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Who the gently caress has the attention span to watch anything longer than ten minutes anymore.
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Motto posted:So this is what it's like to watch other people on the internet get old. Seventeen year old me would have agreed with beatlegs verbatim but as an ostensible adult I find his viewpoint myopic. I think it's easier to believe that CNN is terrible because of lizard people from a lens of youthful idealism.
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Dec 29, 2015 08:54
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Do I want to know how the Tamir Rice ruling is being reported by the Rightists?
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Dec 29, 2015 09:03
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Really go an watch any season of MST3k and any notion that pop culture in the past was better should be discarded right away
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Dec 29, 2015 09:08
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I think it's fair to say popular culture has never been as heavily dominated by corporate properties as it is today, and also that that has probably actually improved the quality
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Dec 29, 2015 09:24
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On topic: The right wing media, that is to say all mass media is backed by the contention of corporate sponsorship. It exalts capitalism. The internet will not be freed until the nodes are unchained from the profit motive of capitalism. consumptura est opulenta
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Dec 29, 2015 09:55
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:Ancient Aliens belief is pretty heavily rooted in white supremacy. Von Daniken's writings, for instance, state that aliens first brought up black people from primates using genetic engineering, but deemed them a failure because they all they could do was jump around to drums and chuck spears. Then they made the people who became Middle Easterners, Asians and Native Americans from scratch, but while good, they weren't as good as what the aliens wanted. Then they tried again and made white people and they were finally happy with their work. His response to people calling it racism is just "Hey, I'm just telling people what the aliens thought, don't blame me for the aliens finding non-whites inferior". I can see how kooky theories like this would support a white supremacist in their belief, but these conspiracy theories aren't rooted in white supremacism per se. They're rooted in a really bad understanding of proper science and history that takes flights of fancy because some stuff can't be adequately explained with what we currently know.
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Dec 29, 2015 10:13
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the jizz taxi posted:I can see how kooky theories like this would support a white supremacist in their belief, but these conspiracy theories aren't rooted in white supremacism per se. They're rooted in a really bad understanding of proper science and history that takes flights of fancy because some stuff can't be adequately explained with what we currently know. No, most of them you can draw straight connections straight from white supremacist psuedo-historical and occultist theories about how impressive non-European sites must have been done by whites or by magic, to ancient aliens theories as open white supremacism became more and more distasteful in the public sphere. It's directly related to the idea that ancient non-whites were not capable of what whites were.
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Dec 29, 2015 13:35
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Lots of crazy theories about how Stonehenge was made by aliens tho
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Dec 29, 2015 13:40
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SnakePlissken posted:Well, the good news is we're going to make America great again! You got right in the middle of that one.
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Dec 29, 2015 13:55
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And other than Stonehenge? Stonehenge conspiracy theories also tend towards ancient magical whites using awesome new age druid powers. It's hardly rooted in the same "green man's burden" bullshit the other ancient aliens material is. Racists prefer to believe in space alien meddling over native South Americans figuring out that corn is good eating.
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Dec 29, 2015 14:03
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Samovar posted:Do I want to know how the Tamir Rice ruling is being reported by the Rightists? The only defenses I've seen have been along the lines of "he was pointing the gun at people so he was basically an active shooter and then didn't drop the gun when asked." So a combination of the police's original (and false) story and victim blaming. However it feels like there isn't as much this time so I'm hoping that the people the typically think these people caused their own murders aren't willing to defend this one which is outrageously blatant.
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Dec 29, 2015 14:12
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They're also ignoring the "stand around doing nothing while a child bleeds out" portion of the tape, which is more indefensible than the shooting IMO.
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Dec 29, 2015 14:20
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moths posted:They're also ignoring the "stand around doing nothing while a child bleeds out" portion of the tape, which is more indefensible than the shooting IMO. Also handcuffing his sister. The entire thing is absurd. I'm dreading what we're going to see in the next week if BLM starts protesting this one. The logic of the prosecutor is effectively "12 year old was big for his age and looked 15 and as we all know black teenagers can be misidentified as adults so the kid should have known this and not been outside where police could shoot him" and that guy was supposed to be on the side of the murdered victim. I can't see it not getting ugly.
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Dec 29, 2015 14:28
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*shoots a baby* "Hey now that baby was just a few years away from being a large toddler who looks like a 12 year old who might pass for a 15 year old who looks like an adult."
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Dec 29, 2015 14:46
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Radish posted:Also handcuffing his sister. The entire thing is absurd. I'm dreading what we're going to see in the next week if BLM starts protesting this one. Wait, that was the dude who was supposed to be defending Rice's murder? I thought that's what the cops' attorney was saying. Holy poo poo, as if there wasn't enough  to this shitshow already.
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Dec 29, 2015 15:27
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Mr Interweb posted:Wait, that was the dude who was supposed to be defending Rice's murder? I thought that's what the cops' attorney was saying. Holy poo poo, as if there wasn't enough I assume you mean prosecuting, but yeah, usually prosecutors try to at least pretend they aren't completely in bed with the cops.
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Dec 29, 2015 15:50
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Mr Interweb posted:Wait, that was the dude who was supposed to be defending Rice's murder? I thought that's what the cops' attorney was saying. Holy poo poo, as if there wasn't enough Yeah the prosecuting attorney was not even pretending to be handling this case in good faith. He's very publicly on the side of the police.
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Dec 29, 2015 15:57
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Mr Interweb posted:No, you're off base. The massive oversaturation of popular T.V. shows is strictly a post-2000 phenomenon. It absolutely is not. Nickelodeon was doing all day marathons of popular shows as far back as the mid-90s at the latest. And massively popular shows got massively rerun all the time on network TV and associated cable channels since the 80s too. icantfindaname posted:I think it's fair to say popular culture has never been as heavily dominated by corporate properties as it is today, and also that that has probably actually improved the quality Nah that's completely baseless. A more appropriate time for that would be somewhere between 1930 and 1970
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Dec 29, 2015 16:39
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fishmech posted:It absolutely is not. Nickelodeon was doing all day marathons of popular shows as far back as the mid-90s at the latest. And massively popular shows got massively rerun all the time on network TV and associated cable channels since the 80s too. All day marathons of popular shows have been around for basically ever. Can you blame cable for that? I mean, it makes sense to me. If I was a cable executive and it turned out that what millions of people wanted was to periodically rerun a show all day I'd be like "yeah let's do that." It's easy money; don't need to fund a new show and people will tune in. Especially when you have like 200 channels. Now thanks to the internet they don't even need to do that anymore. You want to binge watch shows? Netflix and Hulu have you covered.
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Dec 29, 2015 16:41
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moths posted:
No, there's a shitton of "Aliens built Stonehenge" material out there. ToxicSlurpee posted:Especially when you have like 200 channels. Now thanks to the internet they don't even need to do that anymore. You want to binge watch shows? Netflix and Hulu have you covered. Yeah, I think we're actually pretty close to a large decrease in the amount of reality TV and the like. The main reason it exists is that you need to fill time on a 24 hour network and it's the cheapest stuff available. With on-demand there's not an inherent demand for material to fill space, so you don't need to make a million types of reality shows. Some probably will still exist, but gameshows still exist too.
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Dec 29, 2015 17:30
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Gameshows own though.
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Dec 29, 2015 17:37
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Radish posted:Yeah the prosecuting attorney was not even pretending to be handling this case in good faith. He's very publicly on the side of the police. I can't think of the adjectives needed to describe that. Why was this put to a Grand Jury instead of a jury of peers?
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Dec 29, 2015 17:38
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The purpose of the Grand Jury is to decide if a prosecutor has enough of a case to bring it to a real trial. It's supposed to be a check on him but in reality it's painfully easy to get a Grand Jury to go the way a prosecutor wants it to. So you have these situations where they are used to tank a case since certain evidence isn't shown and experts are called in favor of the defendant; stuff that a prosecutor that wanted to indict would never do. It's a way for them to have their cake and eat it too where they can pretend they are doing their job but also getting the result they want without having to actually prosecute someone and avoiding a trial entirely. It's ridiculously corrupt but our system isn't really built to handle stuff like this where people are acting in bad faith but not provably so.
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Dec 29, 2015 17:42
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Radish posted:The purpose of the Grand Jury is to decide if a prosecutor has enough of a case to bring it to a real trial. It's supposed to be a check on him but in reality it's painfully easy to get a Grand Jury to go the way a prosecutor wants it to. So you have these situations where they are used to tank a case since certain evidence isn't shown and experts are called in favor of the defendant; stuff that a prosecutor that wanted to indict would never do. It's a way for them to have their cake and eat it too where they can pretend they are doing their job but also getting the result they want without having to actually prosecute someone and avoiding a trial entirely. You're assuming the system isn't built specifically to allow things like this, in which case it's working as intended.
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Dec 29, 2015 17:45
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On the topic of RWM, it's wild just how nakedly fascist Breitbart has become, and how much they're benefiting from it. They've managed to perfectly position themselves as the place to openly express racial and cultural grievance and their traffic is dramatically increasing. Their radio hosts are now proudly declaring themselves as nationalists. Right wing media has always been at least a little unhinged but Breitbart in the last year has been nudging up against an extremely dangerous line that none of the other outlets are willing to touch so brazenly, outside of outright white supremacy sites.
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Dec 29, 2015 17:56
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I'm curious if they could be criminally charged in letting him die, though. You could ignore the shooting as a separate, unimpeachable incident but go after the cops for failing to render aid to a shot child. It seems like you could build a depraved indifference case there. If you had a prosecutor who actually cared, I mean.
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Dec 29, 2015 18:03
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computer parts posted:Yeah, like (at least from an American perspective) there's very little in Europe that's really old and not sufficiently explained already (eg, a church is going to be built by Christians, not by ancient aliens). It is very telling that "Jesus was an alien" isn't a core (and most popular belief) of the ancient alien crowd. It crosses the line and would alienate the core demographic, even though ancient alienism is already pretty anti-christian. Epic High Five posted:Lots of crazy theories about how Stonehenge was made by aliens tho Well weren't the Irish and to some extent, the Scots not considered white for a long time? I could see how an ancient site attributed to the Celts might be hand waved away as magic or alien as a result if we go by the idea that a lot of ancient alienism is racist.
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Dec 29, 2015 18:12
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The Stonehenge theories tended to come well after the establishment of the Ancient Aliens idea in general. It's kind of like how Van Sertima existing doesn't mean hyperdiffusionism isn't based in white supremacy/Eurocentrism.
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Dec 29, 2015 18:46
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I thought about posting this last night, but thought against it. However, I think it's fairly entertaining and is on topic as anything else is in this thread.  https://twitter.com/voxdotcom/status/681560268619558912    
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Dec 29, 2015 19:05
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Motto posted:So this is what it's like to watch other people on the internet get old. True, but old people have perspective. If your formative years are spent in a poisonous culture it's understandable for you to think there's not that much wrong. Plus, there's some good shows on streaming services so chill gramps! I guess my point is, even though things aren't as bad as they could be, and things are getting better in some ways, we are currently regressing culturally and politically. That wasn't always the case
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Dec 29, 2015 19:37
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computer parts posted:Critical Thinking seems like it's the hardest thing in the world to define. watching or reading a thing, putting it in context with other things, then forming (hopefully independent) opinion or analysis of thing
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Dec 29, 2015 19:40
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Phone posted:I thought about posting this last night, but thought against it. However, I think it's fairly entertaining and is on topic as anything else is in this thread. Hahah. That's like a something that would have been incredible for a Clickhole post.
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beatlegs posted:True, but old people have perspective. If your formative years are spent in a poisonous culture it's understandable for you to think there's not that much wrong. Plus, there's some good shows on streaming services so chill gramps! Well your point is wrong at least as far as "culturally" goes, have fun with that.
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Dec 29, 2015 19:45
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Good Citizen posted:On the topic of RWM, it's wild just how nakedly fascist Breitbart has become, and how much they're benefiting from it. They've managed to perfectly position themselves as the place to openly express racial and cultural grievance and their traffic is dramatically increasing. Their radio hosts are now proudly declaring themselves as nationalists. There just seems to be a difference between breitbart and to an extent? The "traditional" right wing media. Like they make O'Reilly, Limbaugh and Beck seem down right liberal at times. BTW, is there anyway to troll and/or Fire Joe Morgan-style Milo, Crowder and the other idiots that act like they're the smartest people in the room? Would really like to see them get the "Gorgeous George" treatment if that'd be possible.. https://twitter.com/Nero/status/681868100795535361 Milo YiannopoulosVerified account @Nero The Beatles are the most overrated band in history. Terminally mediocre. The One Direction of their time without the sex appeal. @zregime What a loving twit. FuzzySkinner fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Dec 29, 2015 |
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Dec 29, 2015 19:47
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I feel like Breitbart and its ilk are pretty much trail blazing at this point. "Traditional" RWM will quickly follow suit unless we see a sudden implosion and backlash against tea party extremism. And I don't see that happening without an open revolt from "moderate" conservatives, especially ones in the media and in office. *Moderate in this case being less insane.
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ToastyPotato posted:I feel like Breitbart and its ilk are pretty much trail blazing at this point. "Traditional" RWM will quickly follow suit unless we see a sudden implosion and backlash against tea party extremism. And I don't see that happening without an open revolt from "moderate" conservatives, especially ones in the media and in office. Maybe some kinda hybrid-UK monster where young'ns and extremists get their version of the Daily Express, in Breitbart, where it's 'news' but also not tainted by neutral-librul language, and political correctness. Fox News will become the Daily Telegraph, deluded, but the base shifts to non-frothing conservatives. Traditional Liberal media will collapse as Huffington Post buys them all. VV The Beach Boys can hang with the best of 'em. Nonsense fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Dec 29, 2015 |
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Dec 29, 2015 19:54
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The Beatles are overrated and The Beach Boys were better gently caress with me
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Intel&Sebastian posted:The Beatles are overrated and The Beach Boys were better I like both though? The Beach Boys were tremendous.
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nachos posted:watching or reading a thing, putting it in context with other things, then forming (hopefully independent) opinion or analysis of thing So seeing black people rioting, putting it in context with other facts* about black people being feral, and then forming the opinion that black people are savages would be critical thinking. *Might be the truth, but not the whole truth.
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