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I've always wanted to play multiplayer but it's such a time commitment and I always assume everyone who plays multi plays like it's competitive starcraft. I've got over 1000 hours in this dumb game but I've never learned any sort of "good" strategies, I just kinda roleplay and do "national gardening". The idea of a game with a million weird little house rules and not even any AI's sounds like torture.
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Lately I've been playing mostly Remnants Rogue Servitors so I guess I'd be banned  It's really fun!
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Jun 1, 2022 01:03
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Dare the guy to go random and let chance decide your fate. Or make your house rule "everyone vs this guy but he gets x years of peace to prepare". If that doesn't work you may just need to drop him from the group - he's going to focus on min/maxing no matter what you do, so either you can have him do it to make a lovely situation viable, or you can get steamrolled by him and whoever else decides to roll along with him.
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Jun 1, 2022 02:21
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Charles 1998 posted:So I changed it to extermination and within a year 90 pop of xenos vanished. Was great. But then my friend and I couldn't do any diplomacy, because he was a xenophile! Took 120 years before we had positive relations again.
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Jun 1, 2022 02:33
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scaterry posted:Citizen Service is banned because you can use it to grant gestalts citizenship, iirc.
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Jun 1, 2022 02:36
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ShadowHawk posted:You can goose eachother's relations by giving a one-way favorable trade (up to +200 I think) and then doing the inverse. Yep, we had that. Being genocidal reduces your relations by 1000, and then only 1 point of that is removed per year.
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Jun 1, 2022 02:37
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Enjoy the border gore.
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Jun 1, 2022 02:38
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Relevant Tangent posted:If you join the GC and get the market, then leave the GC you keep the market, right? If so, do your own preferences wrt slavery take precedence over the GC's?
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Jun 1, 2022 02:46
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Charles 1998 posted:Enjoy the border gore.
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Jun 1, 2022 02:52
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Lum_ posted:- no total war origins (fanatic purifiers, etc.) is this because human vs human still can conduct diplomacy because they're not limited to the game options or just because total war from start is kinda OP in general? i'd want to make it work somehow since devouring swarm is just too drat fun
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Jun 1, 2022 03:47
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OP in general since total war CB doesn't require influence for claims.
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Jun 1, 2022 04:10
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The group I play with tends to pick a sci-fi franchise and you need to design something around that franchise and do some mild RP decisions in game to go with it. We can point out faults in each other’s logic when designing empires and push for a different idea. Thus far we’ve done Star Wars, Star Trek (x2, we had fun with that), and Warhammer (as various human groups). Dunno how we managed it, but the game recognized each human group as a human subspecies even though we had different traits and planet hab.
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Jun 1, 2022 05:31
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I can't tell if the war declaration UI is unintuitive or just truly abysmal. I vote to declare war and it just says the vote failed. Is there really no way to see who voted no?
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Jun 1, 2022 06:01
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HelloSailorSign posted:The group I play with tends to pick a sci-fi franchise and you need to design something around that franchise and do some mild RP decisions in game to go with it. We can point out faults in each other’s logic when designing empires and push for a different idea. It categorizes species by name and portrait family.
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Jun 1, 2022 06:18
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Antifa Spacemarine posted:I can't tell if the war declaration UI is unintuitive or just truly abysmal. I vote to declare war and it just says the vote failed. Is there really no way to see who voted no? You have to watch the vote screen to see. I've also seen where it's not that they vote no, it's that sometimes the AI doesn't vote at all and it times out. The only solution is to either get a bunch of vassals that all vote with you, or change voting to diplo weight, and make sure you have more.
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Jun 1, 2022 06:21
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Charles 1998 posted:Enjoy the border gore. Oh look, it's the HRE.
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Jun 1, 2022 08:12
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i played as a void dweller corp and i can't tell you - what to build in habitats - how many branch offices you should have (I assume "a lot", i had 40) - what's good in branch offices - how many systems you should go for - anything about ship design or fleet composition - are habitats more efficient for empire size than just colonizing big planets - is there a slave market (before i realized it existed 25 years before end of game) - is using ascension things worth it (also did not know they existed until around 20 years before end of game) - what to do with the galactic senate except be annoying with dark matter favor trading to ban everything the biggest ai empires were a hive mind, a gestalt, another gestalt, and the number one ranking power was a rival corporation. i won anyways after a long and proud history of capitulation, scraping, and untoward belligerence because 1. my immediate surrender to the Great Khan let me steal an l portal thus letting me acquire Gray and use him as a governor for a precursor ecumenopolis and occasional Gun, 2. random war i got dragged into across the galaxy got me +112 pops and a second ecumenopolis and a second mega starbase, 3. sniped the unbidden relic after the rest of the galaxy did all the work, and 4. and most importantly, every single vassal of the rival corp declared secret fealty to me so i stole all 4 of their vassals in a one sided war at 40 years til end of game and ended up paying half of them to not hate me in some twisted reverse mafia situation, which was okay as i had no game plan in mind to make up the huge point deficit otherwise i did notice the ai stayed on parity for the most part, until all the weight of my unearned galactic treasures pushed me into having an extremely powerful fleet (also helped by being invited into a federation, and i already had two vassals so they joined and let me then vote the founder out so i could fill the federation fleet up with nothing but titans). i did basically nothing the entire game and had 2x the score of the second place empire so i have to conclude im really good, just, pure aces at this game
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Jun 1, 2022 09:55
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Tiler Kiwi posted:i played as a void dweller corp and i can't tell you From my own experience: merchant spam is great for void dwellers You want at least 2 alloy habitats really early if you don't have good planets I build alloy producers first and then replace them into naval cap later As many as you can get without making defense a pain, the compactness of void dwellers is one of the biggest advantages Ship design has nothing to do with void dwellers but Neutron Launchers all the way habits are actually terrible for empire size, especially as corps where you can't get imperial perogative there is a slave market once you create the galactic market ascension tiers are basically worthless for habitats
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Jun 1, 2022 10:15
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empire size, and every single thing like it I've seen in every game, always seems to end up being a really clunky and restrictive mechanic that rewards some particular brand of neurotic optimisation style gameplay. i wanted to just spam habitats but came to figure that was just extremely suboptimal or something, i really couldn't be bothered to sit down and run the numbers to find the point where RoI became negative or something and yeah i just meant ship designer in general, i think I've bothered messing with the thing like twice in all my runs of this game. you never seem to have enough info to make informed decisions unless you want to spend a lot of time looking up junk on wikis before just throwing up your hands and doing The Most Optimal Thing e: looking it up i think i accidentally did merchant spam, basically every habitat i had was trade or tech focused and i got that one ascension tree for merchants way later than optimal but it was like number four or five Tiler Kiwi fucked around with this message at 10:34 on Jun 1, 2022 |
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Jun 1, 2022 10:26
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Tiler Kiwi posted:empire size, and every single thing like it I've seen in every game, always seems to end up being a really clunky and restrictive mechanic that rewards some particular brand of neurotic optimisation style gameplay. i wanted to just spam habitats but came to figure that was just extremely suboptimal or something, i really couldn't be bothered to sit down and run the numbers to find the point where RoI became negative or something The thing you need to know is that ship design doesn't really matter except for the auto design is trash and you should just stack one thing on it as much as you can. A thing that is not point defense.
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Jun 1, 2022 10:31
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Anno posted:Lately I've been playing mostly Remnants Rogue Servitors so I guess I'd be banned This is currently my favourite build in the game and it is extremely silly
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Jun 1, 2022 10:32
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i remember actually doing that once, but that was against an awoken empire that spammed the poo poo out of escorts. i think it worked but it was probably loading everything else up with torpedoes that did it more
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Jun 1, 2022 10:34
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Yami Fenrir posted:The thing you need to know is that ship design doesn't really matter except for the auto design is trash and you should just stack one thing on it as much as you can. A thing that is not point defense. Wait, really? I kinda assumed I should have a balance of energy/kinetic/missile weapons unless I'm fighting like, the Unbidden or Prethoryn or whatever
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Jun 1, 2022 12:10
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boloney posted:Wait, really? I kinda assumed I should have a balance of energy/kinetic/missile weapons unless I'm fighting like, the Unbidden or Prethoryn or whatever It's not really necessary against the AI. There it's far more important to just have bigger numbers.
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Jun 1, 2022 12:16
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boloney posted:Wait, really? I kinda assumed I should have a balance of energy/kinetic/missile weapons unless I'm fighting like, the Unbidden or Prethoryn or whatever There's a lot of different theories about this sort of thing, but there's some overriding influences to consider: Missiles don't play well with most other weapons because of their ignore shield effect. Range and Hull damage are critical values for attacking ships quickly and finishing them off before they flee. Research limitations encourage focusing on a single component. As a result, pairing a Mega Cannon with Neutron Launchers tends to be the basis of good battleship design. Personally I tend to find it a bit boring to write off entire tech lines, so I usually will still find a role for Missiles and Kinetics, but it certainly is an effective strategy. https://youtu.be/NJZbHQyuT1E
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Jun 1, 2022 12:37
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Sometimes I get lazy and put Disruptors/Cloud Lightning/Arc Emitters on everything.
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Jun 1, 2022 12:55
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Kaal posted:There's a lot of different theories about this sort of thing, but there's some overriding influences to consider: Missiles don't play well with most other weapons because of their ignore shield effect. Range and Hull damage are critical values for attacking ships quickly and finishing them off before they flee. Research limitations encourage focusing on a single component. yeah, considering how much of an average ship's health is hull & armor this the 'ol kinetic big gun + neutrons has always felt like the most effective 'generic' design, sometimes i put an a kinetic battery on the single slot aft section tho, and if i do that i'm not even sure you need the mega cannon and can just use a particle lance since that can vaporize most small ships in one hit anyway
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Jun 1, 2022 12:57
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Horace Kinch posted:Sometimes I get lazy and put Disruptors/Cloud Lightning/Arc Emitters on everything. This is often optimal once you get a good number of energy weapon repeatables anyways. It does make your fleet power number look smaller than it is though, which can be a mixed blessing.
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Jun 1, 2022 13:12
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I usually just stack a particle lance and neutron launchers in the late game so I can just have everything benefiting from the same repeatables. I am also extremely lazy.
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i use the lightning whip things because I can or Kinetics occasionally I do a missile spam, just all the missiles I can shove into a fleet not like the AI is gud
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Jun 1, 2022 14:38
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Horace Kinch posted:Sometimes I get lazy and put Disruptors/Cloud Lightning/Arc Emitters on everything. It definitely isn't as strong when you first unlock it, but I do love the Sith Lord School of Military Theory. Just zooming through space making zap noises and evaporating everyone with your space lightning.
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Jun 1, 2022 14:38
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Charles 1998 posted:Enjoy the border gore. My eyes!
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Thanks for the clarification on weapons. Is the 'meta' the way it is simply because the AI pretty much only builds battleships in the lategame?
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Jun 1, 2022 14:48
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boloney posted:Thanks for the clarification on weapons. Is the 'meta' the way it is simply because the AI pretty much only builds battleships in the lategame? ai builds a lot of very mixed hull size fleets but is bad at outfitting so you face an inefficient hodgepodge of weapon types
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Jun 1, 2022 14:51
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Sloober posted:ai builds a lot of very mixed hull size fleets but is bad at outfitting so you face an inefficient hodgepodge of weapon types Energy weapons and disruptors mix, what could go wrong???
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needs more point defense
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Wilekat posted:This is currently my favourite build in the game and it is extremely silly How so?
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Tiler Kiwi posted:empire size, and every single thing like it I've seen in every game, always seems to end up being a really clunky and restrictive mechanic that rewards some particular brand of neurotic optimisation style gameplay. i wanted to just spam habitats but came to figure that was just extremely suboptimal or something, i really couldn't be bothered to sit down and run the numbers to find the point where RoI became negative or something If you're choosing /between/ and habitat or a new planet (assuming you have a species happy to live on the new planet) then obviously go for the planet, or if you're choosing between building a new habitat and spending all those alloys on something else then it may not be worth the opportunity cost to build that habitat /right now/, but empire size is not harsh enough to prevent n+1 habitats being a net gain. e: unless you're running a really gimmicky edge case research/unity build or something Splicer fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Jun 1, 2022 |
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boloney posted:Thanks for the clarification on weapons. Is the 'meta' the way it is simply because the AI pretty much only builds battleships in the lategame? Actually the AI builds a wide variety of ship types. Mixing in a small number of carriers into your fleets can be a good idea, particularly if the enemy is fielding lots of corvettes.
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boloney posted:Thanks for the clarification on weapons. Is the 'meta' the way it is simply because the AI pretty much only builds battleships in the lategame? It's mostly because battleships can punch way above their weight with spinal-mounted guns, and endgame weapons all do bonus damage to hulls. You want just enough Kinetic Damage to erase Shields and then energy weapons do the cleanup.
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