of short stories in American literature.
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Oh poo poo that's right it was Bradbury. He's so good.
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Which story was that?
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Mein Kampf Enthusiast posted:Which story was that? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Long_Rain On Venus.
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"Crashed on a horrible planet that's constantly trying to kill you" does sound a lot like Herbert's Jesus Incident though. Also that book, The Dosadi Experiment and Dune all shared the theme of a very dangerous and stressful life creating powerful people out of the few who manage to survive.
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hi first time long time do guild heighliners travel through space instantaneously no matter the distance, or do they warp space like star trek and it takes longer to go farther ?
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The second option I always thought; there's some flight time at the start of Dune when Paul's a kid, and the whole 'using spice to enable us to pilot around things so we don't hit them' implies corrective courses rather than plotting a chart and pressing a button.
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