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I always thought of the Equalist movement being more like the Boxer rebellion than the Chinese civil war.
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Y-Hat posted:Well la-di-friggin-da. From what I've heard, there were plenty of reasons to dislike Korra that weren't "this is displeasing to my identity politics." It's entirely fair to criticize a political message, especially when it's as dumb and overt and central to the show as it is in Korra, at least for the first season ElCondemn posted:I don't know much about Chinese history but it seemed to be mirroring the Chinese industrial age to me. The whole setting was the transition from feudal systems to more modern governments. I guess most of the storylines were about that transition and how different groups wanted to shape the country. SlothfulCobra posted:I always thought of the Equalist movement being more like the Boxer rebellion than the Chinese civil war. It doesn't really map to either of those things IMO because there's no corresponding colonialist pressure or inability of the government to reform itself. Republic City is doing absolutely fine by itself. It's literally just "radical politics bad". That's it. And again, it's not that that's an offensive message or a polarizing one or whatever, but it's boring and insipid icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 05:54 on Jun 29, 2015 |
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Jun 29, 2015 05:52
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icantfindaname posted:Republic City is doing absolutely fine by itself. It's literally just "radical politics bad". That's it. Actually it's "radical politics get you what you want".
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Jun 29, 2015 06:09
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computer parts posted:Actually it's "radical politics get you what you want". That may be what happened but I don't think that was the intended message.
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Jun 29, 2015 06:11
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yeah, why should anyone complain about a cartoon's politics literally being "there are a specific, minority group of elite people, a one percent if you will, who are naturally better than you just by virtue of their birth and if you push for equality for the common people you're in fact worse than them because of the methods you use revealing your hypocrisy" i mean i agree there's like a billion things i'd criticize in korra first but its specific insight and perspective is p insipid, inherently flawed, and charged within this political climate and it's pretty loltastic when you think about what it says about the rights or lack thereof of the common people again, i end up not giving a poo poo mostly because i ascribe its really bad, dumb idiot views to the people running the show being terrible storytellers over right-wing neocons or some poo poo, hanlon's razor and all that, i just think it's funny that it tries to literally put Anonymous/OWS in the show for, i dunno, cultural relevancy or something and didn't think through how to handle it or give its arguments respect at all it's like i imagine the pitch meeting for it was "but what if...benders were BAD???" "oh man, that's some good morally ambiguous poo poo right there dude, yeah put that poo poo in" "but they're good, right? i mean, our main character and basically everyone she associates with is a bender" "oh, yeah, totes, but wouldn't it be sweet as hell if we asked the question"
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ElCondemn posted:That may be what happened but I don't think that was the intended message. Authors' intentions are not very interesting.
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Jun 29, 2015 06:42
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computer parts posted:Authors' intentions are not very interesting. I don't understand what you're trying to say. Lots of things happened in the show, are you saying if it happened the lesson is that it was good and right?
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Jun 29, 2015 07:08
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He's arguing Death of the Author
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Toxxupation posted:He's arguing Death of the Author I'm not talking about the author, I'm talking about the work. The work did not indicate that revolution was good for republic city, just because it happened in the story doesn't make it a good thing for the story. The lesson the story is telling us wasn't "radical politics get you what you want", it was probably something to do with the fact that a bunch of racists were committing violent attacks against benders. Maybe something like "hating people for being different is bad" or something, it's a kids show. I wasn't a huge fan of the messages LoK had, but they certainly weren't telling us that being a violent radical extremist is the only way to get things done. ElCondemn fucked around with this message at 07:28 on Jun 29, 2015 |
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Jun 29, 2015 07:26
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ElCondemn posted:I'm not talking about the author, I'm talking about the work. The work did not indicate that revolution was good for republic city, just because it happened in the story doesn't make it a good thing for the story. The lesson the story is telling us wasn't "radical politics get you what you want", it was probably something to do with the fact that a bunch of racists were committing violent attacks against benders. Maybe something like "hating people for being different is bad" or something, it's a kids show. When I say radical politics get what you want, I mean in the MLK vs Malcolm X sense of "violent politics allows concessions to be wrung out of the ruling class". And that is exactly what happened.
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computer parts posted:When I say radical politics get what you want, I mean in the MLK vs Malcolm X sense of "violent politics allows concessions to be wrung out of the ruling class". And that is exactly what happened. That wasn't the message of the show.
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icantfindaname posted:It doesn't really map to either of those things IMO because there's no corresponding colonialist pressure or inability of the government to reform itself. Republic City is doing absolutely fine by itself. It's literally just "radical politics bad". That's it. And again, it's not that that's an offensive message or a polarizing one or whatever, but it's boring and insipid They were also angry because the city council were a bunch of patsies placed in power by the four nations. The council never showed any interest in fixing the socio-economic problems the city faced (if it was even possible at that time), and then the Water Tribe representative manipulated them into letting him seize even more power. That's why, at the end of season 1, they fired those dudes and held elections for a president.
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I rather liked Korra, but then I think a large chunk of what is making people unhappy about it is that it's not fitting within expectations. Aang was a rather unique protagonist for actually being properly pacifist, something you don't see too often nowadays and while it's understandable Korra going back to the typical action hero roots of punch now, ask questions later, retreading on a concept similar to Aang would have been a waste of time. Also, it wasn't like that's all there was to Korra. The first season in particular did a great job of foiling who she was, Korra knows she's basically superhuman compared to the rest of the world and revels in it, it only makes sense that her main issues revolve around being reduced to helpless as well as the unfair advantage she was born with. Also, the romance, while admittedly grating at times, didn't really bother me all that much, mostly because the characters were written their age: As teenagers and young adults. Famous ones in a time period with news coverage to boot, it only make sense that they acted like teenagers and steadily grow out of being, well, petty and melodramatic. It was really no different than the characters from the original series acting their age. As for the season villains, I'll be honest, out of all four, I liked Unalaq the most, followed by Amon, even if they didn't have morals you could necessarily argue for running behind them. The Avatar series is first and foremost a Wuxia series. When people think of Wuxia, they think of stylish and colorful characters that do kung fu and having a plot driven around that and the nice part about Amon and Unalaq, just like Ozai and Azula, was that they had flair. It's okay to have a villain is just that: an rear end in a top hat with issues. Petty revenge and "gently caress you, I want to be a god" works just fine for me. Zaheer and Kuvira brought their own their set of baggage to the table and for the better, they were all unique and served to help develop not just Korra but the entire cast in their own way. Not to say I don't think the series had issues, it had a few things that bothered me, the main of which was the ridiculous speed at which technology developed, but that's not a huge deal. But then again, it also has Varrik and Zhu Li, best characters in the series. Ramos fucked around with this message at 13:23 on Jun 29, 2015 |
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ElCondemn posted:I'm not talking about the author, I'm talking about the work. The work did not indicate that revolution was good for republic city, just because it happened in the story doesn't make it a good thing for the story. Right, so you're arguing Death of the Author.
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raditts posted:Right, so you're arguing Death of the Author. Moral of the story kids: Killing an entire nation of people will ultimately save the day.
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Jun 29, 2015 14:37
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ElCondemn posted:That wasn't the message of the show. If the message was "radical politics bad" then the side that primarily supported the radical politics wouldn't have been pandered to at the end.
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There's, literally, an entire thread where you can discuss Korra/Avatar until the world ends. After almost 2 pages, I'm ready to start talking about how the 20th anniversary of the Power Rangers movie is coming and how the new movie will be.
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Hey remember that gently caress awful grimdark power ranger spoof
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I never watched it because I got enough of that kind of poo poo back in the early 2000's newgrounds days.
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http://youtu.be/vw5vcUPyL90
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I had totally forgotten that they were rebooting MMPR as a movie; this is going to be terrible. Also, it makes me feel old that something from my childhood is getting this treatment, and I'm not even old. gently caress. At least they got the original Lord Zedd back...
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Jun 30, 2015 01:03
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To be fair it's not like Power Rangers was ever not sort of terrible so at least it's not like they're ruining anything.
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Jun 30, 2015 01:08
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So how does Uncle Grandpa do? Seems to be the weakest out of all of Cartoon Networks offerings but maybe the kids like it.
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Jun 30, 2015 01:10
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I'm not sure if this is more or less absurd than the Sonic fan movie.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I'm not sure if this is more or less absurd than the Sonic fan movie. It's by Joseph Kahn, the dude knows exactly what he's doing. He's the guy who gave us Torque, the movie where Adam Scott starts his car with a giant key. 
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Sleeveless posted:It's by Joseph Kahn, the dude knows exactly what he's doing. He's the guy who gave us Torque, the movie where Adam Scott starts his car with a giant key. Also a motorcycle fight for the honor of Pepsi and Mountain Dew.
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That Power Rangers short was fun for just an experiment but I certainly wouldn't want to see a full on movie/series like that (which isn't happening anyway.)
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Sleeveless posted:It's by Joseph Kahn, the dude knows exactly what he's doing. Yeah, dude even said in an interview he wouldn't actually want to do a full length Power Rangers movie like that IIRC. So it was stupid but kind of enjoyable so whatever.
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There is something off about the animation of the last Star vs. the Forces of Evil episodes but I can't put my finger on it.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I'm not sure if this is more or less absurd than the Sonic fan movie. I haven't seen this
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I like that they couldn't find a way to reinterpret Rita as anything other than a goofy, cackling witch.
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Jun 30, 2015 18:03
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You asked for this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtCtQpclpY8
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Jun 30, 2015 18:23
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Man, what is it about Sonic that generates this sort of fan.
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paradoxGentleman posted:Man, what is it about Sonic that generates this sort of fan. Its really loving bizarre. I was the right age for Sonic stuff when it first came out and nobody at school cared about that poo poo.
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SlothfulCobra posted:You asked for this. this is just completely unacceptable guys
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paradoxGentleman posted:There is something off about the animation of the last Star vs. the Forces of Evil episodes but I can't put my finger on it.
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Gaunab posted:So how does Uncle Grandpa do? Seems to be the weakest out of all of Cartoon Networks offerings but maybe the kids like it. It's grown on me to the point that I don't actively change the channel when its on. It feels like it could've done well on nickelodeon in the 90s. There was an episode Weird Al was in that surprised me. And the Andrew WK one. And the episode where pizza steve was ric flair.
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Shabadu posted:It's grown on me to the point that I don't actively change the channel when its on. It feels like it could've done well on nickelodeon in the 90s. There was an episode Weird Al was in that surprised me. And the Andrew WK one. And the episode where pizza steve was ric flair. Nah Pizza Steve just stole Ric Flair's hair and took over his pool.
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They had a Steven Universe crossover and I like that they actually made a joke about gemsonas.
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Yeah, Uncle Grandpa isn't amazing but it's gotten way better since the first few really terrible episodes. It has it's silly charm and Pizza Steve rules. Also, heads up, this week is a Gumball bomb or whatever so new Gumball every night this week.
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