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Brexit is taking too long, time for Hunxit. Luxembourg Foreign Minister Jean Asselborn has called for Hungary to be suspended or even expelled from the European Union because of its "massive violation" of EU fundamental values. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37347352
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Sep 13, 2016 15:55
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Cat Mattress posted:Brexit is taking too long, time for Hunxit.
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Sep 13, 2016 15:55
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Luxembourg, the country with roughly 0,2% refugees despite being the richest country in the EU per capita.
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Sep 13, 2016 16:02
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Shazback posted:Luxembourg, the country with roughly 0,2% refugees despite being the richest country in the EU per capita. Listen, kid. This is Europe. We're all pieces of poo poo here.
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Sep 13, 2016 16:37
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Shazback posted:Luxembourg, the country with roughly 0,2% refugees despite being the richest country in the EU per capita. Why would you compare absolute number of refugees taken to a per capita measure? Especially for such a small country?
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Sep 13, 2016 16:56
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Cat Mattress posted:Brexit is taking too long, time for Hunxit. Same story ran in the local news and most comments were about pouring hate on tax evasionist luxembourg, completely eclipsed anything about bulgaria.
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Sep 13, 2016 17:23
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Nitrousoxide posted:Why would you compare absolute number of refugees taken to a per capita measure? Especially for such a small country? To be fair, Luxembourg did make a big contribution to solving the refugee crisis by accepting 84 of them in 2015
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Sep 13, 2016 17:37
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Trianon II might be a good compromise. Thanks!
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Sep 13, 2016 17:47
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Dawncloack posted:It must be my mistake, but I've been googling that and getting nowhere. Can you help? It's a joke. Hungary lost a lot of clay with the Treaty of Trianon, so the joke is to do that again instead of expelling Hungary from the EU.
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ReagaNOMNOMicks posted:Listen, kid. This is Europe. We're all pieces of poo poo here. Discussion > Debate & Discussion > European Politics - Listen kid, we're all pieces of poo poo here
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Sep 13, 2016 18:00
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Shazback posted:To be fair, Luxembourg did make a big contribution to solving the refugee crisis by accepting 84 of them in 2015 I don't think that's the right number for the whole year. This news article says Luxembourg was hosting close to 3,000 refugees and/or asylum applicants by the end of 2015 (another source saying the same thing in March 2016). I suspect that's above the the EU average by proportion.
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Sep 13, 2016 21:48
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Luxembourg has rejected something around 95% asylum requests in the past two years. Then again, I can't really complain since I live in one of the few countries with an even higher rejection rate.
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Sep 13, 2016 21:57
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How do you even satirize this? The richest country in the EU with one of the lowest numbers of refugees admitted accuses a pseudo-fascist country of being racist towards immigrants, how the gently caress am I supposed to turn that into a joke? As an anecdote, the last satirical magazine in Finland ceased production in 2000, with the editor-in-chief commenting that "in today's world, a magazine like Pahkasika is unnessary".
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Sep 13, 2016 22:04
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steinrokkan posted:Luxembourg has rejected something around 95% asylum requests in the past two years. Then again, I can't really complain since I live in one of the few countries with an even higher rejection rate. where is it?
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Sep 13, 2016 22:16
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I think he is unhappy with the overall Orban situation, with the attacks on freedom of press and the destruction of the rule if law. The iron curtain 2.0 is just the icing on the cake. As others have pointed out, there are eastern European countries in the EU that are just as hostile to refugees, but none of them poo poo over western values and principles of good governance like Orban does. (PiS is trying hard but is nowhere near as bad.)
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Sep 13, 2016 22:29
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Pluskut Tukker posted:I don't think that's the right number for the whole year. This news article says Luxembourg was hosting close to 3,000 refugees and/or asylum applicants by the end of 2015 (another source saying the same thing in March 2016). I suspect that's above the the EU average by proportion. UNHCR 2015 Mid-year trends : Luxembourg : 1 192 Refugees 831 Asylum seekers (pending cases) 81 Persons under UNHCR’s statelessness mandate 2 104 Total population of concern Hungary : 4 192 Refugees 24 431 Asylum seekers (pending cases) 128 Persons under UNHCR’s statelessness mandate 28 751 Total population of concern UNHCR 2014 Mid-year trends : Luxembourg : 1 032 Refugees 844 Asylum seekers (pending cases) 84 Persons under UNHCR’s statelessness mandate 1 960 Total population of concern Hungary : 2 693 Refugees 1 402 Asylum seekers (pending cases) 119 Persons under UNHCR’s statelessness mandate 4 124 Total population of concern Even if the figure today is 3 000 for Luxembourg, it's nowhere near the 24 000 extra people in one year that Hungary got, especially given that Luxembourg is so much richer than Hungary.
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Sep 13, 2016 22:31
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Kurtofan posted:where is it? The Czech Republic.
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Turns out I originally looked at final instance decision rates, which I guess only include appeals of first instance rejections. When we look at first instance asylum decisions, Luxembourg is actually even worse off, with only Poland and Hungary behind them as significant states. http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Asylum_statistics They still reject 80% applications. Bulgaria accepts 90%, and even my particular shithole only rejects around 65% steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Sep 13, 2016 |
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Sep 13, 2016 22:36
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Charlie Mopps posted:Wilders doesnt want to become prime minister, unless he gets 76+ seats and thus a majority. He hates having actual responsibility as it limits his ability to just say whatever he wants. And he is right, he doesnt need to govern to be wildly influential. Basically everything he proposes gets adopted by the conservatives of the VVD (i refuse to see them as liberals anymore) in a slightly toned-down fashion, and the other parties always talk about whatever is it that Wilders is focusing on. He is amazing at dominating the discourse of Dutch politics. This so much. The VVD has always been pro business, but they used to have a decent classical liberal wing and an active membership quite a bit left of their voters. I just don't see that anymore. They've been replaced with socially conservative lawyers jerking off to law and order. Some of Rutte's election promises are no doubt vote pandering that he will drop on day 1 if re-elected, but the poo poo he's saying used to be limited to fringe parties in the 90s. The VVD was doing great when the economy was crashing, they are doing good now that the economy is picking up. All the while moving ever further right. The fact that 30% of the electorate is so far on the right they have trouble choosing between PVV and VVD is a pretty huge change compared to even 10 years ago. On the other hand seeing PvdA at 6% warms my heart. RIP in piss labor party that betrayed everyone that ever voted for them. Good luck serving as a stepping stone for Shell executives now.
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Sep 14, 2016 00:35
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To be fair, does Luxemburg deserve anything less than the hate it gets? The freeriders of the Union.
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Sep 14, 2016 07:33
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Sep 14, 2016 07:41
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people complaining that luxembourg doesn't take any refugees are like people saying "if the pope likes refugees so much why isn't there a refugee camp in the vatican?!"
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Sep 14, 2016 08:02
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Shazback posted:Even if the figure today is 3 000 for Luxembourg, it's nowhere near the 24 000 extra people in one year that Hungary got, especially given that Luxembourg is so much richer than Hungary.
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Sep 14, 2016 08:21
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Kurtofan posted:people complaining that luxembourg doesn't take any refugees are like people saying "if the pope likes refugees so much why isn't there a refugee camp in the vatican?!" Luxemburg is less densely populated than both Germany and Italy and is one of the richest countries in the world. 
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Kurtofan posted:people complaining that luxembourg doesn't take any refugees are like people saying "if the pope likes refugees so much why isn't there a refugee camp in the vatican?!" I just hate them for the tax stuff. All the other things are just bonuses.
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AAPsel posted:On the other hand seeing PvdA at 6% warms my heart. RIP in piss labor party that betrayed everyone that ever voted for them. Good luck serving as a stepping stone for Shell executives now.
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Sep 14, 2016 09:38
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Kurtofan posted:"if the pope likes refugees so much why isn't there a refugee camp in the vatican?!" This but unironically.
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Sep 14, 2016 10:15
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The pope is already granting refuge to pedophiles and homosexuals. The bunks are simply full.
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Sep 14, 2016 10:34
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^^^ steinrokkan posted:The Czech Republic. Luckily, it's not like any refugees want to come here in the first place unless it's on the way to Berlin.
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Sep 14, 2016 10:47
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mobby_6kl posted:Luckily, it's not like any refugees want to come here in the first place unless it's on the way to Berlin. That's the most retarded argument I've ever heard (and yeah I know it gets said a lot in Czech to justify not taking in refugees). None of the refugees want to come here! That's why we have to reject e: apparently it's 65%, Luxembourg is the 80% Still it makes me really sad, Czech Republic has the most immigrants of all Eastern European countries (~400 000 in 2015) and when I was growing up there it used to be fairly cosmopolitan, up until the Syrian War really. I went to school (literally, albeit it was in one of the few bigger cities in the country) with refugees and children of refugees from Albania, (North) Vietnam, Syria and Afghanistan and they were never treated any different. Up until the last few years anyhow  - last I've spoken with the Syrian guy (he's fluent in Czech and works in graphical design) he now gets regular abuse and the Afghani girl had someone write to her university complaining about her masters thesis (words like "wahhabist" and "veils" were used).e2: There were several Armenians too, I almost forgot. One of them is now doing a masters at Sciences Po thanks to the EU 
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Sep 14, 2016 11:55
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Didn't realise we had multiple Czechs posting here. Since we do, what's the deal with "Czechia" - should we be using that instead of "The Czech Republic" or not?
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LemonDrizzle posted:Didn't realise we had multiple Czechs posting here. Since we do, what's the deal with "Czechia" - should we be using that instead of "The Czech Republic" or not? It's only an alternative name, not the only official one, or even the preferred one. As to where it comes from, they wanted to have an official abbreviated version to replace "the Czech", because Czech is strictly an adjective (as in even inside the country the usual abbreviation is ChR (čr)). The problem is that it has no real basis in Czech and most Czechs hate it a lot. Then again it's also really weird to hear people calling the country "Czech" at first and it took me a while to get used to it living in Britain. Now I see it as alright but /\  /\
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Sep 14, 2016 12:24
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LemonDrizzle posted:Didn't realise we had multiple Czechs posting here. Since we do, what's the deal with "Czechia" - should we be using that instead of "The Czech Republic" or not? Use whatever you want, the idea with Czechia is that it is less wordy than the Cz. R., and more accurate than Bohemia.
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Kurtofan posted:the Rep' You laugh but Czech people seriously use expressions like that (čr, republika, "repka", v té naší republice). And yeah the Pit is a way better name, you hear Czechs calling it one all the time too. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Sep 14, 2016 |
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Sep 14, 2016 12:36
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Anyway I don't see why the new refugees couldn't integrate just as well as the ones I know did, and sincerely hope that reason will prevail and Europe will eventually accept some level of migration as inevitable. Just to show that I'm not making any of this up, here's a Facebook post from the Afghani(-Czech) girl talking about that whole incident. Worth mentioning that the bigot signed himself as "name - Electrician" and the comments on the side are full of Czech people being nice, and, well, normal.  Rough translation: (It's not terribly well written in Czech either, racist rants are surprisingly hard to translate!) quote:xxxx - electrician Then there's her friends making fun of it on the side and such, and her saying she got an A and an offer to do a PhD in constitutional law. I'm not saying that all refugees will end up doing that or anything, but claiming that they are useless untermenshen that can't amount to anything is really not going to help. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Sep 14, 2016 |
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Sep 14, 2016 15:35
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I use Czechia because it's the better name. I went to wikipedia to see what they're doing there and the article's talk page is hilarious.
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MiddleOne posted:To be fair, does Luxemburg deserve anything less than the hate it gets? It's Europe. Everyone deserves all the hate they get. Kurtofan posted:people complaining that luxembourg doesn't take any refugees are like people saying "if the pope likes refugees so much why isn't there a refugee camp in the vatican?!" The Vatican did welcome a few refugee families though. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/25/what-happened-pope-francis-syrian-refugees-rescued-lesbos-vatican-rome With a population of about one thousand, the 11 refugees welcomed by the Pope represent about 1%. For comparison, Luxembourg has a population of 576 000, so the 3000 refugees of 0.5%. The Vatican therefore hosts twice as many refugees per capita as Luxembourg.
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The GDP per capita of the Vatican is like $308,000 though, if you count all their revenue from churches around the world that goes to them.
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