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Flameingblack posted:Well yeah, but only in WCW when the Hardcore Matches were fun to watch. Screamin' Norman was great. Back when I'd flip between Nitro and Raw, the one thing that would ALWAYS keep me tuned to Nitro was the promise of a Mexican Deathmatch. Because who doesn't want to see Super Calo and Silver King whaling on each other, stiff as gently caress, with 2x4s.
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coconono posted:
Then what do you call the Junkyard Invitational?
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The WCW 'hardcore' matches weren't really hardcore matches they were more comedy matches with lots of plunder. They weren't trying to maim or hurt the other guy, just hit them with as much stuff in the allotted time.
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Flameingblack posted:Psicosis, Randy Savage, and Raven. I'll always remember his hardcore match with Terry Funk
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coconono posted:
Plunder matches are so great though. So many great ones to chose from.
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triplexpac posted:I'll always remember his hardcore match with Terry Funk The best late era Terry Funk hardcore match is when he does not take any poo poo from a horse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyzGt8tPFaM
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bobkatt013 posted:Then what do you call the Junkyard Invitational? A great idea, terrible production, horrific consequences.
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bobkatt013 posted:The best late era Terry Funk hardcore match is when he does not take any poo poo from a horse. I so wish Funk had gone over to that horse and given it a piledriver. EDIT - Whenever I'm laying on the couch or in bed reading my Kindle and start laughing uncontrollably my wife always says "Are you reading that WCW book AGAIN?" I think I've read it 5 times over the last 2 years. I can't wait for the updated version. ColonelJohnMatrix fucked around with this message at 15:14 on Mar 22, 2013 |
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ColonelJohnMatrix posted:I so wish Funk had gone over to that horse and given it a piledriver. The section trying to explain the Flair/Piper feud reduces me to tears laughing every time. There's no way ANYONE could have thought that plot made sense at all.
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ColonelJohnMatrix posted:EDIT - Whenever I'm laying on the couch or in bed reading my Kindle and start laughing uncontrollably my wife always says "Are you reading that WCW book AGAIN?" Yeah I've been wanting to re-read it, but hearing about the updated version is making me hold off.
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ColonelJohnMatrix posted:EDIT - Whenever I'm laying on the couch or in bed reading my Kindle and start laughing uncontrollably my wife always says "Are you reading that WCW book AGAIN?" I'm the same. Whenever I reach the part about the Ultimate Warrior hugging a blow up doll & the general insanity of that angle, I just lose it completely.
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I read it for the first time recently and what stood out to me was the decision to put Juventud Guerrera on commentary despite the fact he didn't speak english.
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Domalom posted:I read it for the first time recently and what stood out to me was the decision to put Juventud Guerrera on commentary despite the fact he didn't speak english. He was also a crazy drug addict. That trip down under sounds like one of the craziest goddamn things in the world. Yet putting Stevie Ray on commentary was a genius idea.
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When is the new edition supposed to come out? I've never actually read it at all but I could use some reading material come June.
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That book is the greatest bathroom reader ever. Opening it up to any random page always brings good times.
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The time that Juventud excitedly exclaimed "Lex Luger, he got the juice!" on Thunder was hilarious.
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Everything about that book is loving hilarious. Youtube and this thread are a fantastic compendium to the book, as you can find out further details of anything in it. I'd have to say it's my favorite wrestling book of all time. While Bret's book is probably the best with substance, I don't always want to get soul crushingly depressed when reading a book. Death of WCW is the perfect light read and always makes me laugh. Even after reading it 5 times I can't wait to pour through it again.
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ColonelJohnMatrix posted:Everything about that book is loving hilarious. Youtube and this thread are a fantastic compendium to the book, as you can find out further details of anything in it. I'd have to say it's my favorite wrestling book of all time. While Bret's book is probably the best with substance, I don't always want to get soul crushingly depressed when reading a book. Death of WCW is the perfect light read and always makes me laugh. The only problem with it is that it was co written by RD Reynolds. He was not needed and his attempts at humor just do not work when you have wcw doing the work for you.
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Require More Fire posted:When is the new edition supposed to come out? I've never actually read it at all but I could use some reading material come June. I think next year was the target goal.
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So I just saw this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HY_intJPQ4 Nash in a Gaunlet match against the New Blood on Nitro. He just runs through like a 1/4 of roster. 
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Sean Archer posted:So I just saw this: Ah yes, the infamous match where pinfalls are counted when Nash knocks you down. I also love Schiavone's overexcited GOODNIIIIGHHTTT!!! Daniel Bryan fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Mar 22, 2013 |
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I completely forgot that Russo stole the Iron Man riff from the Road Warriors for his entrance music until just now.
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Sean Archer posted:So I just saw this: Another thing that stood out from the book was that the roster was apparently 260 people at one point. Like Lanny Poffo was paid $150,000 a year and never wrestled once. And until 2000 they were buying airline tickets for wrestlers out to arenas even if they didn't have a match or any plans for them.
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jeffersonlives posted:I completely forgot that Russo stole the Iron Man riff from the Road Warriors for his entrance music until just now. And then does nothing with it. It doesn't sound anything like the rest of his music at all
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bobkatt013 posted:The only problem with it is that it was co written by RD Reynolds. He was not needed and his attempts at humor just do not work when you have wcw doing the work for you. He's such an unfunny sack of poo poo. Especially when you compare his contributions to the parts of the book where all that's needed is "Everything you're about to read is true and aired on television to be viewed by millions of people" followed by several pages of lunacy.
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mactheknife posted:I just read the entire book in Alvarez's voice. That's what I've always done. I was blissfully ignorant and thought Bryan wrote most of it!
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Tomorrow night there will be another Tuesday Nitro at 8 PM. This week we're doing a TRIPLE HEADER!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's two Nitros and a special non-WCW third hour. Want to know what the special third hour is? You'll have to read some back issue quotes first. From the 1/23/96 Wrestling Observer:quote:In an example of how booking philosophy in pro wrestling has changed in recent years from the 70s to booking to placate egos rather than to maximize one match, Savage, who put up an incredible fit after being booked by Ric Flair to put him over last June despite Flair using a gimmick in the finish, lost via submission once again to Lex Luger on Nitro. Flair, who never wins against top level guys, got a pin victory over Sting (although tainted by interference of Luger, but Flair doesn't like to win clean over almost anyone anyway). In the 70s, this would lead to Flair vs. Luger. But in the 90s, it leads to Flair losing the title to Savage, as since Savage is getting the strap, he'd be in the mood where he'll put someone over on the way. Flair, who almost never gets to win, is given the win over Sting as a consolation prize for having the title taken from him. And the match is hyped for 1/22 when the switch was initially planned to take place. The title may not change hands that night and it may be moved to the February PPV, and after all this is printed, WCW could conceivably change plans again. quote:WCW has cut way back on budget for jobber expenses at the next Orlando tapings, so they will be using far more local guys and giving them hoods to make them appear to be different characters as they work more often. quote:Mike Tenay is supposed to be doing the announcing during the Clash for the Konnan vs. Psicosis match. After all the panic about wanting Konnan to send video of himself and Psicosis (like they don't already own footage from a PPV show they did themselves but I'll bet nobody even thought of that) and it being sent, you've seen what a great job they've done of getting them over. The initial crowd response to Public Enemy (when all but a small percentage, most at ringside, had any idea who they were) may be even worse for those two in Las Vegas. quote:On WCW Saturday Night, Mike Ditka said he'd manage Steve McMichael when he leaves broadcasting and starts wrestling as if it were fact. Naturally on Monday, the idea McMichael would become a wrestler wasn't mentioned. quote:Monday Night Raw results from the Knight Center in Miami on 1/15 before 4,200 fans (3,100 paying $30,000) saw Lex Luger beat Randy Savage with the torture rack in 5:09 (*1/2). A lot of crowd heat, with most cheering Luger. Neither looked very good in the ring, tho. Next was supposed to be Kevin Sullivan & Hugh Morris vs. Arn Anderson & Brian Pillman. However, the entire Dungeon of Doom and Four Horsemen came out and said they all had a common plan and it served no purpose to fight among themselves. Kevin Sullivan said he respected Ric Flair and Arn Anderson, but called Brian Pillman a punk. Pillman made some faces and Anderson slapped Pillman in the face really hard and they seemed to tease that Chris Benoit was mad at Anderson when he slapped Pillman. There is already talk of breaking up the Horsemen. Not that they were ever together to begin with. It was a great skit, but the lone negative was by having Giant out there with Gang, it exposed that Giant isn't nearly as large as they make him out to be because he only had a few inches on Gang. Whatever problems Bischoff had which caused him to nearly fire Pillman on the air the previous week seem to have been worked out. Public Enemy debuted and beat American Males in 3:24 when Johnny Grunge pinned Marcus Bagwell (-*). A few fans recognized PE and danced with them and there was a very brief "ECW" chant during the match that almost immediately died out. Match had no heat and virtually everything in the match was mistimed. The only highlight was after the match when Rocco Rock did a somersault off the top rope outside the ring and put Bagwell through two tables which got a nice pop. In the poll, PE got more first place votes than any other team for Tag team of the year. The Males placed for worst tag team. And the Males are tons better workers than PE. Flair pinned Sting in 13:35 when Luger came out to confront Jimmy Hart, got the megaphone from him, and inadvertently as Sting came in for the Stinger splash, Sting hit the megaphone and was KO'd and pinned (***1/2). Very good match, very good heat, very clever finish, but you know the other end of the coin. It's the same stuff we've seen a million times. Hogan, Savage & Sting did an interview with Hogan & Savage telling Sting that Luger cost him the match. Sting left to ask Luger, and then Hogan asked Savage to give up his title match since he lost four in a row to Luger and he was in a slump and Hogan was on a roll. They ended up arguing. This has probably changed (or if not changed, somewhat reworked) but there at one point was a plan for a Hogan-Savage break-up at the Clash in Las Vegas. Hogan then pinned Meng in 4:38 after getting the foreign object from Kevin Sullivan and using it on Meng (DUD). Crowd was pretty dead for this one. So what will the third show be? This week is PSP's two year fanniversary with NWA MOUNTAIN STATE WRESTLING! To honor this event we'll be watching the first episode of MSW we ever watched, #268 featuring the MOTYC between STRO AND RICKY SHANE!
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Somehow in all the confusion last week I totally missed Hulk Hogan asking Randy Savage to give up his title shot because ahahahahaaa
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Gaylord Plower posted:Somehow in all the confusion last week I totally missed Hulk Hogan asking Randy Savage to give up his title shot because ahahahahaaa This is understandable because all I remember is Hogan saying "BROTHER/DUDE" every two seconds, and the fans booing him
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MassRanTer posted:So what will the third show be? This week is PSP's two year fanniversary with NWA MOUNTAIN STATE WRESTLING! To honor this event we'll be watching the first episode of MSW we ever watched, #268 featuring the MOTYC between STRO AND RICKY SHANE! Yaaay! I won't be able to watch along but this is cool!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af9M8llS9JA&t=6236s Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere, but this whole event was worse than WCW could ever manage to be, but this part is sure... something.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkAiOUSm8iM the best gimmick & wcw at it's worst
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golden oldies pete posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkAiOUSm8iM I am almost positive he wrestled The Maestro in this match and that it ended in a No Contest when Jeff Jarrett ran in for no reason and broke a guitar over each of their heads
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I liked when he started copying parts of The Rock's gimmick. I thought it was hilarious in the dying days of WCW how blatantly they copied WWF gimmicks, giving Buzzkill the same catchphrases as Road Dogg and letting Juvi talk like The Rock. Way to make yourselves look second rate. I wonder how much of it was deliberate and how much of it was the wrestlers doing things on their own. I'm convinced that no WCW executives ever watched a single episode of Thunder.
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Tato posted:I liked when he started copying parts of The Rock's gimmick. I thought it was hilarious in the dying days of WCW how blatantly they copied WWF gimmicks, giving Buzzkill the same catchphrases as Road Dogg and letting Juvi talk like The Rock. Way to make yourselves look like second rate. I wonder how much of it was deliberate and how much of it was the wrestlers doing things on their own. I'm convinced that no WCW executives ever watched a single episode of Thunder. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCDQTkvlbdo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Buzzkill was Road Dogg's real-life brother. I think they were making fun of the Road Dogg gimmick. Same with Juvie, really, he was more like a parody than someone actually ripping off a gimmick. I'd put them both in the same category as Gillberg. Now Booker T in late 2000. That was a genuine ripoff of The Rock gimmick. He even started doing the Rock Bottom. Late era WCW actually had some pretty fun gimmicks, Norman Smiley Hardcore champ comes to mind. And Uh... Norman Smiley Hardcore champ. Zack_Gochuck fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Apr 4, 2013 |
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Buzzkill was Brad Armstrong. Russo as George Steinbrunner from Seinfeld told him to "get out of here and come back when you have a personality like your brother." So he did. Edit: God dammit, GoChuck!
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