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Dilbert As gently caress posted:I actually like the web client, I mean it's poo poo in IE<any version> but works well in any modern chrome or firefox version Counterpoint: no it doesn't. And in cases like these, bad anecdotes outweigh good anecdotes. Number19 posted:I'm a big fan of it randomly deciding to refresh the entire VM list and spend a long time "locating <vm>" which has nothing at all to do with what I was working on. Then when it's done it selects a completely different VM from the one I had selected and takes me to the Monitoring tab.
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Erwin posted:My favorite is that you can't open a console of a VM until it's powered on, and since powering on a VM causes a refresh of the whole list like you describe and makes the whole web client unusable for 10-15 seconds, there's no hope in seeing any errors that occur right at start up. Well...you should be setting a 5 second BIOS boot delay to make sure you have time to intervene. I think I use 10 now because it's a lot more annoying to have to reboot the machine again to catch the error and/or press buttons. Also, you can select a bunch of VMs and power them on easily enough but you can't do the same to power them off 
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Erwin posted:
What version are you on? 5.5 u1b? VCSA or windows?
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Jul 15, 2014 19:56
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Number19 posted:Well...you should be setting a 5 second BIOS boot delay to make sure you have time to intervene. I think I use 10 now because it's a lot more annoying to have to reboot the machine again to catch the error and/or press buttons.
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Jul 15, 2014 20:23
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Has anyone used LSI's cachecade with esxi? Will it only work inside a vm or can the entire system take advantage of it? It looks like it will be used via guest os somehow and I'd rather not get hopes up if it can't accelerate all of the guests or won't work right with VMware sitting between it and the card. There's info about VMware VSA out thee and plain windows, just not much on this type of setup.
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I'm on 5.5 right now (waiting for NetApp to add 5.5 U1 to the compatibility matrix) so maybe it's a bit better on U1? Somehow I doubt it.
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EMILY BLUNTS posted:Has anyone used LSI's cachecade with esxi? Will it only work inside a vm or can the entire system take advantage of it? It looks like it will be used via guest os somehow and I'd rather not get hopes up if it can't accelerate all of the guests or won't work right with VMware sitting between it and the card. There's info about VMware VSA out thee and plain windows, just not much on this type of setup. You are talking about Cachecade Pro 2.0? If you are, OS (in this case, VMware) doesn't have any knowledge at all of it. As far as VMWare is concerned, it's just a normal volume and the controller utilizes the SSDs to cache. It's completely transparent to anything running on it. Any workload on any OS supported by the card should benefit from it.
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Jul 15, 2014 21:19
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Erwin posted:Counterpoint: no it doesn't. And in cases like these, bad anecdotes outweigh good anecdotes.
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Jul 16, 2014 05:07
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Kachunkachunk posted:You're my favourite grump in this thread. The webclient looks awful next to the clean vsphere client. It looks like SCVMM, which feels cluttered.
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Jul 16, 2014 05:37
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eh never mind, I have my own opinions on the web client and others have theirs.
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Jul 16, 2014 05:50
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How unfortunate for you then, again, that their opinions are at least based upon facts.
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Jul 17, 2014 01:32
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The web client is a piece of poo poo, which is a shame when it could be much better and actually useable.
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Jul 17, 2014 01:43
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ihafarm posted:How unfortunate for you then, again, that their opinions are at least based upon facts.  That said yeah the web client is in all ways terrible.
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So has anyone came across what seems like a corrupt vmdk before? I have a VM that has been running on old hardware (and local storage) with an uptime of like 3 years. I am currently in the process of getting these VMs out of that environment and into our actual production environment. Storage vMotion Fails. Error stack shows "Disk clone failed. SvMotion Failed. Cause: Input/Output error" Doing a straight clone of the VM fails showing "Error caused by file: /vmfs/bla/bla.vmdk" Attempted a single backup with VeeamZip, fails with VDDK error: Unable to retrieve next block transmission. I was able to SvMotion a different VM from that datastore without issues, so I the issue is only involving that single VM. I am now scared to power off the VM, if something in there is corrupt and it needs to read that to boot up, in a little bit of trouble. We have some application level backups, but currently don't have a way to restore the appliance itself, so I am currently in a holding pattern.
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Jul 17, 2014 14:58
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For testing purposes, is it possible to install Hyper-V server 2012 in a VMware Workstation VM?
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angus725 posted:For testing purposes, is it possible to install Hyper-V server 2012 in a VMware Workstation VM? Yes. http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/22283.how-to-install-hyper-v-on-vmware-workstation-10.aspx
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Moey posted:So has anyone came across what seems like a corrupt vmdk before? Does this VM have any snaps or is it asking for anything like "needs consolidation"? ihafarm posted:How unfortunate for you then, again, that their opinions are at least based upon facts. Honestly I haven't had bad experiences with the web client post 5.1, so I am speaking from facts based on what I have seen. However I don't know what everyones browser configurations are, personally the only thing I run aside from flash and reader plugins is ABP. Dilbert As FUCK fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Jul 17, 2014 |
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Jul 17, 2014 16:09
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Dilbert As gently caress posted:Does this VM have any snaps or is it asking for anything like "needs consolidation"? Shoot, forgot to add that. No snapshots. Created a few and blew them away as well while troubleshooting. Browsing the datastore didn't show any abnormal files.
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Moey posted:Shoot, forgot to add that. No snapshots. Created a few and blew them away as well while troubleshooting. Browsing the datastore didn't show any abnormal files. Have you tried checking the metadata? Here's how: http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=2036767 Additionally you could clone the running VM to another datastore that's powered off but I'm not sure you would want to do that if you are facing potential data corruption.
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Dilbert As gently caress posted:Have you tried checking the metadata? Looks like VOMA was introduced in 5.1, the host that this thing is currently stuck on is 4.1 (hasn't been touched in years). Already tried cloning it to the desired datastore, fails.
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If ever in doubt, use Converter on the VM before changing its power state so you have a copy of its data. If it's been vMotioning fine, you're probably okay (each host it vMotions to is essentially powering it on again and transferring in memory, so it's still pretty involved from a VMFS standpoint). VMDKs themselves don't really corrupt, so it'd either be a VMFS layer metadata problem, something's up with a descriptor file, or some other non-critical component is acting up. The VM is able to read and write, so that's already 99% of the important stuff out of the way. Worst case scenario, you take the flat file and make a new descriptor and VM for it. To also note, once you start worrying about metadata corruption, you may need to begin questioning whether VMs on the datastore (or elsewhere) also suffered from invisible corruption.
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Kachunkachunk posted:If ever in doubt, use Converter on the VM before changing its power state so you have a copy of its data. I'll give the converter a shot. It is a Cisco Unity appliance, so it is CentOS from what I have heard. Can't vMotion it because it is running on local storage. There was only one other VM on that local datastore and it has already been SvMotioned off of there.
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How does VMware handle VARs reselling licenses? Right now I have the option of getting quotes through Fusionstorm, CDW, Dell and VMware themselves. I guess our IT manager was going through CDW, and I was going through Dell/Fusionstorm. I guess both he and I are looking for the pricing on the same thing (Std/Enterprise Kit licensing for vSphere) and I got a call from a frustrated Dell rep saying that since someone else had asked for pricing, VMware had locked him out of getting a better rate on his pricing. Is it generally better to go to multiple vendors for quote, or in this case is it better to stick with one vendor for everything?
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I was under the impression Dell licenses were OEM (maybe only if bundled with a server), thus your support is through Dell, not VMware. Never had to test this, but we have two sockets that purchased with a server through Dell. For the rest of our VMware stuff, it all goes through CDW.
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Question about logging into ESXi through 3rd party programs. I took over in a new job and the old admin had everything under his name. The network admin disabled the old guys access to VMWare, gave my account admin rights and I can get into the vSphere client just fine and create/delete VMs, upload to datastores, and do whatever I need to do. However, if I use the same credentials in Spiceworks to inventory the actual physical servers Spiceworks says there's a login error. Is there a different type of account I need to use to do this?
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Wicaeed posted:How does VMware handle VARs reselling licenses? I can't speak to VMware in particular, but yes, that is a thing with channel sales. It's called deal registration. If you get a quote from a VAR for a specific item, they register the quote with the vendor and get exclusivity on the deal and/or a priority discount that other VAR's are not eligible for on your particular deal. It's good for the vendor and partners, kind of sucks for you since shopping around becomes pointless. Not sure how it's not basically illegal price fixing, but it's a common practice. Not all vendors do it, but enough that you need to be aware of it. So yes, it's generally better to pick a VAR you like and stick with them.
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CDW will probably give you close to if not the best pricing aside from buying it on hardware. A VAR/MSP will give you a good price + potential local support where CDW/HW vendors won't. Yaos posted:Question about logging into ESXi through 3rd party programs. I took over in a new job and the old admin had everything under his name. The network admin disabled the old guys access to VMWare, gave my account admin rights and I can get into the vSphere client just fine and create/delete VMs, upload to datastores, and do whatever I need to do. However, if I use the same credentials in Spiceworks to inventory the actual physical servers Spiceworks says there's a login error. Is there a different type of account I need to use to do this? Check to make sure the spicework services aren't running under the old admins user account.
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Dilbert As gently caress posted:CDW will probably give you close to if not the best pricing aside from buying it on hardware.
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Moey posted:I was under the impression Dell licenses were OEM (maybe only if bundled with a server), thus your support is through Dell, not VMware. Never had to test this, but we have two sockets that purchased with a server through Dell. Dell can do it either way. They can sell it OEM so that your support goes through them, or they can just be a VMware reseller.
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Moey posted:I'll give the converter a shot. It is a Cisco Unity appliance, so it is CentOS from what I have heard. Can't vMotion it because it is running on local storage. There was only one other VM on that local datastore and it has already been SvMotioned off of there. No dice on this. The appliance is pretty heavily modified so when I SSH into there, it launches some fake CLI. Converter can't connect to it.
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Moey posted:No dice on this. The appliance is pretty heavily modified so when I SSH into there, it launches some fake CLI. Converter can't connect to it. Uhh other than shutting it down and clonezilla'ing it I'm not sure.
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Dilbert As gently caress posted:Uhh other than shutting it down and clonezilla'ing it I'm not sure. Yeah, it is the reboot after shutdown that I was scared of. Thanks to a pal, I was able to get a new installer. Saved my rear end.
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FISHMANPET posted:Dell can do it either way. They can sell it OEM so that your support goes through them, or they can just be a VMware reseller. Although one interesting slightly related fact, Dell will support you with your ESXi questions even if you bought it with Windows on it.
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Is there any reason that a 2012R2 "template" VM wouldn't be configured by vCenter properly? I deploy it, go through the customization spec wizard, and it still deploys with the default template settings -- template name, IP is still DHCP, etc. I haven't checked if the SID has been changed or not. It seems to take its Windows key correctly, however, but I can't tell is that's because I input it into the wizard or whether it's because the template used the same key. edit: Oh wait, I think it customized itself after I manually rebooted the newly deployed VM? 
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Moey posted:So has anyone came across what seems like a corrupt vmdk before? I had a corrupt VMDK. Confirmed by VMware. Had to rebuild the box - the C drive was disk 1. Strangely the D drive was not corrupted.
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Prefacing all of this by stating that I know next to nothing about virtualization, and if I should be looking elsewhere for what's basically tech support please ignore me with my complements. Anyway, at my job I have (had) access to a virtual server which has basically just been a big network share for various desktop deployment/migration things. I'm the only one that ever uses it so if my problem can't be fixed, no big deal. I was reinstalling Microsoft Deployment Toolkit on there and at the end it requested a reboot. Given that it's just mine, I rebooted the machine, waited a couple of minutes, went to remote into it, and it wasn't up. Asked my boss, he brought up the vSphere client and told me it was showing "OS not found." That was the only change that I'm aware of making. He'll be the first to admit that he doesn't know much about VMware, and he knows more than me, so we're stuck. So: VMWare - had a virtualized Windows Server 2012 box running. Uninstalled Microsoft Deployment Toolkit, did a reboot. Will no longer boot - tries to do a network boot and fails. The vmdk is still there... BIOS boot settings look right (I think)... I guess I'm just wondering if there's any stupid/quick things I should look at before having him rebuild it.
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TeMpLaR posted:I had a corrupt VMDK. Confirmed by VMware. Had to rebuild the box - the C drive was disk 1. Strangely the D drive was not corrupted. I am moving forward with a data migration tonight, the appliance level backups seem to complete fine so I think we will be good. Still would love to know what actually happened with it. Once I have functionality verified, I'll go ahead and start prodding the jacked up VM and see what happens.
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Japanese Dating Sim posted:
You can relink the VMDK to another running VM to see if the data is still there. If it is, then boot from an ISO and try the windows boot repair tools.
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I have a newbie VMWare 5.1 question. I've taken over for somebody else so I'm having to get up to speed quick on VMWare. I've been reading through Master VMware vSphere 5.5 to help me out. I have a VM running Windows 2008 in VMWare that says it is using 727.17 GB in the vSphere client. On the VM there's a C drive with 77.1 GB free out of 99.8 GB, and a D drive with 1.11 TB free out of 1.21. That's only about 130 GB of used space, where did the rest of the space go?
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Yaos posted:I have a newbie VMWare 5.1 question. I've taken over for somebody else so I'm having to get up to speed quick on VMWare. I've been reading through Master VMware vSphere 5.5 to help me out. I'm not at my lab right now, but I think you can go into the datastore browser and see the size for all the vm files. That might point you in the right direction if you notice an unusually large file or a bunch of snapshots or something.
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