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Nechronic posted:I'm hoping that everything will work out during a battle between Celia and the IFCC's legal team over some sort of loophole. ...I hadn't thought of this possibility to the situation, but now it's the only resolution that I want to see.
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rotinaj posted:Uh... It says right in the comic "not even with wish or limited wish".
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Mar 4, 2009 21:57
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rotinaj posted:Uh... Duplicating a Resurrection spell means using the Wish to duplicate Divine Magic-- namely, duplicating a Resurrection spell. This is expressly forbidden within the confines of the soul meld.
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Mar 4, 2009 22:54
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Then I suppose I'm wrong. With the right DM, a hell of an argument could be made.
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I got the impression that "no ressurection" clause bit was put in so that he couldn't just ressurect Roy quickly, as that would nullify Haley's current plot completely.
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rotinaj posted:Then I suppose I'm wrong. With the right DM, a hell of an argument could be made. How exactly do you argue against "You won't be able to duplicate any divine magic, not even with wish or limited wish. It's part of our non-compete clause with the evil gods"?? The DM has spelled it out as plainly as possible including known exceptions. "Specific beats General" in this case would mean that since the Soul Splice specifically spells out the restraints it places on Wish you have to honor it. And given the flavor text we know why it's not allowed. If you tried to argue it with the DM he'd just tell you that the Evil Gods want to have a word with you.
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HKR posted:That being said, it took over ten minutes to figure out that I was wrong. Rich really needs to just kill his forums, which are a vast wasteland of vapid D&D nerd circle-jerking. They've also said that the forums are to blame for the server taking a poo poo any time there's an update Amused Frog posted:I got the impression that "no ressurection" clause bit was put in so that he couldn't just ressurect Roy quickly, as that would nullify Haley's current plot completely.
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yeah, but V hates Elan and Durkon right now. And with three evil mages whispering in her ear she's probably just as likely to kill them as to join up with them. Saying V has complete control right now is probably like saying that a drunk has complete control. V is entirely responsible for for his actions but he's still under some sort of influence.
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rotinaj posted:Uh... Yeah, I'm sure never being able to see his mate and children is gonna just be a "Eh. Whatever." moment...
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Maldraedior posted:Holy crap it just occured to me that V could go grab the rest of the party and get everyone back together so we can have some semblance of the old chemistry back some time this century He could just as easily blast Xykon and his entire army into goo and remove any need to put the party back together. The splice is going to end once he's done whatever he's going to do about the dragon and his family.
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Mar 5, 2009 09:26
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Ok while he can't replicated Divine magic, couldn't V planeshift to the lawful good celestial realms or whatever and GRAB Roy and just take him back? Or would that just shift his soul to the material realm or something? I just want him to rez Roy and greater teleport everyone together and basically go "Ok enough loving around, time to get on with our task"
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Yea, dragging Roy back to the Material plane wouldn't fix the problem, because it wouldn't restore his body. I think that he can actually accomplish that on his own (its what he's been doing the whole time he's floating around).
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DoctorTristan posted:He could just as easily blast Xykon and his entire army into goo and remove any need to put the party back together. The splice is going to end once he's done whatever he's going to do about the dragon and his family. This. There's a lot of things V could do with that kind of arbitrary power, but this is about him and his family. He won't use the soul splice for anything beyond this encounter.
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bison wings posted:How exactly do you argue against "You won't be able to duplicate any divine magic, not even with wish or limited wish. It's part of our non-compete clause with the evil gods"?? Wish is theoretically the most powerful Arcane spell there is. It is supposed to be as powerful as, but not the same as divine spells like True Resurrection. It says that it duplicates Res, not that it allows the caster to use True Res. I would then color this argument by saying that I would only intend to use it on my family, if I was playing V. Depending on the DM, I could either get away with it and be able to bring them back if I managed to kill the dragon before the Soul Binds went off, or the DM would shut me down and say no. I'm not entirely sure what kind of DM Burlew would be, so I don't know which he would do.
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They explicitly stated that he cannot replicate Divine Magic. Bring people back to life, as laid out in the spell description, is a duplication of the divine spell Resurrection. Bringing people back to life is a clearly delineated function of Divine Magic, as it consists of reaching into the realm of a God and allowing the spirit a conduit to his newly revivified body. Wish is the most powerful arcane spell there is, but his access to it is being granted with very specific restrictions. He can't cast Wish normally, so his only way to use it is the way in which it is grated-- without a provision for Divine Magic. It can't be any more explicit.
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But but there's a sentence in this obscure book with a sentence that could be read as arcane magic being able to resurrect people but only if you take it in conjunction with another sentence in this book over here. God drat, some of you rules lawyer this up worse then Brian from KotDT.
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HKR posted:But but there's a sentence in this obscure book with a sentence that could be read as arcane magic being able to resurrect people but only if you take it in conjunction with another sentence in this book over here. Man I thought I was bad in the 40k thread but jeez the ability is pretty explicit in this case.
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Shavnir posted:Man I thought I was bad in the 40k thread but jeez the ability is pretty explicit in this case. I haven't posted much in the 40k thread recently because holy gently caress it's getting as bad as warseer.
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HKR posted:But but there's a sentence in this obscure book with a sentence that could be read as arcane magic being able to resurrect people but only if you take it in conjunction with another sentence in this book over here. Uh. Actually, it was out of the Player's Handbook. It was a wording question, not me trying to crossreference the drat thing to death. Go gently caress yourself and your pompousness. I already said I was wrong, but if I really wanted to try and get this one past the DM, this was how I would argue it. I probably wouldn't argue it, but someone asked how, so I answered. I'm wrong. I understand this. Get off my back, you fuckfaces.
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Shavnir posted:Man I thought I was bad in the 40k thread but jeez the ability is pretty explicit in this case. Yeah, this is pretty much the point at which any decent GM would threaten a painful death for V if further rules lawyering was attempted by his/her player. Or maybe that's just what I'd do.
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Technogeek posted:Yeah, this is pretty much the point at which any decent GM would threaten a painful death for V if further rules lawyering was attempted by his/her player. We had zero tolerance for this kind of bullshit in my group back in high school. I can't imagine anyone actually putting up with this.
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Cabbit posted:Bringing people back to life is a clearly delineated function of Divine Magic, as it consists of reaching into the realm of a God and allowing the spirit a conduit to his newly revivified body. If v had access to a cubic inch of his flesh & 2d4 months, 8th level wizard spell Clone would do the trick. annatar fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Mar 6, 2009 |
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oobey posted:This. There's a lot of things V could do with that kind of arbitrary power, but this is about him and his family. He won't use the soul splice for anything beyond this encounter. I doubt he would voluntarily give up the huge amount of power he has. He's become pretty power-hungry as of late, and he's not exactly thinking rationally right now.
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Soooo... do I  too much, or am I just lucky? Click here for the full 707x933 image. ...aw, hell. V's family ain't faring too well. And how the hell does a colossal dragon actually pin an elf to a tree? LuchadoresDelNixon fucked around with this message at 08:56 on Mar 11, 2009 |
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Mar 11, 2009 08:53
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What are the odds that V is bright enough to immediately end the Soul Splice, thereby minimizing demonic access?
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Mar 11, 2009 09:02
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Sooo, will this whole Soul Splice thing affect V's alignment?
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tazman posted:Sooo, will this whole Soul Splice thing affect V's alignment? I think that really depends on if V can still recognize the emotions of love and affection while 3 extra souls inhabit her. She might decide they are "useless". I might just be ready for the absolute worst to happen, though.
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Impressive, disjunction also removes houses.
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kujeger posted:Impressive, disjunction also removes houses. Nah, that was the anti-magic field. It was a magic house.
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kujeger posted:Impressive, disjunction also removes houses. Haha, hadn't noticed that. The dragon is standing where the house used to be. quote:And how the hell does a colossal dragon actually pin an elf to a tree?
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Uh, isn't quickened disintegrate a level 10?
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terminal mehmet posted:Uh, isn't quickened disintegrate a level 10? What of it? E: Are you getting at the idea that he shouldn't have access to spell slots that high? Look at it this way. V is operating on V's caster levels, plus those of the three souls spliced with his. Let's be conservative and say that those uber-powerful casters were 15th level each; that means that V is currently somewhere around a 60th level caster. V presently makes Elminster look like a pussy. There are probably gods who are less powerful than V is right now. Pope Guilty fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Mar 11, 2009 |
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terminal mehmet posted:Uh, isn't quickened disintegrate a level 10? Did you catch the part where V entered into a demonic pact for untold arcane powers?
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oobey posted:Did you catch the part where V entered into a demonic pact for untold arcane powers? Yes. I just wanted to make sure. That opens up a whole crazy range of possibilities.
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I forget, what does quickened disintegrate do?
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Halloween Jack posted:I forget, what does quickened disintegrate do? Not much, disintegrate as a free action, but it implies that now V shits power, because of the caster level he would have to be to access it.
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Halloween Jack posted:I forget, what does quickened disintegrate do? Casts really fast, and disintegrates the target. The "Quicken Spell" feat makes a 1 standard action spell (disintegrate) into a free action. He did it so the dragon wouldn't get another turn before he could kill it.
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terminal mehmet posted:Uh, isn't quickened disintegrate a level 10? Epic feats let you add level 10, 11, etc. spell slots to your list. Quickened disintegrate is one of my favorite uses of a level 10 slot, so I'm happy to see it getting play. 
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Disintegrate is sorta a quick death, isn't it? Maybe V's banking that the dragon will survive it.tazman posted:Sooo, will this whole Soul Splice thing affect V's alignment?
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CapnAndy posted:Disintegrate is sorta a quick death, isn't it? Maybe V's banking that the dragon will survive it. Its kid survived it, sort of. "The wheels on the bus" and all that. Besides, I want to see more impressive banter and explosions before this fight ends.
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