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e.pilot
Nov 20, 2011

sometimes maybe good
sometimes maybe shit

evil_bunnY posted:

That instructor is a loving madman

If you’ve never held it in ground effect and done a zoom climb on takeoff you’re missing out.

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bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!
It was a long-running joke back in my AF days that the most dangerous crew were 100% instructor/flight safety guys.

Arson Daily
Aug 11, 2003

2 or more chief pilots. Nothing more dangerous in the aviation world. Never go along on a new airplane delivery or the inaugural flight to someplace nice. It’s always chiefs.

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

e.pilot posted:

If you’ve never held it in ground effect and done a zoom climb on takeoff you’re missing out.
I've been in an extra, it didn't need no stinking ground effect. That guy was being way cavalier about the amount of turbulence imo

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

evil_bunnY posted:

I've been in an extra, it didn't need no stinking ground effect. That guy was being way cavalier about the amount of turbulence imo

I just want to point out that the instructor asked me if I wanted a gentle takeoff or a wild one. I chose the latter, in for a penny & all that :)

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Well, gentlemen, LOOK WHO IS LISTENING TO ME ON AIRSHIPS NOW

(As far as I can tell from the posted article, this is just something some graphic designer created...even though as part of its "humanity is obsolete" campaign, Amazon has a patent for this)

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

We've all seen countless hours of airplane docs and many have probably seen this as well. But since good ones seem to be far apart these days and I hadn't seen this exact one about sinking the Tirpitz before, I figured I'd link it in our little documentary watching, airplane chatting community. No fake drama or annoying production fluff, amazing first hand accounts, just proper quality through and through.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Exst44CyG0

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

Nebakenezzer posted:

Well, gentlemen, LOOK WHO IS LISTENING TO ME ON AIRSHIPS NOW

(As far as I can tell from the posted article, this is just something some graphic designer created...even though as part of its "humanity is obsolete" campaign, Amazon has a patent for this)

I cannot watch that gif without hearing The Imperial March.

Bobby Digital
Sep 4, 2009

CarForumPoster posted:

I cannot watch that gif without hearing The Imperial March.

https://twitter.com/DanRobitzski/status/1113107819799236609?s=20

vessbot
Jun 17, 2005
I don't like you because you're dangerous
Kinda goes good with that South Park with swelled brain psychokinetic Jeff Bezos

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012
Probation
Can't post for 4 hours!
The drones make me think of:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAhuSDRIDHE

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012
Probation
Can't post for 4 hours!


Pedestrians are shaking their heads.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
https://amp.wbur.org/hereandnow/2019/04/02/new-low-cost-carrier-xtra-airways

Ultra-low-cost airline spearheaded by a former United CFO. :ohdear:

Great name, too. "Oh, you wanted a seat back? That's XTRA."

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

BIG HEADLINE posted:

https://amp.wbur.org/hereandnow/2019/04/02/new-low-cost-carrier-xtra-airways

Ultra-low-cost airline spearheaded by a former United CFO. :ohdear:

Great name, too. "Oh, you wanted a seat back? That's XTRA."

United had too many frills and too few beatings of medical doctors. With XTRA you'll have XTRA people foribly removed to transport Crew. XTRA snobby crew and XTRA rear end in a top hat policies.

For real though I'm glad these horrible low priced airlines exist if only to keep the Alaskan/Delta/JetBlues of the world in a reasonable price range. gently caress actually flying on ULCCs.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012
Probation
Can't post for 4 hours!
XTRA is an airline doctors won’t be caught dead buying a ticket on.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Platystemon posted:

XTRA is an airline doctors won’t be caught dead buying a ticket on.

Some doctors can be surprisingly cheap depending on how they got through school and residency.

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

hobbesmaster posted:

Some doctors can be surprisingly cheap depending on how they got through school and residency.

My wife is a M.D. You are very wrong. Have to talk her out of Frontier.

StandardVC10
Feb 6, 2007

This avatar now 50% more dark mode compliant

BIG HEADLINE posted:

https://amp.wbur.org/hereandnow/2019/04/02/new-low-cost-carrier-xtra-airways

Ultra-low-cost airline spearheaded by a former United CFO. :ohdear:

Great name, too. "Oh, you wanted a seat back? That's XTRA."

Is that better or worse than their callsign, though? (Used to be "Casino Express," not sure if it still is.)

vessbot
Jun 17, 2005
I don't like you because you're dangerous

StandardVC10 posted:

"Casino Express,"

"...where every flight's a gamble!"

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

vessbot posted:

"...where every flight's a gamble!"

Not far off "We'll See": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvfYK0EEhK4

Spaced God
Feb 8, 2014

All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!



https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1113367009251790849
Jeeeez

eta
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1113367744861343744
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1113367925094744065

Spaced God fucked around with this message at 10:12 on Apr 3, 2019

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

Just need to install pop-down blockers

dubzee
Oct 23, 2008



CarForumPoster posted:

Just need to install pop-down blockers

:discourse:

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



CarForumPoster posted:

Just need to install pop-down blockers

:nsavince:

OddObserver
Apr 3, 2009
WSJ has a story claiming they initially went through the checklist:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ethiop...od=hp_lead_pos2

quote:

Pilots at the controls of the Boeing Co. 737 MAX that crashed in March in Ethiopia initially followed emergency procedures laid out by the plane maker but still failed to recover control of the jet, according to people briefed on the probe’s preliminary findings.

After turning off a flight-control system that was automatically pushing down the plane’s nose shortly after takeoff March 10, these people said, the crew couldn’t get the aircraft to climb and ended up turning it back on and relying on other steps before the final plunge killed all 157 people on board.

...

The pilots on Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 initially reacted to the emergency by shutting off power to electric motors driven by the automated system, these people said, but then appear to have re-engaged the system to cope with a persistent steep nose-down angle. It wasn’t immediately clear why the pilots turned the automated system back on instead of continuing to follow Boeing’s standard emergency checklist, but government and industry officials said the likely reason would have been because manual controls to raise the nose didn’t achieve the desired results.




(Quoting from summary(?) at https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ethiopian-airlines-pilots-initially-followed-boeings-emergency-steps-to-disable-737-max-system-2019-04-03 since I don't have a WSJ subscription)

Jealous Cow
Apr 4, 2002

by Fluffdaddy
What a loving tragedy. Between this and Boeing’s proposed fix seeming kinda sketchy, I’ll probably avoid these things for a few years.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Electric trim will kill us all.

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

Future us: "You shouldn't worry about airliner automation killing you. As a matter of fact, the autonomous car driving you to the airport is much more likely to kill you."

Jealous Cow
Apr 4, 2002

by Fluffdaddy
Give me my two place 27 rotor autonomous drone pod now please I swear I’ll check my houses METAR before telling it to take me to Krispy Kreme again.

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

Jealous Cow posted:

Give me my two place 27 rotor autonomous drone pod now please I swear I’ll check my houses METAR before telling it to take me to Krispy Kreme again.

Do you file Dunkin' Donuts as alternate?

Jealous Cow
Apr 4, 2002

by Fluffdaddy

Ola posted:

Do you file Dunkin' Donuts as alternate?

It’s autonomous why would I need an alternate? :colbert:

Plastic_Gargoyle
Aug 3, 2007

StandardVC10 posted:

Is that better or worse than their callsign, though? (Used to be "Casino Express," not sure if it still is.)

I was going to say, weren't old Xtra the guys who tanked a service from the Midwest to Myrtle Beach somehow

Plastic_Gargoyle
Aug 3, 2007

Joe Baugher posted:

Involved in take-off accident at Clark AB, Philippines. Although some reports stated that the aircraft was written off, it was repaired and resumed operations, but with a slightly twisted fuselage, resulting in the plane flying with perpetual yaw.

(RC-135M 62-4139)

Well that sounds, uh, fun?
Same source has it still active to this day, too.

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


that sounds like a plane with a lot of really expensive stuff in it, so good for them for saving the taxpayers a buck for once

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
All our planes fly with perpetual yaw. I tell my students, on the 172s that have rudder trim: "you know how the checklist says 'rudder trim set to takeoff'? Don't do that, the rudder trim is set full right for a good reason."

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

vessbot posted:

"...where every flight's a gamble!"

My favorite failed startup of all time is still Smokers Express, the airline that would give you free cigarettes and REAL STEAK. Or at least it would have if it ever got off the ground :rip:

I’m still not sure how they expected to get around the whole “smoking ban on domestic flights” thing

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Ola posted:

Do you file Dunkin' Donuts as alternate?

Things like this seemingly tiny question make me laugh when the 'flying car' is brought up by media/kickscammers. Humans are loving stupid with two dimensions, add the tiniest big of third dimension (Speedbump, 6foot10, pothole etc) without even leaving the ground we gently caress up.

Deptfordx
Dec 23, 2013

Luigi Thirty posted:

My favorite failed startup of all time is still Smokers Express, the airline that would give you free cigarettes and REAL STEAK. Or at least it would have if it ever got off the ground :rip:

I’m still not sure how they expected to get around the whole “smoking ban on domestic flights” thing

Before you took off an annoucement would say "Ok. Smoke 'em if you've got 'em. But everyone be cool about this. This is just us, nobody tells The Man we did this Ok? Ok then. Also, fasten your seatbelts".

stevobob
Nov 16, 2008

Alchemy - the study of how to turn LS1's into a 20B. :science:


PT6A posted:

All our planes fly with perpetual yaw. I tell my students, on the 172s that have rudder trim: "you know how the checklist says 'rudder trim set to takeoff'? Don't do that, the rudder trim is set full right for a good reason."

Is this compensating for engine torque?

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vessbot
Jun 17, 2005
I don't like you because you're dangerous

stevobob posted:

Is this compensating for engine torque?

Not exactly engine torque, but about half each of P-factor and spiraling slipsteam. They are yaw forces, countered by rudder and rudder trim.

Engine torque is a rolling force, countered by aileron and is too weak to notice in small piston trainers/sport planes.

Most of the time you hear about "torque" it's misapplied to the other 2 forces I mentioned. I'm phone posting but they're easy enough to Google.

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